Auburn/Cam Newton situation (merged)

[dobre_shunka]

Dr. David Ridpath (former NCAA compliance officer) was on the radio today and he cited some other case where a similar situation happened and the player went to another university and still played like Cam did. Dr. Ridpath basically said the same thing as above that there is no specific bylaw.

I remember in the mid 90's, three recuits took money from a Michigan State booster then signed to play at Florida. MSU got hit with a violation but nothing happend to the kids. I can't remember exactly which players were involved, but I'm pretty sure they eventually became starters at UF.

 

[The Ron Mexico]

i'll agree with you that he's now an adult altho the very early stages. u expect more out of a 30 year old or a 20-21 year old? my point is that he was probably stuck between a rock and a hard place with what his dad did

This seems a little more reasonable than that rant you originally posted. The point about his dad you should've brought up earlier, because that is an good argument.

 

[wildorange]

a black eye. GO AWAY!

 

[MyBloodRunnethOrange]

Care to elaborate?

 

[BuckheadVol1]

Assuming this is another Cam/Pearl thread?

 

[VolDad]

Assuming this is another Cam/Pearl thread?

Neither of which apply to UT Football (Forum)

 

[YankeeVol]

Care to explain.......a little vague there buddy

 

[KB5252]

Allow me to put this in context for everyone.........I love lamp.

 

[General Jack]

I do think Slive talked with the NCAA before reprimanding Pearl. I also think public perception matters, and the NCAA knows that they need to levy their own punishment against Pearl as well. The NCAA can't just have coaches lying to them during investigations. But if Slive didn't do anything, the NCAA would be forced to levy a much harsher punishment.

It's important to understand that what happened today hasn't cleared Auburn of wrongdoing, it just says that as of now, the NCAA has no reason to believe Auburn knew that Cecil solicited money from Miss St.

The ruling today does not speak to whether Auburn payed Cam. That investigation is ongoing.

Slive prefers it this way because Auburn can go to the game, make a ton of money for the SEC, then several years later the NCAA can complete their findings, declare Cam retroactively ineligible, and wipe their season off the books. The SEC gets to keep its money.

This, and the networks stay happy by not losing potential ad revenues. This is big business and its the $s that are keeping Cam on the field.

 

[volinbham]

But isn't that what a lot of people are confused by? I thought the way the rules were written, at least the SEC rules, solicitation did equal illegal, or in the case of an player instead of a john, ineligible.

I was saying that in the case of prostitution the law explicitly says solicitation is illegal.

In the SEC rule, it says nothing about solicitation. One could imagine it is implied but it likely doesn't have legal standing since it is not expressly stated.

 

[VolDad]

Allow me to put this in context for everyone.........I love lamp.

i can count to potato.

 

[volinbham]

Gabby Johnson would be proud.

YouTube - Authentic Frontier Gibberish

 

[volinbham]

True, but the punishment should be directed towards that pos Bobby Lowder. But everyone has chosen to ignore that.

I'll continue to ignore until at least one piece of evidence is presenting linking him to the situation. No one other than message board Columbo's have linked this to Lowder.

When (if) the evidence comes out I'll be right there with ya.

I hate the NCAA but I'd rather see them err on the side of the kid playing than the other way around like they do far too often.

 

[BigPapaVol]

I'll continue to ignore until at least one piece of evidence is presenting linking him to the situation. No one other than message board Columbo's have linked this to Lowder.

When (if) the evidence comes out I'll be right there with ya.

I hate the NCAA but I'd rather see them err on the side of the kid playing than the other way around like they do far too often.

the decision thus far is the correct one. I don't know how they can do anything differently, although they made this great PR move in a very Clintonian fashion. Semantics games just don't seem to be the way to do this right. Silence was actually better.

 

[cmelton7]

the guy is a kid, ya he stole a laptop and that's a big deal. hopefully he learned his lesson. the fact that he supposedly cheated 3 times its a non issue. don't sit there and act all high and mighty. if you say you've never cheated in school then your full of s**t. the fact that grown men are attacking a kid is a joke. get a life

Nope. Didn't cheat. Didn't have to. I actually went to college to get an education, but I can see that if you are only going to do the minimum to stay eligible long enough for daddy to cash in on your success (while not having any knowledge of such things); then I may have cheated. To say that Cam and his dad are not very good people, is not the same as being "high and mighty." That you assume that we all cheat makes me worry about the system though.

 

[Hardwood_fanatic]

a black eye. GO AWAY!

Sofa king retarded.
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[BigPapaVol]

the guy is a kid, ya he stole a laptop and that's a big deal. hopefully he learned his lesson. the fact that he supposedly cheated 3 times its a non issue. don't sit there and act all high and mighty. if you say you've never cheated in school then your full of s**t. the fact that grown men are attacking a kid is a joke. get a life

do what? How does your point here refute anything the OP said? Your premise that everyone does it is not only wrong, but doesn't change the garbage nature of Newton. Newtonian Physics now refers to that paid for or pilfered.

 

[lawgator1]

I'll continue to ignore until at least one piece of evidence is presenting linking him to the situation. No one other than message board Columbo's have linked this to Lowder.

When (if) the evidence comes out I'll be right there with ya.

I hate the NCAA but I'd rather see them err on the side of the kid playing than the other way around like they do far too often.

Obviously in the absence of any evidence that Cam was aware of what his father was doing then Cam cannot be held responsible.

At the same time, I don't think it is unreasonable for people to be suspicious of the claim he was unaware, especially given the character issues so far demonstrated by him.

 

[BJSforVols]

This, and the networks stay happy by not losing potential ad revenues. This is big business and its the $s that are keeping Cam on the field.

It will not have an effect on networks and ads. It would only have a potential effect on the ratings.

 

[NochNoch]

In the SEC rule, it says nothing about solicitation. One could imagine it is implied but it likely doesn't have legal standing since it is not expressly stated.

So is the loophole here as a result of the phrase "receive or agree to receive" versus the word "solicit" being in the by laws?

 

[BigPapaVol]

Obviously in the absence of any evidence that Cam was aware of what his father was doing then Cam cannot be held responsible.

At the same time, I don't think it is unreasonable for people to be suspicious of the claim he was unaware, especially given the character issues so far demonstrated by him.

I don't think there is any real debate about the kid knowing, but the burden of proof, rightly, is in the lap of the accusers.

I also find both Newtons to be some of the least credible people ever.

 

[bamawriter]

I was saying that in the case of prostitution the law explicitly says solicitation is illegal.

In the SEC rule, it says nothing about solicitation. One could imagine it is implied but it likely doesn't have legal standing since it is not expressly stated.

There isn't a single rule in the SEC or NCAA rulebooks that has any "legal standing".

 

[zjcvols]

It's not Cam Newton that anybody should be mad at.

His dad is the guy who your anger should be directed to.

Yup. Cam Newton did what 95% of 20 year old people would have done.

And also, Urban & the head of the cheating office whatever at Florida said there were no problems with Cam academically. Can we please move on from that?

 

[jsc1973]

Cam is one of about 50 quarterbacks in the FBS this season who are getting paid. The only reason we know about it is because Miss. State got mad that Cam wasn't leading their mediocre team to the BCS.

You don't think Tyler Bray is getting something for leading the Vols to bowl eligibility? Or that he didn't get something to sign?

The whole process is seedy. Cam Newton is no better or worse than anyone else whose playing the system. I hope he wins the championship and then goes off to honestly play football for money--for himself and not his crooked father.

 

[volinbham]

There isn't a single rule in the SEC or NCAA rulebooks that has any "legal standing".

I presume you understand the point I was trying to make. There is a distinction between explicitly stating prohibited behavior and not explicitly stating it.