Auburn/Cam Newton situation (merged)

[Escape Goat]

Truf! But Vol Mania 21 wants you to quit picking on all the kids at CBS. They are just kids trying to make a reasonable living. Whatever they do is ok because they are just babies. 6'6", 250 lb babies.

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[volinbham]

So is the loophole here as a result of the phrase "receive or agree to receive" versus the word "solicit" being in the by laws?

I would say so. It may also be that the intent of the rule is to deter schools from providing benefits more than preventing people from asking for benefits although both I'm sure are implied.

Think about who reads these rules - it is the member schools not the parents/recruits. In my reading it is telling the member schools that if you give anything improper to a recruit then they are barred from playing and it will be your loss.

 

[SaluteToTheHill]

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[punkcat]

Here's my problem -- the NCAA rule on this (I hear) is that if anyone asks for money in your recruiting process, whether you know about it or not, you are ineligible.


What gives?

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[volinbham]

That is awesome. lol:ost-4-1090547912:

:yes:

 

[zjcvols]

I'm sorry, but where is the article that says Cecil Newton was paid money by Auburn that everyone is alleging? Any takers? Any at all? Because there is none. That would make Cam ineligible.

 

[SaluteToTheHill]

the guy is a kid, ya he stole a laptop and that's a big deal. hopefully he learned his lesson. the fact that he supposedly cheated 3 times its a non issue. don't sit there and act all high and mighty. if you say you've never cheated in school then your full of s**t. the fact that grown men are attacking a kid is a joke. get a life

Calm down Cam your gonna be alright. You will have an NFL contract before everything is out in the open.

 

[SaluteToTheHill]

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That is what its all about. It doesn't take a very intelligent person to know something went down. No one knows exactly what except the ones involved but this ruling is about one thing. Protecting the cash cow that is college football and the SEC.

 

[bamawriter]

I'm sorry, but where is the article that says Cecil Newton was paid money by Auburn that everyone is alleging? Any takers? Any at all? Because there is none. That would make Cam ineligible.

So far, AU hasn't be directly accused of anything.

However, schools and players have been punished for the sins of third parties numerous times. This particular ruling actually defies precedent.

Slive came out and said that new bylaws need to be approved to close this loophole. But this "loophole" didn't exist until yesterday, when the NCAA opened it.

 

[SaluteToTheHill]

I'm sorry, but where is the article that says Cecil Newton was paid money by Auburn that everyone is alleging? Any takers? Any at all? Because there is none. That would make Cam ineligible.

An article? So anything not written about in an article didn't happen? This is far from over. All they done is said that for right now he is eligible. Eligible to win the SEC, eligible to go to the NC and make alot of money for the SEC. When all that money is pocketed the truth will begin to trickle out.

 

[volinbham]

Are there examples where a player is deemed ineligible at one SEC school after some type of violation with another SEC school?

 

[GAVol]

. the fact that he supposedly cheated 3 times its a non issue.

It's a nonissue except it is just another example of the Newtons lacking credibility. The assertion that Cam was completely in the dark just doesn't pass the smell test.

 

[bamawriter]

Are there examples where a player is deemed ineligible at one SEC school after some type of violation with another SEC school?

I can't really recall when it's come up. But what difference does the conference affiliation make?

 

[volinbham]

I can't really recall when it's come up. But what difference does the conference affiliation make?

The SEC rules only apply to the conference and IIRC the SEC rule in question specifically mentions a player receiving benefits from one school is barred from playing at any member school. Here the loophole is the "receiving" benefits part.

In the case of Albert Means, he was ineligible at UA but eligible at Memphis so per NCAA precedent ineligibility can viewed on a school by school basis. Since benefits were received in his case the SEC rule could have applied preventing him from going elsewhere in the SEC.

 

[zjcvols]

So far, AU hasn't be directly accused of anything.

However, schools and players have been punished for the sins of third parties numerous times. This particular ruling actually defies precedent.

Slive came out and said that new bylaws need to be approved to close this loophole. But this "loophole" didn't exist until yesterday, when the NCAA opened it.

That's my point. Right now, there is absolutely ZERO evidence of money exchanging hands.

 

[zjcvols]

An article? So anything not written about in an article didn't happen? This is far from over. All they done is said that for right now he is eligible. Eligible to win the SEC, eligible to go to the NC and make alot of money for the SEC. When all that money is pocketed the truth will begin to trickle out.

You missed my point. There has been no evidence of money being given to Cecil Newton by Auburn.

 

[volinbham]

That's my point. Right now, there is absolutely ZERO evidence of money exchanging hands.

To take that one step further - there is ZERO evidence that Auburn was even asked for money.

We have some statement at least from another contender (Oklahoma) that no such solicitation occurred.

 

[SaluteToTheHill]

You missed my point. There has been no evidence of money being given to Cecil Newton by Auburn.

No a smoking gun has not been produced "YET" but the shenanigans of Bobby Lowder and Milton McGregor have been well documented. Google is your friend.

 

[milohimself]

As it stands, the writing is on the wall. bham is looking at this the right way.

Did we all get swindled? For now, yes. I don't think anybody would contend the idea that Newton would be benched just in case if Auburn were 8-4 and looking at the Peach Bowl or whatever. At some level, Newton IS playing as a result of Auburn being in a position to play for the national title.

But technically, according to how the NCAA and SEC are interpreting the rules, Newton is fine to play as it stands.

I agree with Pat Haden, Auburn is absolutely getting preferential treatment. As I said, could because Auburn is in a position to make the SEC a lot of money and notoriety for a fifth straight national title from a fourth different team. It could be because the BCS Mafia wants to keep TCU out of the title game.

But there's nothing that can come of it. Everything is going according to the rules as the NCAA sees them right now, which is total bull**** but that's the way it is. Auburn gets to cheat their way to the national championship and there's nothing we can do.

After everybody gets their cut of the national championship money, though, I suspect we could see something come of this in the next year, and Newton gets his Heisman stripped if he wins it, and Auburn has to forfeit this season.

 

[bamawriter]

The SEC rules only apply to the conference and IIRC the SEC rule in question specifically mentions a player receiving benefits from one school is barred from playing at any member school. Here the loophole is the "receiving" benefits part.

In the case of Albert Means, he was ineligible at UA but eligible at Memphis so per NCAA precedent ineligibility can viewed on a school by school basis. Since benefits were received in his case the SEC rule could have applied preventing him from going elsewhere in the SEC.

Point taken. But let me ask this:

Memphis petitioned for reinstatement before Means ever played a down at that school.

AU knew about the Newton issue in July. What they have admitted as fact they knew about 2 months before the season started. They didn't petition for reinstatement until after 12 games had been played. Doesn't that make a totaly mockery of the NCAA process, even if he was, ultimately, in the clear?

 

[bamawriter]

To take that one step further - there is ZERO evidence that Auburn was even asked for money.

We have some statement at least from another contender (Oklahoma) that no such solicitation occurred.

Wouldn't it be just as likely that one school refused to pay for Newton's services, and that was the school that reported him?

The schools that offered, but missed out, have just as much incentive to stay mum as the school that won the bidding war.

 

[VolunteerHillbilly]

To take that one step further - there is ZERO evidence that Auburn was even asked for money.

We have some statement at least from another contender (Oklahoma) that no such solicitation occurred.

Based on all that I've read and heard I guess that right now we have the word of a MSU assistant coach concerning a phone call admission versus the word of someone who within the past 24 months pleaded guilty to theft and fled a college rather than face charges of academic fraud. Couple that with the NCAAs finding that the dad and a sports agent's stringer committed violations using Cam's name and a supposedly close father/son relationship. If that's all the evidence that there is then I think that any reasonable person would take the word of the assistant coach.

 

[volinbham]

As it stands, the writing is on the wall. bham is looking at this the right way.

Did we all get swindled? For now, yes. I don't think anybody would contend the idea that Newton would be benched just in case if Auburn were 8-4 and looking at the Peach Bowl or whatever. At some level, Newton IS playing as a result of Auburn being in a position to play for the national title.

But technically, according to how the NCAA and SEC are interpreting the rules, Newton is fine to play as it stands.

I agree with Pat Haden, Auburn is absolutely getting preferential treatment. As I said, could because Auburn is in a position to make the SEC a lot of money and notoriety for a fifth straight national title from a fourth different team. It could be because the BCS Mafia wants to keep TCU out of the title game.

But there's nothing that can come of it. Everything is going according to the rules as the NCAA sees them right now, which is total bull**** but that's the way it is. Auburn gets to cheat their way to the national championship and there's nothing we can do.

After everybody gets their cut of the national championship money, though, I suspect we could see something come of this in the next year, and Newton gets his Heisman stripped if he wins it, and Auburn has to forfeit this season.

I agree with this except for the highlighted part. We don't know if Auburn cheated yet.

 

[volinbham]

Point taken. But let me ask this:

Memphis petitioned for reinstatement before Means ever played a down at that school.

AU knew about the Newton issue in July. What they have admitted as fact they knew about 2 months before the season started. They didn't petition for reinstatement until after 12 games had been played. Doesn't that make a totaly mockery of the NCAA process, even if he was, ultimately, in the clear?

I'm quite sure the NCAA was routinely consulted on this throughout the time frame. It's not a mockery of the NCAA if the NCAA condones it.

 

[volinbham]

Wouldn't it be just as likely that one school refused to pay for Newton's services, and that was the school that reported him?

The schools that offered, but missed out, have just as much incentive to stay mum as the school that won the bidding war.

Don't know - too date those allegations have not surfaced.