Auburn did it, why not Tennessee?

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vol-un-tear said:
For doing this I consider them a joke.
I respect you KB. This is my opinion.
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My bad Tear, wasn't trying to argue. Think I missed the reason you were calling them a joke. Paying Cam Newton's daddy $180k situation? Anywho, I hope we can have the success they've seen lately as soon as possible (almost) no matter what it takes.
 
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Every year I expect us to be in the running to win a national title. Needless to say, I have been consistently let down, but I refuse to go into a season hoping for 6-6. I would rather deal with the disappointment every year than concede defeat to OU and payroll tide (or whoever it might be any given year) before we have even played the game.

I would realistically be satisfied with a 7-5 regular season. However, I will go into the season hoping to win each and every game.
 
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SeniorDrill said:
Here's something to think about and express your views on. Auburn went from a 3-9 record in 2012 to a 12-2 record and a runner-up finish to the national champions last year. Now I am in no way suggesting that will happen for us, nowhere close. However, we saw how good the offense was in the spring. We really don't know how good the defense will be until the 16 new defensive players are added to the mix but I think we can assume they will be much better also. Now you see all the predictions where the Vols will only win 5 or 6 games. Why is it a stretch to believe that if Butch gets all the pieces in place we could surprise a lot of people and win 7 or 8 games? :crossfingers:
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"There is a thing called TALENT....we don't have it" -- Danny Glover, Angels in the Outfield

We have talent, but not like Auburn did. Another recruiting class and a year of bulk, and we should be expecting similar results.

"And a whole lotta speeeeeed. That's what we need" --- Montgomery Gentry
 
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KBVol said:
My bad Tear, wasn't trying to argue. Think I missed the reason you were calling them a joke. Paying Cam Newton's daddy $180k situation? Anywho, I hope we can have the success they've seen lately as soon as possible (almost) no matter what it takes.
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:salute: 👍
 
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paradox89 said:
Every year I expect us to be in the running to win a national title. Needless to say, I have been consistently let down, but I refuse to go into a season hoping for 6-6. I would rather deal with the disappointment every year than concede defeat to OU and payroll tide (or whoever it might be any given year) before we have even played the game.

I would realistically be satisfied with a 7-5 regular season. However, I will go into the season hoping to win each and every game.
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You speak for my position. :good!: :hi:
 
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SeniorDrill said:
Here's something to think about and express your views on yada yada boom boom...
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Oh lordy, now you're on the football forum, huh? :zeitung_lesen:

--I will only add to the others' comments that the Auburn renaissance was due to a once-in-a-lifetime situation where Gus M came back after only one year, with nearly all of the players that he recruited sitting there waiting for him. If you wrote a Hollywood script with this scenario, you'd be jeered out of the room.
 
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Boca Vol said:
Fuad Reveiz was pissed after the AU game last year. He said the team quit on the postgame show.
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It can look a lot like quitting when the other team is running circles around you. Idk if I agree with Faud though. People throw around the "quit" word way too much IMO. After every blowout loss we suffer there are 100 posts on here about how we quit. Sometimes it's just cause we stink.
 
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LWSVOL said:
Which of our opponents for this fall have 45% of the roster that has never played? know you have researched the rosters of those we are playing so you should have that information.
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I haven't researched it thoroughly. I've just researched it enough to know that Jones isn't in any worse shape than some of his opponents. Particularly Mizzou. What difference there might be in experience is more than made up for with talent.

Also, do you have a list or total number of the returning players for the school with 45% not having played who have 10 or more starts?
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No. But I'm not attempting to use that as a reason or excuse for a 4 or 5 win season. You are. Your argument. You can provide the context for it.

thanks for memory jogger on recent squads. gives me a good place to review..
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The situation is far from ideal. It is a test of coaching ability. It isn't a test where 7 or 8 losses should be considered "passing".
 
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Interesting. Last year UT had experience on the OL, DL, RB, LB, and DB. Losing was excused for a lack of talent. Now an opponent has a lack of talent and a relative lack of experience... but somehow that shouldn't count as an advantage for UT.
 
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sjt18 said:
I haven't researched it thoroughly. I've just researched it enough to know that Jones isn't in any worse shape than some of his opponents. Particularly Mizzou. What difference there might be in experience is more than made up for with talent.

No. But I'm not attempting to use that as a reason or excuse for a 4 or 5 win season. You are. Your argument. You can provide the context for it.



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The situation is far from ideal. It is a test of coaching ability. It isn't a test where 7 or 8 losses should be considered "passing".
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I've never indicated Jones should get passed for losing 7 or 8 games. All I've indicated is that it is very possible based on this roster. I've said 6 or 5 losses are also possible.

I'll pass judgment on Jones coaching after the games are played not before.
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kiddiedoc said:
I can't believe some of you are comparing our current situation with that of Auburn a year ago.
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There is no comparison. Malzahn came back to a very talented team that he had personally helped build. Jones is rebuilding and reshaping a program. To expect a team this young and thin in places to make that kind of run is irrational. As Larry rightly says, a large portion of the team will be very young and inexperienced. On the flip side of that, about 70% of the roster will now be guys that Jones recruited and signed. The remainder are now guys he has had a chance to develop for two years.

Barring extraordinary injuries, I don't think expecting 6 wins is exactly setting a "high" bar.
 
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Xanusus said:
The Vols won't do what Auburn did due to one simple fact. You have to recruit and coach the lines properly. Skill position guys are easy to come by. Getting flashy Qb's and Rb's helps some but not at the expense of getting the big uglies you need.

Fulmer understood this in the late 90's. him being an offensive linemen, he knew what to do and who to recruit there.

You can pretty much run any QB out there provided the line is doing a good job. Good lines make average QB's and Rb's look like world beaters. Good D lines make average defenses look monstrous(see Nick Fairley against Oregon in 2010, yep that same Oregon team that boatraced the Vols that year).


Case in point. This is how Auburn has recruited the past few years for the offensive line you'll most likely see this year.

2010
Shon Coleman 6'6 310lbs OT - 5 star out of high school (I mention him because that's who is replacing Greg Robinson who went #2 in the NFL draft this year)

2011
Reese Dismukes 6'3 295 C - high 4 star out of high school( Rated the #1 center in the country coming out of high school. Currently on the Remington watch list for the 2014 award for the best collegiate center)

2012
Alex Kozan 6'4 300lbs OG - 4 star out of high school

2012
Avery Young 6'6 315 OT - 4 star out of high school

2012
Jordan Diamond 6'6 315 OG - 4 star out of high school

When you have an Oline that averages over 300lbs and is comprised of 4 and 5 stars, you're going places. Everyone one of these guys has several years of SEC experience. Yes they've all played meaningful snaps.

And if that weren't enough this is who is coaching them.

J.B. Grimes 4-1-13 - YouTube

They didn't lead the nation in rushing last year for nothing even when EVERYONE knew a run play was coming. Even when teams loaded the box with 9 men they still got their 4-5 yards.They weren't at the top in the SEC in fewest sacks allowed during the regular season for nothing.

It ain't because they are lucky. No, Auburn is good. Auburn has led the SEC in offensive line recruiting for several years now(sorta like TN did in the late 90's under Fulmer). That's a statistic most people don't know as we tend to pay attention to only the 5 star stud RB's and QB's and LB's and such. It's also why during the past 10 years Auburn has more SEC championships than anyone. Yep, more than Bama, LSU, Florida, and Georgia.

Now, on the other hand this is how the Vols are doing particularly on that Oline.

2011
Marcus Jackson 6'2 304 OG - 4 star out of high school. This is what the Vols need more of.

2011
Mack Crowder 6'2 286 C - 3 star out of high school.

2011
Kyler Kerbyson 6'4 304 OG - 3 star out of high school.

2013
Coleman Thomas 6'6 311 OT - 3 star out of high school and a FRESHMAN with zero SEC experience.

2013
Dontarius Blair 6-8 313 OT - 4 star JUCO. This is fine too especially when trying to plug holes in past poor recruiting.

Now compare that to what Auburn is putting out there. No comparison.

Put the kool-aid down folks.
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:lolabove: Fail Post, Every one of our starting OLine for the last 3 years out-ranked these Auburn guys.
 
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volfan10735 said:
:lolabove: Fail Post, Every one of our starting OLine for the last 3 years out-ranked these Auburn guys.
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Yes but don't you know... the star ratings don't work for UT commits, Dooley magically took their talent away, yada, yada, yada...

Truth is even if this guy is right, OL ratings by the recruiting sites is the least accurate. OL's are just difficult to predict.
 
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VFLCodyGBO said:
Not to mention the high level of recruiting maintained by Gene before he got canned, they has solid recruiting classes in the years before Gus took over, were just now seeing recruiting success and a talented roster will take time, plus Gus had the gimmick offense of the decade don't look for him to have that much success for a while as teams are already preparing for him.
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This. Malzahn has proven to be the new evil genius of CFB. That O borders on cheating.....something AU is good at.
 
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sjt18 said:
Yes but don't you know... the star ratings don't work for UT commits, Dooley magically took their talent away, yada, yada, yada...

Truth is even if this guy is right, OL ratings by the recruiting sites is the least accurate. OL's are just difficult to predict.
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We would have been better off to line up and run right at people last season. It might have gotten us another win. Even though the linemen were talented, they weren't recruited to play Butch's offense.
 
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sjt18 said:
Interesting. Last year UT had experience on the OL, DL, RB, LB, and DB. Losing was excused for a lack of talent. Now an opponent has a lack of talent and a relative lack of experience... but somehow that shouldn't count as an advantage for UT.
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We don't know if an opponent lacks talent or not. We have not seen many of the replacements. I know Matty Mauck destroyed us last season and he is back.
 
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sjt18 said:
There is no comparison. Malzahn came back to a very talented team that he had personally helped build. Jones is rebuilding and reshaping a program. To expect a team this young and thin in places to make that kind of run is irrational. As Larry rightly says, a large portion of the team will be very young and inexperienced. On the flip side of that, about 70% of the roster will now be guys that Jones recruited and signed. The remainder are now guys he has had a chance to develop for two years.

Barring extraordinary injuries, I don't think expecting 6 wins is exactly setting a "high" bar.
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I have no idea if your numbers are right, but it doesn't matter. If 70 percent of the guys on the roster are guys recruited by Jones, then 70 percent of the roster are freshmen and sophomores (minus the handful of JUCO players recruited).
 
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omghulkhands said:
I have no idea if your numbers are right, but it doesn't matter. If 70 percent of the guys on the roster are guys recruited by Jones, then 70 percent of the roster are freshmen and sophomores (minus the handful of JUCO players recruited).
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But they were sprinkled by coach jones magic dust!
 
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TIFWIW but talking to family and friends in Oklahoma and they are scared to death about the game with UT..To hear them tell it, they would rather play Auburn than UT..Most of them are under the impression UT is on the brink of being nationally relevant again and believe the Vols are gonna pull off a BIG upset somewhere on the schedule for 2014..They are worried it might just be the Sooners..

I believe UT will definitely reach the 6 win mark and could quite possibly win 8 or 9..If 8 or 9 is indeed the regular season win total, I would consider that a much more remarkable accomplishment than Auburn's turnaround last season..JMHO
 
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