Awful Decision From McCain Camp

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TennNC said:
I don't know of any racists that Obama has defended or continues to defend. I do know that he's renounced racist comments from Wright and Pfleger.
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His original commentary about Wright was that he was like a crazy uncle that occasionally says the wrong thing. Then he denounced his comments but said they were equivalent to his grandmother's comments. Then he strongly denounced his comments. Then he quit the church.

It sure looks like he stood by Wright until it was too politically hot to do so any longer.
 
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The guy said he leans conservative, but then spouts off all that garbage, If you're a lib just admit it.
 
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volsforever27 said:
How long did it take him to renounce Wright?
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How long did it take McCain to support a holiday honoring MLK? Does that mean we should assume McCain's apology on MLK Day this year in Memphis was disingenuous at best? (question for BPV as well).

If this is the standard we're holding these guys to, let's be fair to both of them.
 
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volsforever27 said:
The guy said he leans conservative, but then spouts off all that garbage, If you're a lib just admit it.
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I'd respect his position if he understood it. I wouldn't agree, but can at least appreciate that we view the world differently.

Thinking about it, I bet dude has never stroked a check to Uncle Sugar.
 
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volinbham said:
It sure looks like he stood by Wright until it was too politically hot to do so any longer.
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Which is not the first time a politician running for president this year has done the exact same thing (re: McCain and Hagee, Parsley).
 
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TennNC said:
How long did it take McCain to support a holiday honoring MLK? Does that mean we should assume McCain's apology on MLK Day this year in Memphis was disingenuous at best? (question for BPV as well).

If this is the standard we're holding these guys to, let's be fair to both of them.
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McCain simply went along with his constituents. It was gutless, but it was what he did.
 
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TennNC said:
How long did it take McCain to support a holiday honoring MLK? Does that mean we should assume McCain's apology on MLK Day this year in Memphis was disingenuous at best? (question for BPV as well).

If this is the standard we're holding these guys to, let's be fair to both of them.
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Seems a bit apples and oranges. Being against a holiday doesn't equal being against it for racial reasons.

As for his apology - that was all about politics.

You brought up Trent Lott earlier. He paid a much heavier price for much less racial comments than Wright made. Dems were calling for his head and they got. If we are to call a racist a racist, it would be nice to see some even-handedness.
 
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TennNC said:
How long did it take McCain to support a holiday honoring MLK? Does that mean we should assume McCain's apology on MLK Day this year in Memphis was disingenuous at best? (question for BPV as well).

If this is the standard we're holding these guys to, let's be fair to both of them.
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And he got bashed and will do so again.. look I dpn't like McCain, but if that's all Obama has got it's going to be a long few months for them. Obama wemt there 20 years, take it with Michelle's comments and William Ayers, that's not really equal.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
I'd respect his position if he understood it. I wouldn't agree, but can at least appreciate that we view the world differently.

Thinking about it, I bet dude has never stroked a check to Uncle Sugar.
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What we need is for someone not blocked to come in here and quote all our comments about being blocked. That way he can see them.
 
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TennNC said:
How long did it take McCain to support a holiday honoring MLK? Does that mean we should assume McCain's apology on MLK Day this year in Memphis was disingenuous at best? (question for BPV as well).

If this is the standard we're holding these guys to, let's be fair to both of them.
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No, what it shows is that Obama is foremost a politician, and will say and do anything to retain or gain power. We all know the game, but McCain is not going around saying I'm different, I'm above Washington politics. I notice he says hes ready for all the Rep dirty tricks, but yet has said nothing about the 40 million collected by Soros and Brock to run a smear campain against McCain. Obama doesnt seem to roll around in the mud very much himself, but it seems alot of his inner circle dwell there.
 
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volinbham said:
Seems a bit apples and oranges. Being against a holiday doesn't equal being against it for racial reasons.

As for his apology - that was all about politics.

You brought up Trent Lott earlier. He paid a much heavier price for much less racial comments than Wright made. Dems were calling for his head and they got. If we are to call a racist a racist, it would be nice to see some even-handedness.
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Who should we be calling a racist? Obama?

Nope - it's apples to apples. In fact, McCain stood by HIS OWN LEGISLATIVE DECISION until it was too hot politically to do so anymore. Obama didn't publicly renounce his pastor (not a legislative decision) until it was too hot politically.

Now, Lott to Wright is apples to oranges. Trent Lott was a public official. Rev. Wright was a preacher. Had Obama made the comments or said he supported the comments, then I'd feel different.
 
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TennNC said:
Which is not the first time a politician running for president this year has done the exact same thing (re: McCain and Hagee, Parsley).
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This was in response to the claim that you haven't seen Obama defend a racist. He certainly defended him for a while until it was no longer to his advantage.

I don't see Obama as racist - he's an opportunist like any politician. Defending Wright was key to his support from one constituency but killing him with another.

Also to the larger point, there have been indicators that attacks against Obama will be met with charges of racism - ask Geraldine.
 
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TennNC said:
Who should we be calling a racist? Obama?

Nope - it's apples to apples. In fact, McCain stood by HIS OWN LEGISLATIVE DECISION until it was too hot politically to do so anymore. Obama didn't publicly renounce his pastor (not a legislative decision) until it was too hot politically.

Now, Lott to Wright is apples to oranges. Trent Lott was a public official. Rev. Wright was a preacher. Had Obama made the comments or said he supported the comments, then I'd feel different.
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I like ostrich evasion techniques.
 
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iceman9 said:
Obama doesnt seem to roll around in the mud very himself, but it seems alot of his inner circle dwell there.
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Well, this is clearly the strategy at play against Obama. We'll see whether or not it will work during the next 5 months.
 
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the speech that Obama gave in Minnesota tonight is nothing but Socialism/Marxism.

take from this group and give to that group.

From each according to his means, to each according to his needs. People who don't realize that are either stupid or ignorant.
 
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TennNC said:
Well, this is clearly the strategy at play against Obama. We'll see whether or not it will work during the next 5 months.
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the socialist, empty suit, wants to have tea with terrorists might be in play as well.
 
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TennNC said:
Who should we be calling a racist? Obama?

Nope - it's apples to apples. In fact, McCain stood by HIS OWN LEGISLATIVE DECISION until it was too hot politically to do so anymore. Obama didn't publicly renounce his pastor (not a legislative decision) until it was too hot politically.

Now, Lott to Wright is apples to oranges. Trent Lott was a public official. Rev. Wright was a preacher. Had Obama made the comments or said he supported the comments, then I'd feel different.
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I haven't claimed Obama to be racist whatsoever.

McCain's legislative decision was not race-based - the fact that it involved a black man doesn't mean McCain decided based on race then backtracked. His comments were designed to gain favor with black voters.

Obama defended the comments of a long-time mentor that were indeed racist. He finally denounced them to gain favor with white voters.

They both made political moves but only one defended a racist in this scenario until it was politically damaging.

The Trent Lott commentary is an aside about situational ethics when it comes to racism. The level of attacks from Dems on Lott dwarfed those from Dems on Wright eventhough Wright's comments were significantly more egregious. Here I'm only calling for even treatment by Democrats in general when it comes to racial comments.
 
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volinbham said:
This was in response to the claim that you haven't seen Obama defend a racist. He certainly defended him for a while until it was no longer to his advantage.

I don't see Obama as racist - he's an opportunist like any politician. Defending Wright was key to his support from one constituency but killing him with another.

Also to the larger point, there have been indicators that attacks against Obama will be met with charges of racism - ask Geraldine.
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Have you read Obama's speech on race? He may have defended Wright and the many other good things he has done, but not once did he defend any racist remarks.

As for what Geraldine said, if you don't think this is racist, then we have different interpretations of the term:

"If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position. And if he was a woman (of any color) he would not be in this position. He happens to be very lucky to be who he is. And the country is caught up in the concept".
 
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