Bad Beats, Monster laydowns...Poker discussion

#26
#26
I love having a regular game, but I have to say I leave pissed alot. Last week one of my friends was on fire. He was catching everything. The one hand I thougt for sure I had him, I had pocket 3's. The flop was K,J,3. I go all in, had about $25 left. He calls and I am thinking YES because he had about $150 in front of him and I figured no way he rolls all night. Needless to say, he flips over pocket K's. One card in the deck that would make me a winner and it ain't coming...loser.
 
#27
#27
Re: the legality of online poker.

From what I read -- and I do not profess to know the answer -- the U.S. Government takes the position that U.S. players playing online is illegal. The poker sites take the position that the law that was passed a couple years ago only made it illegal for banks or certain transactional sites to participate in funding offshore poker accounts.

In other words, the government says it is illegal for you to play online, while the online sites say it is just illegal for you to deposit or withdraw using U.S. banks or other institutions.

I read these blogs online about it from time to time and its pretty scary/hilarious how much the poker playing community tries to outwit the industry hold on this. For awhile, they were using certain credit card gift cards, but then Visa and Matsercard shut them down. Thren, they all started using something called epassporte and lately people are complaining about that.

IMO, given the uncertainty out there about playing online but the ready (and increasingly so) availability of live games in regulated and secure places, you are better off playing in a brick and mortar casino or cardroom. Why risk either breaking the law on it or, perhaps more likely it seems, getting cheated by a site that has some suspicious multi-user accounts going?
 
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kev20 said:
Here in CO there are no NL games in the casinos. $5 max bet so everyone pretty much stays around until the end and catches cards like nobody's business. Won't play in the casinos here unless it is tourney action. Can't get people off their hands otherwise, even if it is 72o.
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That's the thing. Even in a multitable tournament in these low stakes environments, the buy-in has to be enough to make people think twice about playing a gut shot str8 draw for their tournament lives. I find that $100 is the magic number. If the buy-in is $65, they don't care and its bingo poker. If the buy-in is $125, people slow down a little and rags get mucked much more quickly.
 
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lawgator1 said:
That's the thing. Even in a multitable tournament in these low stakes environments, the buy-in has to be enough to make people think twice about playing a gut shot str8 draw for their tournament lives. I find that $100 is the magic number. If the buy-in is $65, they don't care and its bingo poker. If the buy-in is $125, people slow down a little and rags get mucked much more quickly.
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Good point.
 
#31
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lawgator1 said:
That's the thing. Even in a multitable tournament in these low stakes environments, the buy-in has to be enough to make people think twice about playing a gut shot str8 draw for their tournament lives. I find that $100 is the magic number. If the buy-in is $65, they don't care and its bingo poker. If the buy-in is $125, people slow down a little and rags get mucked much more quickly.
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Was in a NL tourney once here and they had some ridiculous rule that you couldn't go all-in on the first hand. Guess what my pocket cards were on the first hand. Another time playing in a live cash game me and another guy at the table both had pocket AA. Crazy. Haven't seen it since...except online, of course.
 
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kev20 said:
Often wonder about this. Sometimes it does seem fishy when some people make the calls they make.
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These guys that post a lot on this one particular blog I read claim that they have seen college dorm rooms with 8-10 computers and monitors in it and they are all playing in the same sit-and-go.

If they are tied to different email accounts, how would the site know? And, more importantly, if they are happy to collude and play those games and the site gets its rake, why would the site even bother to check for it?
 
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#34
rpvol said:
I love having a regular game, but I have to say I leave pissed alot. Last week one of my friends was on fire. He was catching everything. The one hand I thougt for sure I had him, I had pocket 3's. The flop was K,J,3. I go all in, had about $25 left. He calls and I am thinking YES because he had about $150 in front of him and I figured no way he rolls all night. Needless to say, he flips over pocket K's. One card in the deck that would make me a winner and it ain't coming...loser.
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One night a buddy of mine had pocket QQ for the first 3 hands in a row. Unbelieveable.
 
#35
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lawgator1 said:
These guys that post a lot on this one particular blog I read claim that they have seen college dorm rooms with 8-10 computers and monitors in it and they are all playing in the same sit-and-go.

If they are tied to different email accounts, how would the site know? And, more importantly, if they are happy to collude and play those games and the site gets its rake, why would the site even bother to check for it?
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Sometimes I think that they can see my cards somehow.
 
#37
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kev20 said:
Sometimes I think that they can see my cards somehow.
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They don't necessarily need to see yours. If they have a player with pocket Q's and there are two tens on the board and they can't decide what to do when you bet big, the fact that they can find out from another player that he folded a ten in the same hand preflop is going to be a significant piece of information to him in deciding whether to call you on the river.
 
#39
#39
lawgator1 said:
IMO, given the uncertainty out there about playing online but the ready (and increasingly so) availability of live games in regulated and secure places, you are better off playing in a brick and mortar casino or cardroom. Why risk either breaking the law on it or, perhaps more likely it seems, getting cheated by a site that has some suspicious multi-user accounts going?
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There are advantages to playing on-line, and I will say that so long as it is a big-name site, I have no fear of cheating from the house side of it. There is the possibility of collusion between players (or one player on multiple accounts,) but I have 1) only suspected collusion once in countless hours of online play and 2) suspected collusion several times in b&m casinos.

The legal aspects are questionable, thanks in large part to Tennessee's own Bill Frist, but I will say again that I have never heard of a single case of a player being targeted for playing, only host sites or payment processors. In my opinion, the best answer would be to legalize it and police it so that players could be assured the game is as "regulated and secure" as the live game at the riverboat.

Aside from the convenience of playing from anywhere with internet access, online play offers a variety of games, simultaneous mutligame play, 24/365 action, and a smaller rake than its b&m cousin.
 
#40
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lawgator1 said:
If they are tied to different email accounts, how would the site know? And, more importantly, if they are happy to collude and play those games and the site gets its rake, why would the site even bother to check for it?
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They care because the worst thing that can happen to a site is to get a reputation as not having an honest game. I am confident that the sites do all they can to curb collusion, although I also know that it cannot be eliminated.

There are several "rating" services that also check for things such as randomness of cards, anti-collusion proceedures, payment policies, etc. I believe most sites check IP addresses and look for patterns in play to try to detect collusion.
 
#43
#43
Yea I gave up on the online deal. Just too fishy IMO. Seems like there were bad beats all the time.
 
#44
#44
It is fun to list a hand you have had and discuss it but do not say how the hand ended. Let people tell you what they would have done different.
 
#45
#45
Fine Vol said:
I prefer to play live. Online seems hollow.
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I play in a very nice live game on Wednesday nights, although I haven't been as much lately. I also like playing online, though(that's fallen off a bit too; must be all of the wedding planning:p) It isn't a zero sum game for me; there are many times where I can play online or not at all, and as I said before, there are other advantages to online play.
 
#46
#46
Fine Vol said:
I like connectors if there will be many people in a hand but an under the gun raise by you I would fold KQ suited.
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Depends on the size of the raise. If I can get a decent odds, I'd call with KQ suited to see the flop. Now if it's a multiple pot sized raise I'd let him take the blinds.
 
#47
#47
Bad beats in poker are like Federal Taxes - you can't avoid them.
 
#48
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cotton said:
I play in a very nice live game on Wednesday nights, although I haven't been as much lately. I also like playing online, though(that's fallen off a bit too; must be all of the wedding planning:p) It isn't a zero sum game for me; there are many times where I can play online or not at all, and as I said before, there are other advantages to online play.
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Online helped me by playing so many hands compared to the speed of live. You just get so much more practice in.
 
#49
#49
Fine Vol said:
I prefer to play live. Online seems hollow.
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cotton said:
I play in a very nice live game on Wednesday nights, although I haven't been as much lately. I also like playing online, though(that's fallen off a bit too; must be all of the wedding planning:p) It isn't a zero sum game for me; there are many times where I can play online or not at all, and as I said before, there are other advantages to online play.
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As hokey as it sounds, and while I am always hopeful I will end up on the plus side, for me the game is still very much social. I enjoy strategizing and discussing hands and teasing people and being teased. Just don't take it too seriously and the low stakes cash games are usually just great entertainment.
 
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#50
UT IE 95 said:
Depends on the size of the raise. If I can get a decent odds, I'd call with KQ suited to see the flop. Now if it's a multiple pot sized raise I'd let him take the blinds.
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Depends if it will be heads up. If I am heads up with a UTG preflop raise I hate QK.
 
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