Bad Beats, Monster laydowns...Poker discussion

#76
#76
lawgator1 said:
The guy to my left, the original raiser, goes all in for another hundred. Everyone folds around to me. I struggled with it and folded and he showed me AK. I know I was ahead and all and he was drawing awfully thin, but I just did not have a good feeling about it. I'll never know what would have come, but as of right now it was a bad lay down.
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Even if an Ace came, it was still a bad laydown. DUCY?
 
#79
#79
Fine Vol said:
KK is an auto call preflop to me. It is really rare I could lay those down.
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It is easier to lay them down in a cash game than a tournament. In that particular hand, I only had invested $25. To call, I have to invest another $100 into a pot of $160. Whereas in a tournament you have to maximize your big hands and can't be patient.
 
#80
#80
lawgator1 said:
It is easier to lay them down in a cash game than a tournament. In that particular hand, I only had invested $25. To call, I have to invest another $100 into a pot of $160. Whereas in a tournament you have to maximize your big hands and can't be patient.
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True you know the game very well but I would have played KK but I am sure there are many hands I would play you would play different also.
 
#81
#81
I hade a argument with a friend who is a decent player.

He said he rather play a table of Pros. than play a table of bad players if it was the finale table. He said because bad players make bad calls and suck out more. I will stick with the bad players to win. thoughts?
 
#82
#82
Fine Vol said:
I hade a argument with a friend who is a decent player.

He said he rather play a table of Pros. than play a table of bad players if it was the finale table. He said because bad players make bad calls and suck out more. I will stick with the bad players to win. thoughts?
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In a cash game, I'll take bad players all day long. In a tournament, I prfer playing against people that know what they are doing and just try to minimize my own mistakes.
 
#83
#83
It would appear my other thread got deleted. Don't see why. We was just havin' some fun.
 
#87
#87
kev20 said:
Well, you were ahead, so it was probably a good laydown. I'm sure he would have spiked an A.
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kiddiedoc said:
Correct, if by "sure," you mean that his chance of winning is less than 1 in 3. Terrible laydown.
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kev20 said:
Obviously you missed the cynicism in that remark.
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Being ahead is not the only factor, especially in a cash game. You have to consider what you have invested and be willing to get away from hands where the cost to secure a small investment is simply too high. In a tournament game, not so because the blinds escalate and so you have to take your chances a bit more, as the saying goes.

I was invested $25 into the pot and had to call another hundred to see if I could hold up. I also had in the back of my mind one of Daniel Negraneau's rules, which is that if there is a raise, a reraise, and an all-in, someone has aces.

That is exaclty the scenario I was in.
 
#88
#88
lawgator1 said:
I was invested $25 into the pot and had to call another hundred to see if I could hold up. I also had in the back of my mind one of Daniel Negraneau's rules, which is that if there is a raise, a reraise, and an all-in, someone has aces.

That is exaclty the scenario I was in.
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I see your point. Obviously, it depends on who you are playing with, as well. All too frequently, in- or under-experienced players tend to overvalue certain hands (two face cards, connectors, low pairs). They don't call AK "Anna Kournikova" for nothing!

However, if you are playing with tight players, avoiding a big pot commitment after more than one raise with anything less than the Nuts isn't a bad idea.
 
#89
#89
A hand last night.

I had AJo. vilan has position

I raise 3x blinds and get heads up.
FLOP A, 10, 6, rainbow

I bet 3/4 pot
Vilan calls
Turn 8
I bet all in
Villian calls and flips 6Q
River is 6
 
#90
#90
Fine Vol said:
A hand last night.

I had AJo. vilan has position

I raise 3x blinds and get heads up.
FLOP A, 10, 6, rainbow

I bet 3/4 pot
Vilan calls
Turn 8
I bet all in
Villian calls and flips 6Q
River is 6
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Villain will lose a lot of money playing poker.
 
#92
#92
Fine Vol said:
A hand last night.

I had AJo. vilan has position

I raise 3x blinds and get heads up.
FLOP A, 10, 6, rainbow

I bet 3/4 pot
Vilan calls
Turn 8
I bet all in
Villian calls and flips 6Q
River is 6
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Applying the math from before ...

Five outer (the three remaining Q's and the two remaining 6's). At 2 percent each on the last card, he's ten percent to win the hand.

If calling your all in was in the range of 10 percent of the pot, it wasn't a bad call.

My first suspicion, however, is that it was horrific.



kiddiedoc said:
Villain will lose a lot of money playing poker.
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My other suspicion is that he already has.
 
#93
#93
The girlfriend won one last night she just plays staight up non tricky and it usualy pays off.
 
#94
#94
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#95
#95
Fine Vol said:
A hand last night.

I had AJo. vilan has position

I raise 3x blinds and get heads up.
FLOP A, 10, 6, rainbow

I bet 3/4 pot
Vilan calls
Turn 8
I bet all in
Villian calls and flips 6Q
River is 6
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What was your stack size and villain's stack size? This matters for your play on the turn.
 
#97
#97
This is why I only play poker for fun, and not with a ton of money.

PokerStars Game #17359238724: Tournament #87045158, Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (150/300) - 2008/05/11 - 16:24:09 (ET)
Table '87045158 198' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: dr zoid (17005 in chips)
Seat 2: philb287 (5390 in chips)
Seat 3: dropps (4596 in chips)
Seat 4: peppere19 (9865 in chips)
Seat 5: masAKr (3175 in chips)
Seat 6: ADV83 (3490 in chips)
Seat 7: MrSunshine58 (18548 in chips)
Seat 8: Dougikins (9899 in chips)
Seat 9: BATICCO (1950 in chips)
dr zoid: posts the ante 25
philb287: posts the ante 25
dropps: posts the ante 25
peppere19: posts the ante 25
masAKr: posts the ante 25
ADV83: posts the ante 25
MrSunshine58: posts the ante 25
Dougikins: posts the ante 25
BATICCO: posts the ante 25
dropps: posts small blind 150
peppere19: posts big blind 300
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Dougikins [Kc Qd]
masAKr: folds
ADV83: folds
MrSunshine58: folds
Dougikins: raises 600 to 900
BATICCO: folds
dr zoid: calls 900
philb287: folds
dropps: folds
peppere19: calls 600
*** FLOP *** [5c Kd 8h]
peppere19: checks
Dougikins: bets 2200
dr zoid: calls 2200
peppere19: folds
*** TURN *** [5c Kd 8h] [Qh]
Dougikins: checks
dr zoid: bets 3000
Dougikins: raises 3774 to 6774 and is all-in
dr zoid: calls 3774
*** RIVER *** [5c Kd 8h Qh] [Ah]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Dougikins: shows [Kc Qd] (two pair, Kings and Queens)
dr zoid: shows [Kh Ad] (two pair, Aces and Kings)
Dougikins said, "holy ****"
dr zoid collected 21023 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 21023 | Rake 0
Board [5c Kd 8h Qh Ah]
Seat 1: dr zoid showed [Kh Ad] and won (21023) with two pair, Aces and Kings
Seat 2: philb287 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: dropps (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: peppere19 (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 5: masAKr folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: ADV83 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: MrSunshine58 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Dougikins showed [Kc Qd] and lost with two pair, Kings and Queens
Seat 9: BATICCO folded before Flop (didn't bet)
 
#98
#98
I was playing the 1-3 NL table at Sams Town saturday night. I lost about 300 in back to back hands in which I had pocket K's to a suckout straight and a suckout flush.

I was out of position both times, but showed power to push everyone out and rake the blinds. Worst back to back hands I've had at the casino tables ever.
 
#100
#100
VolinArizona said:
This is why I only play poker for fun, and not with a ton of money.

PokerStars Game #17359238724: Tournament #87045158, Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (150/300) - 2008/05/11 - 16:24:09 (ET)
Table '87045158 198' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: dr zoid (17005 in chips)
Seat 2: philb287 (5390 in chips)
Seat 3: dropps (4596 in chips)
Seat 4: peppere19 (9865 in chips)
Seat 5: masAKr (3175 in chips)
Seat 6: ADV83 (3490 in chips)
Seat 7: MrSunshine58 (18548 in chips)
Seat 8: Dougikins (9899 in chips)
Seat 9: BATICCO (1950 in chips)
dr zoid: posts the ante 25
philb287: posts the ante 25
dropps: posts the ante 25
peppere19: posts the ante 25
masAKr: posts the ante 25
ADV83: posts the ante 25
MrSunshine58: posts the ante 25
Dougikins: posts the ante 25
BATICCO: posts the ante 25
dropps: posts small blind 150
peppere19: posts big blind 300
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Dougikins [Kc Qd]
masAKr: folds
ADV83: folds
MrSunshine58: folds
Dougikins: raises 600 to 900
BATICCO: folds
dr zoid: calls 900
philb287: folds
dropps: folds
peppere19: calls 600
*** FLOP *** [5c Kd 8h]
peppere19: checks
Dougikins: bets 2200
dr zoid: calls 2200
peppere19: folds
*** TURN *** [5c Kd 8h] [Qh]
Dougikins: checks
dr zoid: bets 3000
Dougikins: raises 3774 to 6774 and is all-in
dr zoid: calls 3774
*** RIVER *** [5c Kd 8h Qh] [Ah]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Dougikins: shows [Kc Qd] (two pair, Kings and Queens)
dr zoid: shows [Kh Ad] (two pair, Aces and Kings)
Dougikins said, "holy ****"
dr zoid collected 21023 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 21023 | Rake 0
Board [5c Kd 8h Qh Ah]
Seat 1: dr zoid showed [Kh Ad] and won (21023) with two pair, Aces and Kings
Seat 2: philb287 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: dropps (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: peppere19 (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 5: masAKr folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: ADV83 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: MrSunshine58 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Dougikins showed [Kc Qd] and lost with two pair, Kings and Queens
Seat 9: BATICCO folded before Flop (didn't bet)
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iIf I had AK I would have raised you all in after you bet the flop.
 
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