Baltimore Unrest

[FLVOL_79]

I bet the rioters still don't know why they can't have nice things in their neighborhoods.

 

[agent|orange]

Didn't two White House official attend Gray's funeral? Who picked up the tab? Didn't he send Holder to Ferguson to stir the pot? This among his normal everyday racist actions.

Yes, he had a criminal record.

Yes, he was a thug with little actual value to society.

Those points are aside, to be honest.

The problem lies in the fact that the US public has been made aware that jack-booted police inflicted 3 fractured vertebrae and a crushed voice box on Gay while he was in their custody.

I don't care what he did. The police are not Judge, Jury or Executioner. They are there to bring criminals into state control to stand trial for crimes.

They are not to be public executioners.

I believe in Due Process, I guess that makes me a whatever the hot ticket term is for "people who believe in the Constitution but not an authoritarian government" wording that Fox News is teaching everyone that is a good patriot.

What actually happened was likely what is called a "nickel ride". Effectively, the police took a guy that was handcuffed and already pretty roughed up and threw him in the back of a police van without any padding and took corners at high speed causing the victim (yes, victim) to slide across the floor and get additional damage done to him.

Battered cargo: The costs of the police 'nickel ride' In city patrol wagons, suspects slam into walls and slide across the floor. Paying the price are the injured and the taxpayers - not the police. - philly-archives

And, yet, we'll see folks on here defending those police. What those police did is far worse than Gray selling pot on the streets.

 

[jp1]

Yes, he had a criminal record.

Yes, he was a thug with little actual value to society.

Those points are aside, to be honest.

The problem lies in the fact that the US public has been made aware that jack-booted police inflicted 3 fractured vertebrae and a crushed voice box on Gay while he was in their custody.

I don't care what he did. The police are not Judge, Jury or Executioner. They are there to bring criminals into state control to stand trial for crimes.

They are not to be public executioners.

I believe in Due Process, I guess that makes me a whatever the hot ticket term is for "people who believe in the Constitution but not an authoritarian government" wording that Fox News is teaching everyone that is a good patriot.

What actually happened was likely what is called a "nickel ride". Effectively, the police took a guy that was handcuffed and already pretty roughed up and threw him in the back of a police van without any padding and took corners at high speed causing the victim (yes, victim) to slide across the floor and get additional damage done to him.

Battered cargo: The costs of the police 'nickel ride' In city patrol wagons, suspects slam into walls and slide across the floor. Paying the price are the injured and the taxpayers - not the police. - philly-archives

And, yet, we'll see folks on here defending those police. What those police did is far worse than Gray selling pot on the streets.

Not that it changes your main point but he didn't suffer his injuries from a "nickel ride" nor was he just selling marijuana.

 

[LouderVol]

Yes, he had a criminal record.

Yes, he was a thug with little actual value to society.

Those points are aside, to be honest.

The problem lies in the fact that the US public has been made aware that jack-booted police inflicted 3 fractured vertebrae and a crushed voice box on Gay while he was in their custody.

I don't care what he did. The police are not Judge, Jury or Executioner. They are there to bring criminals into state control to stand trial for crimes.

They are not to be public executioners.

I believe in Due Process, I guess that makes me a whatever the hot ticket term is for "people who believe in the Constitution but not an authoritarian government" wording that Fox News is teaching everyone that is a good patriot.

What actually happened was likely what is called a "nickel ride". Effectively, the police took a guy that was handcuffed and already pretty roughed up and threw him in the back of a police van without any padding and took corners at high speed causing the victim (yes, victim) to slide across the floor and get additional damage done to him.

Battered cargo: The costs of the police 'nickel ride' In city patrol wagons, suspects slam into walls and slide across the floor. Paying the price are the injured and the taxpayers - not the police. - philly-archives

And, yet, we'll see folks on here defending those police. What those police did is far worse than Gray selling pot on the streets.

i agree with pretty everything you said here. except that he had two charges that went beyond drugs that people like to ignore. If we literally dropped the drug charges he would still have an Assault charge and a B&E (IIRC) charge. which would constitute a thug. lets not pretend that drugs were his only crime.

 

[n_huffhines]

i agree with pretty everything you said here. except that he had two charges that went beyond drugs that people like to ignore. If we literally dropped the drug charges he would still have an Assault charge and a B&E (IIRC) charge. which would constitute a thug. lets not pretend that drugs were his only crime.

sounds like a student athlete to me

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

There needs to be more moms like that in Baltimore.

She certainly wasn't waiting on the "wait until I get you home" stuff that parents use.

More than likely, she choose for the govt to play daddy instead of the biological father. Which would explain why he wasn't out there in the mob and mayhem instead of her.

Hoodrats and welfare queens chickens are just beginning to come home to roost.

 

[agent|orange]

Not that it changes your main point but he didn't suffer his injuries from a "nickel ride" nor was he just selling marijuana.

Some of you guys need to read more than just "select" media sources:

Authorities can't say if there was a particularly good reason why police arrested Gray.

So dude didn't even do anything. Okay, lets go further:

The police say Gray didn't resist arrest and that officers didn't use force, which seems to be mostly corroborated by video shot by bystanders. Gray seems to shout in pain, and his leg seems injured as officers drag him to a police van.

Okay, so everything checks out here.

Black dude with record and run-ins with police: Check.

Did some minor thing against the law or nothing at all: Check.

The van made at least two stops before reaching the police station, but there's no footage to say what happened during the journey or at those stops.

It's a baffling conundrum. "None of the officers describe any use of force," Deputy Police Commissioner Jerry Rodriguez said. "None of the officers describe using any force against Mr. Gray." And yet somehow Gray was fatally hurt while in police custody.

Yeah. Gray sustained very severe injuries in that van.

Again, he was a convicted criminal and likely a net drain on society. That doesn't mean he deserved a crushed voice box and fractured spine.

At least the police in Baltimore are aware enough of their own sadism and wait to get him in an unrecordable van before killing him. South Carolina cops take note: if you're in an area where killing a guy is recordable... just throw him in a van and do it off camera.

Land of the Free, mother(#*@&@ers.

 

[volbeast33]

I disagree. IMO, major black leaders in the USA should get together and call for this violence to stop. There has been a tremendous amount of progress in my lifetime, however this type action accomplishes nothing other than setting race relation back several years.

I have always supported LEO'S, however during the last year there has been way to much unnecessary force with most of it being used against men of color. It is time we clean up our police departments. This case and the case where the cop shot the 51 year old man that was running in the back were murder,imo. The officer that ran over the guy with his police car was also way over board.

Their needs to be a movement to clean up our law enforcement officers but rioting is not the way to do it.

That's the problem.....the guy that shot the guy in the back was charged with murder and these guys will likely face charges as well depending on what the evidence shows....I disagree about the guy that hit the guy with the car....If u are a violent criminal walking down the street firing a shotgun, I don't care what color u r, the police can run u over with their car all they want too.

 

[volfanhill]

That's the problem.....the guy that shot the guy in the back was charged with murder and these guys will likely face charges as well depending on what the evidence shows....I disagree about the guy that hit the guy with the car....If u are a violent criminal walking down the street firing a shotgun, I don't care what color u r, the police can run u over with their car all they want too.

If there wasn't video do you think there would be charges ?

 

[jp1]

Some of you guys need to read more than just "select" media sources:
.

I wasn't saying he didn't suffer his injuries in the van. I was merely suggesting he didnt suffer the injuries that he had from rolling around unrestrained. Nor were his charges just for selling pot.

What are my "select" media sources again?

 

[volbeast33]

If there wasn't video do you think there would be charges ?

Maybe not but u cant complain based on what may or may not have happened.....hopefully forensics would have shown the cop guilty of shooting the guy in the back just as forensics showed that the Mike Brown crowd was FOS.

 

[hog88]

Some of you guys need to read more than just "select" media sources:



So dude didn't even do anything. Okay, lets go further:



Okay, so everything checks out here.

Black dude with record and run-ins with police: Check.

Did some minor thing against the law or nothing at all: Check.



Yeah. Gray sustained very severe injuries in that van.

Again, he was a convicted criminal and likely a net drain on society. That doesn't mean he deserved a crushed voice box and fractured spine.

At least the police in Baltimore are aware enough of their own sadism and wait to get him in an unrecordable van before killing him. South Carolina cops take note: if you're in an area where killing a guy is recordable... just throw him in a van and do it off camera.

Land of the Free, mother(#*@&@ers.

Wasn't he in an altercation/fight with someone shortly before being arrested?

 

[agent|orange]

I wasn't saying he didn't suffer his injuries in the van. I was merely suggesting he didnt suffer the injuries that he had from rolling around unrestrained. Nor were his charges just for selling pot.

What are my "select" media sources again?

You said:

he didn't suffer his injuries from a "nickel ride"

That is exactly what looks to have happened.

Freddie Gray not the first to come out of Baltimore police van with serious injuries - Baltimore Sun

As daily protests continue in the streets of Baltimore, authorities are trying to determine how Gray was injured, and their focus is on the 30-minute van ride that followed his arrest. "It's clear what happened, happened inside the van," Mayor Stephanie Rawlings-Blake said Monday at a news conference.

Baltimore Police have done this exact thing multiple times. Hell, they even nickel rode a 27 year old blonde white woman and killed a 43 year old man about 10 years ago for the egregious crime of public urination.

These cops that do this are sadists. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[jp1]

You said:



That is exactly what looks to have happened.

Freddie Gray not the first to come out of Baltimore police van with serious injuries - Baltimore Sun



Baltimore Police have done this exact thing multiple times. Hell, they even nickel rode a 27 year old blonde white woman and killed a 43 year old man about 10 years ago for the egregious crime of public urination.

These cops that do this are sadists. Nothing more, nothing less.

Again, I'm not arguing that nickel rides dont occur. I would have to see the actual report, but I find doubtful that he suffered a crushed larynx due to the van ride. It would seem much more probable that he was punched in the throat. I could very easily be wrong, thats just my opinion.

 

[volfanhill]

Maybe not but u cant complain based on what may or may not have happened.....hopefully forensics would have shown the cop guilty of shooting the guy in the back just as forensics showed that the Mike Brown crowd was FOS.

You can complain that there have been an unacceptable number of incidents where LEO's used unacceptable force on citizens. Is it more than in the past? Probably not, but we are just more aware of it today because everyone has a video recorder in their pocket. It needs to stop.It won't until LEO's change how they interact with the public.

 

[agent|orange]

Wasn't he in an altercation/fight with someone shortly before being arrested?

Doesn't matter. That is a matter for the courts to decide and punish.

Street cops should not ever be doling out their own justice.

Or are you guys actually defending a police state? Sounds like you guys are saying:

"If I publicly urinate, get into a fight or look at a cop the wrong way... I deserve to be cuffed and throw into the back of a van and not be buckled. Then the cop driving has every right to take corners at high speed, drive erratically and stop suddenly so as to cause senseless damage upon my person".

I'm pretty damned sure if you were in a cop van under these circumstances, you wouldn't be defending the sadist behind the wheel.

Point is, BCP have been doing this for years. They've done it to whites, blacks, men, women, everyone and anyone. For crimes from selling pot to public urination to really nothing at all.

It's an issue of police brutality. And you guys really seem like you're defending it. It doesn't matter what Gray did. It's not up to a cop driving a chuck wagon to dole out punishment. That's sadism and it's torture.

I honestly don't care if the guy was suspected of killing 100 puppies and murdering 100 toddlers. That is for the courts to decide.

But, then again, I'm just some hedonist that supports Due Process as guaranteed by the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments of the Constitution.

Seems not all Americans get that pleasure.

 

[Gramps]

Rev Al meeting with the Baltimore mayor today.

 

[agent|orange]

Again, I'm not arguing that nickel rides dont occur. I would have to see the actual report, but I find doubtful that he suffered a crushed larynx due to the van ride. It would seem much more probable that he was punched in the throat. I could very easily be wrong, thats just my opinion.

The police have already admitted they didn't buckle the guy in and the Mayor has already admitted that Gray suffered grievous bodily harm in the van.

Of course the cop will not say:

"Yeah, so Billy and I picked up that ****** and then drove around like we were at Go Carts. I stopped for a burger and shake, Billy had a large fry and Coke. We had a good meal. The ****** in the back didn't want anything so we continued taking corners at 35MPH and then stopping erratically while the ****** in the back wasn't buckled and was handcuffed. See, it's great because they can't brace their tumbles and they just take it all in the face. It's a great time!"

He'll say:

"Gray reached for my taser and in the scuffle I forgot to buckle him in. I think he was saying something about shopping at the Buckle but I didn't see how that was relevant."

Same as Slager had this great story until video evidence he didn't know existed came out. I'd have loved to have seen his face when he realized his dumb@ss was being filmed.

 

[RDU VOL#14]

You've been in Dick's military too long. Blowing up **** is what you're good at, and what you're intended to do.

Nation building and social engineering, not so much.

You really need to get a grip on your Dick obsession. How he is relevant in this thread is beyond me. I'm kind of concerned that I'll read a headline one day that starts "University of Tennessee professor arrested in Wyoming".

 

[hog88]

The police have already admitted they didn't buckle the guy in and the Mayor has already admitted that Gray suffered grievous bodily harm in the van.

Of course the cop will not say:

"Yeah, so Billy and I picked up that ****** and then drove around like we were at Go Carts. I stopped for a burger and shake, Billy had a large fry and Coke. We had a good meal. The ****** in the back didn't want anything so we continued taking corners at 35MPH and then stopping erratically while the ****** in the back wasn't buckled and was handcuffed. See, it's great because they can't brace their tumbles and they just take it all in the face. It's a great time!"

He'll say:

"Gray reached for my taser and in the scuffle I forgot to buckle him in. I think he was saying something about shopping at the Buckle but I didn't see how that was relevant."

Same as Slager had this great story until video evidence he didn't know existed came out. I'd have loved to have seen his face when he realized his dumb@ss was being filmed.

I'll ask the question. Does any of this justify what's going on in the streets of Baltimore?

There is no question that there have been several cases of police brutality and murder over the years in Baltimore but one doesn't justify the other. They're not hurting the police!

 

[TNsnyper20]

I leave this thread awhile back talking about how the riots should be handled.

I come back to it's all Obama and Democrats fault. Interesting.:huh:

 

[jp1]

The police have already admitted they didn't buckle the guy in and the Mayor has already admitted that Gray suffered grievous bodily harm in the van.

Of course the cop will not say:

"Yeah, so Billy and I picked up that ****** and then drove around like we were at Go Carts. I stopped for a burger and shake, Billy had a large fry and Coke. We had a good meal. The ****** in the back didn't want anything so we continued taking corners at 35MPH and then stopping erratically while the ****** in the back wasn't buckled and was handcuffed. See, it's great because they can't brace their tumbles and they just take it all in the face. It's a great time!"

He'll say:

"Gray reached for my taser and in the scuffle I forgot to buckle him in. I think he was saying something about shopping at the Buckle but I didn't see how that was relevant."

Same as Slager had this great story until video evidence he didn't know existed came out. I'd have loved to have seen his face when he realized his dumb@ss was being filmed.

Take deep breaths.....slow down and read for a second. Im not defending anyone here. Go back and read what I posted. I think it is more likely that his larynx injury occurred in another way. If you disagree fine, but quit going on your rants that im trying to defend anybody. Heck, I posted he more than likely got punched in the throat.

 

[agent|orange]

You can complain that there have been an unacceptable number of incidents where LEO's used unacceptable force on citizens. Is it more than in the past? Probably not, but we are just more aware of it today because everyone has a video recorder in their pocket. It needs to stop.It won't until LEO's change how they interact with the public.

It won't change until cops realize:

* They're there to protect and serve the public. They're not there to fill the prisons with fresh bodies.

* The law is higher than them (and they're not above it)

* It's not us versus them.

I'm sure there are plenty of cops that do understand and follow all 3 points.

Lastly, it's amazing how far simply not being a complete @sshole to people will get you.

 

[agent|orange]

I'll ask the question. Does any of this justify what's going on in the streets of Baltimore?

There is no question that there have been several cases of police brutality and murder over the years in Baltimore but one doesn't justify the other. They're not hurting the police!

It doesn't justify the riots on the streets of Baltimore at all.

Those are just idiotic thugs looking to do idiotic thuggish crap. They're pursuing illegitimate outcomes from what started as a legitimate protest against police brutality.

 

[Septic]

septic tank isn't a fan of stuff like that. he'd support these protestor over some silly, greedy business owner.

Derp. No surprise that your takeaway is that I must support them since I believe gunning them down may prove to be constitutionally, morally and logically counterproductive.

Joe, as a silly, greedy business owner - I am qualified to tell you that you have no idea what you're talking about. As usual.