Bama player appeared to hit woman as he left the field…

[Arrested Devolopment]

Cant believe it hasnt been said already but, Mark Richt has lost control of the Alabama football team.

www.FahrMarkRicht.com

 

[VFL-82-JP]

Look, you may not like the world that we live in, but it doesn't change the fact that you're way out over your ski's on this particular subject.....

Ok, you're going to need to explain that one. It seems to make no sense at all.

On the subject of football players hitting co-eds, I'm "way out over my skis"...for thinking he was wrong? And that has something to do with the world we live in? And me not liking that world?

Are you now just feverishly tossing out phrases you've heard before because you thought they sounded cool back then and are hoping they may help your argument now?

Because this seems like gibberish....

 

[andywilson001]

Rushing the field is not illegal unless the school presses trespassing charges. It’s an SEC rule, not a law. No one on the field was breaking any law. The security guards were literally helping people jump down from the stands.

As a visiting player surrounded by opposing fans, I could see defending yourself while trying to get out if people were harassing you. But this… he had to reach out to smack her. She didn’t even know he was there. Definitely not a threat and not impeding his exit from the stadium at all. Idk if he should be charged with a crime but it should definitely be addressed.

 

[LittleVol]

I don’t think there is any legal justification for assaulting someone just because they are in your vicinity. The fact that the girl was on the field is legally irrelevant.

Precisely.
There was no "self-defense " that could be plead, either.

This mfr is done. Assclown...

 

[LittleVol]

Rushing the field is not illegal unless the school presses trespassing charges. It’s an SEC rule, not a law. No one on the field was breaking any law. The security guards were literally helping people jump down from the stands.

As a visiting player surrounded by opposing fans, I could see defending yourself while trying to get out if people were harassing you. But this… he had to reach out to smack her. She didn’t even know he was there. Definitely not a threat and not impeding his exit from the stadium at all. Idk if he should be charged with a crime but it should definitely be addressed.

Exactly.

And yes he should be charged according to Tennessee state law.

 

[orangelo]

If I saw him hitting a female he wouldn’t be the only on going to jail.

 

[WilcoVolsFan]

Every person that was on that field after the game without proper credentials in hand was wrong in the eyes of the SEC. Period.

There's some truth in that statement. But Burton is not the SEC.

She was on the field, she pointed her phone in his face, whether you like it or not he is going to say I felt threatened in that environment immediately following the game and I defended myself on my way to the locker room.

So your argument here is that 6' 200 lbs Jermaine Burton, who was wearing pads and a helmet at the time, felt so threatened by a 5 foot whatever 110 lbs girl that was clearly moving away from him and attempting to avoid him, that he was compelled to "defend" himself by striking out at her?

You know what, I'd love to see him make that argument.

when she made a choice to violate the rules, she accepted the consequences of her choice.

Being assaulted by Jermaine Burton is not a consequence of her choice, but rather a consequence of his choice.

If I'm doing 80 on the interstate and the posted speed limit is 65, I should accept the consequences of my actions that I could be stopped and ticketed by law enforcement. It doesn't suddenly grant other drivers on the road the right to throw rocks at my window as I pass and claim they felt threatened by my speeding.

 

[newyorkvol]

Actually More interested in whatever team discipline is handed down then whatever legality there may/may not be. Does Saban proactively discipline him? Or wait for the “legal process” to run its course?

 

[Volfan76]

Translation...We want to find out if there are any more videos before we try to spin this with an excuse. Excuses we are currently working on:
He didn't see her.
He thought she was trying to give him a high five and he missed her hand.
She had a bee on her head.
She disrespected him.
He was afraid of her.
She hit him first.

 

[andywilson001]

Exactly.

And yes he should be charged according to Tennessee state law.

The girl in the video would need to be identified and she would need to give a statement and possibly testify if it went to court. If she’s not willing to do all that, then I doubt any criminal charges will be filed. Even if she does, he would have a pretty solid defense. The video alone would not be enough to convict him. They were essentially in mosh pit. Like you see at heavy metal concerts. If someone tried to file assault charges because they got punched in a mosh pit at a rock concert, do you think those charges would stick? Even if there was video evidence? It would be a tough case. The defendant will argue that you assumed the risk of getting punched when you jumped down on the field.

I’m not saying he had the right to hit her, he didn’t. She was not a threat or even in his way. But from a legal standpoint it would be a tough case to prosecute. Given the setting and the circumstances.

 

[apevol]

Translation...We want to find out if there are any more videos before we try to spin this with an excuse. Excuses we are currently working on:
He didn't see her.
He thought she was trying to give him a high five and he missed her hand.
She had a bee on her head.
She disrespected him.
He was afraid of her.
She hit him first.

you got a bee on a you hat!

 

[I Love Lamp]

www.FahrMarkRicht.com

Damn you

 

[WilcoVolsFan]

Look, you may not like the world that we live in, but it doesn't change the fact that you're way out over your ski's on this particular subject.....

Dude..... look in it. You're describing yourself.

 

[VFL-82-JP]

One other tangential point: the co-eds hit by the Bama player weren't even in violation of any policy, much less law.

The NCAA's rules don't prohibit fans from running onto the field. Rather, they penalize the host school for allowing fans to run onto the field.

Think that through.

There is no relationship in this rule between (a) the NCAA, holder of the rule book, and (b) the fan. The relationship is between the NCAA and the university hosting the game. If the university allows its fans to take the field, the university is violating the rule and can be fined.

The students don't get fined. Because the NCAA has no regulatory relationship with people at the game.

So not only are those fans on the field not violating any law (trespass is not involved, since the university's leadership and security force clearly allowed the crowd to take the field, even talked in advance about how they would allow it), they're also not in violation of any policy, NCAA, SEC or otherwise.

They quite literally did nothing wrong. Well, except for the vandals who were tearing up the field for souvenirs.

That co-ed did nothing wrong. The lad who got hit by the football player, he did nothing wrong, either.

Only the football player is at fault here. Folks trying to blame his actions on the victims of his attacks are completely wrong.

 

[WilcoVolsFan]

you got a bee on a you hat!

Stoopid ah fahckin' game.

 

[SockeyeVol]

So now you're trying to claim that an SEC football player felt threatened by a co-ed. Roughly half his size.

Are you even thinking about what you're typing before you put it on the page?

Eh. I'm always a little disappointed when people suggest a large person (or a guy) can't feel fearful.


He's outnumbered 49:1 (rough guess) by a mob that is dressed in opposing colors, has a target on his back, and security has broken down in pockets. Some people are going to feel very worried in that situation, rationally or not.

 

[WilcoVolsFan]

But I’m not sure the SEC, or anyone for that matter, wants to start chasing down these incidents, because they don’t want to open that door.

You mean like this?

Oregon suspends Blount for rest of season

 

[allvol123]

Eh. I'm always a little disappointed when people suggest a large person (or a guy) can't feel fearful.


He's outnumbered 49:1 (rough guess) by a mob that is dressed in opposing colors, has a target on his back, and security has broken down in pockets. Some people are going to feel very worried in that situation, rationally or not.

Yes, be wary of those gleeful mobs.

 

[VFL-82-JP]

Eh. I'm always a little disappointed when people suggest a large person (or a guy) can't feel fearful.


He's outnumbered 49:1 (rough guess) by a mob that is dressed in opposing colors, has a target on his back, and security has broken down in pockets. Some people are going to feel very worried in that situation, rationally or not.

True enough, as a general thought.

And if the player had been swarmed by fans, including the co-ed, I might think your reasoning could apply here.

But watch that video--the co-ed one. The football player and co-ed are actually in a pocket of open space. There is no one else within arm's reach of the two of them. In most directions, there is no one for 10-15 feet. She wasn't with a friend. The two of them weren't being jostled by others. And the player wasn't hurrying off the field; he was walking quite slowly and nonchalantly, in fact.

None of the body language or crowd conditions argue that he acted under duress or threat.

Watch it closely, and tell me if you don't agree.

 

[zydane47]

The girl in the video would need to be identified and she would need to give a statement and possibly testify if it went to court. If she’s not willing to do all that, then I doubt any criminal charges will be filed. Even if she does, he would have a pretty solid defense. The video alone would not be enough to convict him. They were essentially in mosh pit. Like you see at heavy metal concerts. If someone tried to file assault charges because they got punched in a mosh pit at a rock concert, do you think those charges would stick? Even if there was video evidence? It would be a tough case. The defendant will argue that you assumed the risk of getting punched when you jumped down on the field.

I’m not saying he had the right to hit her, he didn’t. She was not a threat or even in his way. But from a legal standpoint it would be a tough case to prosecute. Given the setting and the circumstances.

She has been identified, and only confirmed that is her in the video and no other comment. Sounds to me like she's keeping quiet for legal purposes against him.

 

[WilcoVolsFan]

Eh. I'm always a little disappointed when people suggest a large person (or a guy) can't feel fearful.


He's outnumbered 49:1 (rough guess) by a mob that is dressed in opposing colors, has a target on his back, and security has broken down in pockets. Some people are going to feel very worried in that situation, rationally or not.

For argument's sake, even if he did feel fearful in that situation (which is a ridiculous assumption), it still does not entitle him to strike out a much smaller girl who was moving away from him and very clearly trying to avoid him. That's still assault and there's consequences for that.

If you take a wrong turn late at night and end up in a bad part of town and see a large group of men on the corner watching you, it's not unreasonable if you start have feelings of fearfulness for your personal safety. It does not however give you the right to open fire on the group.

 

[VFL92]

You mean like this?

Oregon suspends Blount for rest of season

That was handled internally by Oregon. Hopefully this situation is handled internally by Alabama.
The difference in the situations is that Blount punched an opponent who was supposed to be on the field. Burton punched a fan who wasn't supposed to be on the field. It complicates it. NOT from a legal standpoint, but from a liability and longterm consequences standpoint. It's in our best interest if Alabama handles this internally.

 

[WilcoVolsFan]

Sounds to me like she's keeping quiet for legal purposes against him.

Or she just doesn't want a barrage of social media attacks, angry calls and emails, etc. on her and her family by a bunch of morons from Tuscaloosa and beyond.

 

[WilcoVolsFan]

That was handled internally by Oregon. Hopefully this situation is handled internally by Alabama.
The difference in the situations is that Blount punched an opponent who was supposed to be on the field. Burton punched a fan who wasn't supposed to be on the field. It complicates it. NOT from a legal standpoint, but from a liability and longterm consequences standpoint. It's in our best interest if Alabama handles this internally.

But I’m not sure the SEC, or anyone for that matter, wants to start chasing down these incidents, because they don’t want to open that door. It’s a liability nightmare for both schools and the SEC.

Hell of a debate you're having with yourself right now. Let us know which one of your personas wins.

 

[SockeyeVol]

True enough, as a general thought.

And if he'd been swarmed by fans, including the co-ed, I might think your reasoning could apply.

But watch that video--the co-ed one. The football player and co-ed are actually in a pocket of open space. There is no one else within arm's reach of the two of them. In most directions, there is no one for 10 yards. She wasn't with a friend. The two of them weren't being jostled by others. And the player wasn't hurrying off the field; he was walking quite slowly and nonchalantly, in fact.

None of the body language or crowd conditions argue that he acted as if threatened.

Watch it closely, and tell me if you don't agree.

I'll stick with my three main points from yesterday:

- There is no justification for anyone in that field to strike someone else unless In self defense.

- The video I saw has a skip between what appears to be her approaching him from the front, and then her being off to the side. Are we seeing everything that happened? I am not going to assume the video is complete simply because I am a Tennessee fan.

- Some people on the field in that situation will feel fearful. Saying they shouldn't because of gender and size is tone-deaf. He might have been scared shitless by that point. Mock him for that all you want, but it's valid.