Banned Book Thread

#178
#178
volinbham said:
that's nation on nation - there is no governing world body that oversees individual nations though I'm guessing you'd be in favor of one
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NATO is getting close. United Nations is also pretty damn close.
 
#179
#179
85SugarVol said:
Until they “must be checked”. Gross.

That’s not local control.
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If a school board in a majority Muslim district mandated that every student recite a daily prayer, I'm confident many of your would support intervention from the state level.

I'm guessing you don't believe that local control means the constitution does not have to be followed.

(That's where the "must be checked" enters...........not that gross.)
And yes, that is local control, but only within defined paramotors.
 
#181
#181
luthervol said:
If a school board in a majority Muslim district mandated that every student recite a daily prayer, I'm confident many of your would support intervention from the state level.

I'm guessing you don't believe that local control means the constitution does not have to be followed.

(That's where the "must be checked" enters...........not that gross.)
And yes, that is local control, but only within defined paramotors.
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No. Localities cannot violate the Bill of Rights. That’s one of the actual roles of the Federal government - protecting citizens from Local & State governments.

But you don’t need a bureaucracy for that. You need Courts, which we have.

But that’s not what I’m getting at. It’s what lay outside the constitution that the locals should have full autonomy on.

Teach gender identity and center your curricula on anti-racism.
Ban anti-racism and center your curricula on math and reading.

I don’t care. Local decision. Feds stay out.
 
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#182
#182
An overbearing Federal government pushed by the Dems is the source of much of our national discourse. More divisive than anything Trump ever did. I couldn't imagine another layer of unaccountable governance that further dilutes one's voice.
 
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#183
#183
luthervol said:
What point are you attempting to make?
Serious question.
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The fact that Utah is a historically religious state that had several early settlers practicing a variation of Christianity. Now in that same state, we have Bibles being removed from libraries.
 
#186
#186
luthervol said:
Please.....it's 100% relevant. School boards are not citizens, they are political bodies.

Neighborhoods oversee individual home owners
Towns oversee neighborhoods.
Counties oversee towns.
States oversee counties.
The country oversees states.
The world oversees nations.
Employers oversee employees.
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This is some of your dumbest yet, congrats.
 
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#188
85SugarVol said:
No. Localities cannot violate the Bill of Rights. That’s one of the actual roles of the Federal government - protecting citizens from Local & State governments.

But you don’t need a bureaucracy for that. You need Courts, which we have.

But that’s not what I’m getting at. It’s what lay outside the constitution that the locals should have full autonomy on.

Teach gender identity and center your curricula on anti-racism.
Ban anti-racism and center your curricula on math and reading.

I don’t care. Local decision. Feds stay out.
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Not only can they not violate the Bill of Rights, they cannot violate any of the constitution.
It seems we are in agreement for the most part.
 
#190
#190
Rasputin_Vol said:
The fact that Utah is a historically religious state that had several early settlers practicing a variation of Christianity. Now in that same state, we have Bibles being removed from libraries.
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So you are saying parents working to have books banned is an issue?
 
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luthervol said:
Please.....it's 100% relevant. School boards are not citizens, they are political bodies.

Neighborhoods oversee individual home owners
Towns oversee neighborhoods.
Counties oversee towns.
States oversee counties.
The country oversees states.
The world oversees nations.
Employers oversee employees.
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Sounds like you are in favor of power being closer to the people instead of DC/The Federal Govt...

Are you becoming a Republican or a Black Panther?
 
#194
#194
luthervol said:
So you are saying parents working to have books banned is an issue?
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It is an issue that the particular book they choose to ban in a Utah locality is The Bible. It has nothing to do with the rights of parents. I expect this type of stuff in California or NYC.

It has to do with the morality of the parents doing the choosing. We are trending downward culturally towards decay.
 
#195
#195
luthervol said:
If a school board in a majority Muslim district mandated that every student recite a daily prayer, I'm confident many of your would support intervention from the state level.

I'm guessing you don't believe that local control means the constitution does not have to be followed.

(That's where the "must be checked" enters...........not that gross.)
And yes, that is local control, but only within defined paramotors.
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So to be clear, a Muslim daily prayer is the same as having a LGBTQP book in the school library? Would your Islamic friends want this comparison to be made?
 
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#197
#197
Rasputin_Vol said:
Sounds like you are in favor of power being closer to the people instead of the DC/Federal Govt...

Are you becoming a Republican or a Black Panther?
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lol....
I haven't wavered.
I've always believed as much freedom should be granted as can be handled.
 
#200
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Rasputin_Vol said:
So to be clear, a Muslim daily prayer is the same an having a LGBTQP book in the school library? Would your Islamic friends want this comparison to be made?
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I never said they were the same. I was providing an example of when school boards need checking.
 
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