Banned Book Thread

[volfanhill]

I would ban all the books that persuaded you to become a Communist.

Sounds like you are a closeted Commie Vlad

 

[Vol8188]

There is no confusion about this, except the part in which you are being obtuse.
Dude, use Google. Call the high schools over there, and ask them. They were banned by the school board, and the books are not in the school libraries.
That is not a rumor.
Let me get this straight: You have experience for a decade in dealing with rural school boards, and you think there's a transparent "source" for issues such as this?

Why do I have to use Google for a claim you made? Can you back your claim or not?

 

[GordonC]

Sounds like you are a closeted Commie Vlad

I see what you did there.
Commie: Control-C
Vlad: Control-V
Well done!

 

[GordonC]

Why do I have to use Google for a claim you made? Can you back your claim or not?

With a damn web link from a rural school board?
HAHAHAHAHA
You're clueless.
Call those schools and ask for yourself. Call the school board.

 

[SamRebel35]

Where are these "sexual explicit adult gay" books that you are referring to? Anybody seen them? I'm quite sure they exist only in the imagination of conservatives. Where are examples of these books that have MAGA undies in a knot?

As for the bible, it's a bunch of fictional nonsense.

"These books aren't in school libraries! But if they were, it's good! Also, God ain't real! Eat it conserv-cucks!"

 

[Vol8188]

With a damn web link from a rural school board?
HAHAHAHAHA
You're clueless.
Call those schools and ask for yourself. Call the school board.

“Dude, use Google”-that’s literally what you told me to do. Now you’re saying that’s bad advice?

My point is you’re bringing nothing to the argument other than unclear second hand accounts that don’t seem to be about actual bans but just parents upset certain things were taught. And even that we can’t confirm.

 

[GordonC]

“Dude, use Google”-that’s literally what you told me to do. Now you’re saying that’s bad advice?

My point is you’re bringing nothing to the argument other than unclear second hand accounts that don’t seem to be about actual bans but just parents upset certain things were taught. And even that we can’t confirm.

Again, nothing unclear here. The board banned it.
Use Google to look up the phone numbers of the schools.
Learn to read.

What I said: Dude, use Google. Call the high schools over there, and ask them.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Where are these "sexual explicit adult gay" books that you are referring to? Anybody seen them? I'm quite sure they exist only in the imagination of conservatives. Where are examples of these books that have MAGA undies in a knot?

As for the bible, it's a bunch of fictional nonsense.

Cool story. So you have been to all kinds of different libraries and have personally checked for these books right?

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

"These books aren't in school libraries! But if they were, it's good! Also, God ain't real! Eat it conserv-cucks!"

Dude is a typical atheist liberal. Clueless.

 

[hog88]

I would ban all the books that persuaded you to become a Communist.

It’s the absence of reading that leads people to be communist. It’s the absence of of experience or common sense that leads people to be on the left of the political spectrum.

 

[NCFisher]

its not like the bible is void of sexually explicit material....sure there aren't pictures, but dang Ezekiel 23:20 is pretty spicy depending on which version you read. or if you are a biblical scholar and get into the song of solomon.

if we are going to purity test the books in a library for explicitly lewd acts its going to be a much bigger list than you think.

You know, I attended many Sunday bible classes as a child and I don't recall the conversation "Amy, you appear a commonplace 10 year old girl, but have you ever considered you might have been born a wanton whore and prostitute like that described in Ezekial 23:20?" And, is the Bible being taught in public schools?

Appealing to the Bible is the cheapest form of political argument. Here's the damned litmus test for the 100th time; you don't fk with the heads of children by bringing your political ideology of aberrant sexuality, gender/queer, racialism, equity 'intersectionalities' into the classroom at an age when they just should be kids figuring out childhood, like we all did. Just like two married people working at the same place, your marriage is suspended for the workday. Leave your Marxist, anti-Western anarchic impulses at the door. Whether you like it or not, you are there to give them a basic education, and doing a shite job of it. They aren't your children.

Do you pass that litmus test?

 

[85SugarVol]

Again, nothing unclear here. The board banned it.
Use Google to look up the phone numbers of the schools.
Learn to read.

What I said: Dude, use Google. Call the high schools over there, and ask them.

They may have banned them. I have no idea. And don’t really care.

But you’re asking him to authenticate a claim you made.

 

[85SugarVol]

I believe in complete educational freedom for local school boards and the local citizens that elect them.

From Eugene, Oregon down to Jupiter, Florida.

Put whatever books you want in the schoolhouse library. If the local citizens, that send the local kids to those local schools are ok with it - so am I.

I wonder if @luthervol would agree with me?

 

[GordonC]

They may have banned them. I have no idea. And don’t really care.

But you’re asking him to authenticate a claim you made.

I don't really care either. The context was a claim that some groups object to the treatment of the Ewell family, rather than to the use of certain language (leading to a ban). Those were the reasons that school board acted and banned the book from middle and high school libraries.
That is true, and in that county, it happened. And I mean, from a PR standpoint, you can't expect a rural school board to admit that is the reason when 95 percent of the county is white and to be transparent and verifiable by someone on a message board clicking a damned link. There are things that happen--real things--that are not on the Internet.

 

[GordonC]

I believe in complete educational freedom for local school boards and the local citizens that elect them.

From Eugene, Oregon down to Jupiter, Florida.

Put whatever books you want in the schoolhouse library. If the local citizens, that send the local kids to those local schools are ok with it - so am I.

I wonder if @luthervol would agree with me?

I'm good with that, as long as there's not a knee-jerk reaction to go on a word search. Uncomfortable themes are part of life, and historical context is important.
But no child should be subjected to a glorification or exploration of sexuality, gay or straight, in a school library. I have not seen that at all.
My grandchildren live with us, and I see the books they bring in here (city school system). I haven't seen anything related to sexuality.
I will come down on the side against censors pretty regularly, but when it comes to children, as I said, I don't want the school having anything to do with them exploring or "discovering" their sexuality through indoctrination one way or the other.

 

[hog88]

I believe in complete educational freedom for local school boards and the local citizens that elect them.

From Eugene, Oregon down to Jupiter, Florida.

Put whatever books you want in the schoolhouse library. If the local citizens, that send the local kids to those local schools are ok with it - so am I.

I wonder if @luthervol would agree with me?

While I think books need to be age appropriate I’m against book bans in schools. I‘m a firm believer in parental influence and just because kids are exposed to whatever, its a failure of the parents if it takes them off track.

 

[85SugarVol]

I'm good with that, as long as there's not a knee-jerk reaction to go on a word search. Uncomfortable themes are part of life, and historical context is important.
But no child should be subjected to a glorification or exploration of sexuality, gay or straight, in a school library. I have not seen that at all.
My grandchildren live with us, and I see the books they bring in here (city school system). I haven't seen anything related to sexuality.
I will come down on the side against censors pretty regularly, but when it comes to children, as I said, I don't want the school having anything to do with them exploring or "discovering" their sexuality through indoctrination one way or the other.

If Eugene City Schools want to teach Gender Queer in their classrooms, I’m not gonna stomp my feet over it.

I don’t have to like it. And neither do the parents, but it’s a local issue they need to address.

But if you’re gonna let locals in Eugene decide what’s taught in their classrooms, locals in Jupiter should be afforded the same decision.

 

[85SugarVol]

While I think books need to be age appropriate I’m against book bans in schools. I‘m a firm believer in parental influence and just because kids are exposed to whatever, its a failure of the parents if it takes them off track.

I’m personally against book bans as well. But I’ll defer to local communities to decide what to teach their kids.

 

[hog88]

I’m personally against book bans as well. But I’ll defer to local communities to decide what to teach their kids.

I agree, education should be a local issue.

 

[luthervol]

I believe in complete educational freedom for local school boards and the local citizens that elect them.

From Eugene, Oregon down to Jupiter, Florida.

Put whatever books you want in the schoolhouse library. If the local citizens, that send the local kids to those local schools are ok with it - so am I.

I wonder if @luthervol would agree with me?

I do not believe in complete educational freedom for local school boards.
That's like giving a principal complete educational freedom within his school.
Or giving a teacher complete educational freedom in the classroom.

There are crazy and pathetic school boards.
There are crazy and pathetic principals.
There are crazy and pathetic teachers.

 

[Franklin Pierce]

I do not believe in complete educational freedom for local school boards.
That's like giving a principal complete educational freedom within his school.
Or giving a teacher complete educational freedom in the classroom.

There are crazy and pathetic school boards.
There are crazy and pathetic principals.
There are crazy and pathetic teachers.

I gave you a like. You seem to be back on your medication.

 

[hog88]

I do not believe in complete educational freedom for local school boards.
That's like giving a principal complete educational freedom within his school.
Or giving a teacher complete educational freedom in the classroom.

There are crazy and pathetic school boards.
There are crazy and pathetic principals.
There are crazy and pathetic teachers.

There are crazy and pathetic people in the federal Department of Education.

 

[luthervol]

There are crazy and pathetic people in the federal Department of Education.

There are crazy and pathetic people who hate the Department of Education.
There are crazy and pathetic plumbers.
There are crazy and pathetic judges.
There are crazy and pathetic truck drives.
There are crazy and pathetic ministers.
There are crazy and pathetic CEOs.
There are crazy and pathetic small business owners.
There are crazy and pathetic politicians.

No occupation/profession is at 0% and no occupation/profession is at 100%.......continuums.

 

[GordonC]

There are crazy and pathetic people who hate the Department of Education.
There are crazy and pathetic plumbers.
There are crazy and pathetic judges.
There are crazy and pathetic truck drives.
There are crazy and pathetic ministers.
There are crazy and pathetic CEOs.
There are crazy and pathetic small business owners.
There are crazy and pathetic politicians.

No occupation/profession is at 0% and no occupation/profession is at 100%.......continuums.

But if it ends at 100 percent and doesn't continue, nm

 

[hog88]

There are crazy and pathetic people who hate the Department of Education.
There are crazy and pathetic plumbers.
There are crazy and pathetic judges.
There are crazy and pathetic truck drives.
There are crazy and pathetic ministers.
There are crazy and pathetic CEOs.
There are crazy and pathetic small business owners.
There are crazy and pathetic politicians.

No occupation/profession is at 0% and no occupation/profession is at 100%.......continuums.

Yes and that is why control needs to be as local as possible.