Barnes on JJJ and JP - "it's up to them“

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Volanooga2521 said:
Defense doesn't matter if you can't score. Look at the past 10 national champions. All of them were top 10 in Kenpom offensive efficiency. You can't win every tournament game 55-54. Some team you're playing is going to shoot 50% from the field and 40% from 3 and then you are screwed.
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And offense doesn’t matter if you can’t stop anybody. Kentucky is a top 15 offense in the country and they’re barely in the tournament. Defense is half of the game whether you like it or not
 
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CAVPUT said:
And that's on Barnes. He got spooked with the tampering claims with Collins and chose to ride with what he had. It's done, but let's see if an old dog can learn new tricks. What's he gonna do at PG for next season? Will he ride with ZZ and Edwards or dip his toes into the portal again?
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We already have an active NCAA investigation on campus. We don’t need another one right now.
 
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MinisterofDef#92 said:
Source?
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Early in the season is what the post you quoted is referencing. Rob Lewis reported multiple times on the VQ podcasts that there was nothing structurally wrong with his knee AFTER the procedure and the Doctor’s were lost for what was bothering him because nothing was showing up. No one doubted it hurt but playing couldn’t and wouldn’t damage anything because he was healed.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Or maybe from the film he got those chances combined with the minutes in practice they determined that was unlikely and they were better off giving those minutes to Key & Zeigler (who clearly is still developing).
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Maybe, I'm just saying it's fair to ask the question. Key clearly wasn't cut out for that role and ZZ can hardly get a rest as a result.
 
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CAVPUT said:
And that's on Barnes. He got spooked with the tampering claims with Collins and chose to ride with what he had. It's done, but let's see if an old dog can learn new tricks. What's he gonna do at PG for next season? Will he ride with ZZ and Edwards or dip his toes into the portal again?
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Just as you say this, word gets out that our baseball program is now under investigation for tampering in the recruitment of Maui Ahuna. Now do you get why Barnes backed off Collins? The NCAA has recently said they were going to start cracking down on tampering.
 
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SGMVols said:
And offense doesn’t matter if you can’t stop anybody. Kentucky is a top 15 offense in the country and they’re barely in the tournament. Defense is half of the game whether you like it or not
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Defense is obviously important but you can't last in a basketball tournament because you are gonna run into a team that's making shots tight D or not. You better be able to score it yourself.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Ahh, so the guy who’s been worse offensively and defensively is said spark, makes sense. Maybe we should try some of the walk ons too while we’re at it?!
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BJ Edwards is a more talented player than Tyreke Key and would be able to score more than Key. He would have a few more blown defensive assignments. But, everyone is shi&*ing on Edwards ability and the guy is a talented player who dragged Catholic to the State title against much better teams in the state's toughest division.
 
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cncchris33 said:
There is no evidence that Edwards would be any more effective than those two offensively, yet there is an abundance of evidence, not to mention practice reps that you aren't privy to that would certainly seem to indicate ZZ and Vescovi can defend circles around Edwards.

So, you're advocating taking a risk that Edwards MIGHT provide a spark, no matter how big, on offense while knowingly sacrificing multiple possessions on defense. That feels like cutting off your nose to spite your face.
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Yes, it is a risk. But we've lost 6 of 8 and try to do something different. I swear, you guys are like Rick Barnes burner accounts.
 
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cncchris33 said:
But what makes you think Edwards is the answer? You’ve yet to answer that fundamental question in favor of just demanding change for the sake of change. You do realize that it is far more likely that benching ZZ or Vescovi in favor of Edwards leads to worse offense AND worse defense over the course of time, right? You just haven’t presented any case evidence that Edwards is a better option. Your entire argument is built on hope. Hope is not a plan.
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I'm not saying to bench ZZ or Santi. I'm saying that is Key is not engaged and missing shots to give his minutes to Edwards. Have to have a 3rd guard.
 
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Hell if anything seems DJ Jefferson would have been a candidate to add a spark on offense. He chose to RS specifically to get his defense up to Barnes' standard, not an offensive concern about his game like there was with Mashack when he came in.
 
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TheMookieMonster said:
Barnes just said JJJ and Phillips are expected to play tomorrow.[/QUOTE

AthensVol2007 said:
Early in the season is what the post you quoted is referencing. Rob Lewis reported multiple times on the VQ podcasts that there was nothing structurally wrong with his knee AFTER the procedure and the Doctor’s were lost for what was bothering him because nothing was showing up. No one doubted it hurt but playing couldn’t and wouldn’t damage anything because he was healed.
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You’re adding a lot of idiot sauce to Lewis’s actual quotes. Not having structural damage is very different than being “healed”. He had serious swelling and limited mobility. You can’t play with that kind of swelling and restricted range of motion. The only thing they determined was that he didn’t need further surgery. He wasn’t by any means “healed”. He also wasn’t cleared to play by trainers. The opposite is true.
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Obviously there’s a need for more help at PG. If Edwards had been exhibiting in practice that he’s the solution then he’d be getting more than 2 or 3 minutes. Key is probably schooling him.
 
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Volanooga2521 said:
BJ Edwards is a more talented player than Tyreke Key and would be able to score more than Key. He would have a few more blown defensive assignments. But, everyone is shi&*ing on Edwards ability and the guy is a talented player who dragged Catholic to the State title against much better teams in the state's toughest division.
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And Tyreke Key broke TN HS playoff scoring records, so that take doesn’t hold much water.
 
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Volanooga2521 said:
Yes, it is a risk. But we've lost 6 of 8 and try to do something different. I swear, you guys are like Rick Barnes burner accounts.
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So presenting an argument that doesn't jive, rank and file, with your own equates to being a Rick Barnes burner account?

Sorry that presenting the facts and an alternate theory gets you rustled. Are you a BJ Edwards burner account?
 
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cncchris33 said:
So presenting an argument that doesn't jive, rank and file, with your own equates to being a Rick Barnes burner account?

Sorry that presenting the facts and an alternate theory gets you rustled. Are you a BJ Edwards burner account?
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Let's just keep doing the same thing and playing guys who can't create their own shot. I'm sure we'll do well as usual in the tournament.
 
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