Baseball Park And Fundraising Segments On Yesterday's Sports Source Edition On You tube

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Y9 Vol said:
Thanks for proving my point. If 3500 people are what you are happy with, then why expand our stadium when it seats 4200? You guys are thinking with your heart.
We have one of the best recruiting classes in the country coming in. They’re not coming in because we have the best stadium obviously. They are coming in to play for Coach and to play for the University of Tennessee. We will make the improvements that need to be made, but a new stadium immediately is not the issue. I would much rather see better indoor facilities in locker room for the players and coaches.
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It CAN EXPAND to 4200 when extra bleachers are brought in. The Arkansas series was elbow to elbow for 3 games and the concourses and standing areas were as deep as they could go which is 3500, as the stadium is arranged right now. Every single game sold out and there was no way 700 tickets went sold and unused (4200 sold - 3500 in attendance).

Nobody has said a new stadium, we’ve said renovate/upgrade/update/expand what we have. I’m all for better facilities for the players and doing that first if need be; that’s undeniably part of TV’s idea of committing to the program. He’s the coach and if a $1M indoor facility can help him secure and develop talent better and is more of a priority than a LF extension then I’m in.
 
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I concur with everything you were saying. But you are wrong about the current capacity.
 

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#128
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Y9 Vol said:
I concur with everything you were saying. But you are wrong about the current capacity.
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I was at every Arkansas game and there were still lots of empty seats. Not sure why
I'm guessing scalpers bought them up expecting to make a buck.
Most people don't think of scalping college baseball tickets and would not drive to campus without tix in hand already
 
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Y9 Vol said:
I concur with everything you were saying. But you are wrong about the current capacity.
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No I’m not. I know what the capacity says, and that’s when there are temporary bleachers brought in down the side. Capacity means what it can hold; it can hold 4200 without any permanent expansion. Were you at the Arkansas series? I was. It was 100% sold out, not a ticket to be purchased, and you couldn’t move. There were students 3 rows deep on the ramp up to the Deck. Halfway down the ramp your head is below the deck and you can’t see anything but a concrete wall. There were 3500+ people at all 3 games and there was no more people who could’ve been put in that place the way the stadium stands today.

This is what 4200 looks like and LF was not set up like this for Arkansas.
 

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#130
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AthensVol2007 said:
No I’m not. I know what the capacity says, and that’s when there are temporary bleachers brought in down the side. Capacity means what it can hold; it can hold 4200 without any permanent expansion. Were you at the Arkansas series? I was. It was 100% sold out, not a ticket to be purchased, and you couldn’t move. There were students 3 rows deep on the ramp up to the Deck. Halfway down the ramp your head is below the deck and you can’t see anything but a concrete wall. There were 3500+ people at all 3 games and there was no more people who could’ve been put in that place the way the stadium stands today.

This is what 4200 looks like and LF was not set up like this for Arkansas.
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Creating that type of atmosphere for huge important Series is good in my opinion. Why build an 8000 seat stadium when you only need 3500 to 4000? And don’t come back at me weird, it’s because of recruiting. We are recruiting just fine with the facilities we have. Pay the coach what he deserves and what he needs to keep his greatStaff that he has. Stadium expansion will come when it’s time.
 
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vol66 said:
Hmmm.

So the President of the University owns a professional baseball team.

He’s asking city officials and tax payers to see the upside in a downtown stadium.

He has asked Vitello if he’d be into sharing, based on reports.

Soooo, yeah, when Neyland Stadium becomes Pilot Flying J Stadium? Is that what we are debating?
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Boyd had a huge hand in keeping Barnes at UT and since he is a minor league baseball owner, he knows the value of keeping good coaches and their staffs around for the long term.
 
#132
#132
Y9 Vol said:
Creating that type of atmosphere for huge important Series is good in my opinion. Why build an 8000 seat stadium when you only need 3500 to 4000? And don’t come back at me weird, it’s because of recruiting. We are recruiting just fine with the facilities we have. Pay the coach what he deserves and what he needs to keep his great staff that he has. Stadium expansion will come when it’s time.
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A big time college baseball stadium is built for post season and big series. This is true for every big time team in the SEC. We're not talking about 85,000. 90.000 or 100,000. We're basically talking about a AA level facility. I want attendance for early season and midweek games to be 3-4k and for the big games to be 6-7k.

Our crappy stadium could do that big number but it would not be comfortable for anyone. The concession stand and restroom lines were unpleasant 2 weeks ago. And when in line; because the concourse faces the wrong damn direction; no one could see the field or game.

You build the stadium for the comfort of the fans who help foot the bill. Very few fans attend every home game. That's 35-40 games.

Don't use a football or basketball mindset to judge baseball. There's far more home games. Long series. More losses. More wins. Worse weather. Bad Luck. Good luck, limited scholarships; walk-ons; rainouts and seasons that extend past the school calendar year. These guys actually PAY to play baseball at UT. There are no full scholarships. For that alone; they deserve all we can provide.
 
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Y9 Vol said:
Creating that type of atmosphere for huge important Series is good in my opinion. Why build an 8000 seat stadium when you only need 3500 to 4000? And don’t come back at me weird, it’s because of recruiting. We are recruiting just fine with the facilities we have. Pay the coach what he deserves and what he needs to keep his greatStaff that he has. Stadium expansion will come when it’s time.
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Nobody has said 8,000 seats especially not myself. I think the renovation drawings that are out there would push permanent capacity to 5,000-6,000 which is plenty big for anyone outside of 4-5 teams in the country. When you’ve admitted you don’t donate like “you can” and/or used to anymore I don’t get why you’re so anti this. If you don’t see the need or ROI you’re looking for then don’t give. If it’s not your money being spent then why do you care how it’s spent? On top of that, when donating or buying sports tickets its all about the level of utility one derives from the experience, that’s unique to each individual. There is no quantitative ROI that can be assigned it’s all emotional. If some of us value the “ROI” the baseball experience gives us enough to donate/purchase more, in hopes that it can help improve things, then so what? I personally enjoy baseball as a whole a lot more than football and will gladly pay more for the experience next season if that’s what it takes to keep CTV and help give him what he needs. I won’t pretend to be some big time booster on here but I can confidently say I would willingly pay 10x what I paid this year for season tickets IF this level of success continues. Go back to the Raleigh days and I’ll be good for 1 game a year like I was from Delmonico’s ending until this season.
 
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#134
Another thought

As beautiful as our campus has become over the last 10 years; I think I'm going to trust their sense of design. It's like a completely different place.

I was showing my 13-year-old daughter around campus and had to admit I had not been into quite a few of the buildings. Volunteer Boulevard is the nicest roadway in the region now. The ugly stuff from the 60s is nearly gone. (We're looking at your Fraternity Row)

Urban campuses are never as scenic as the college town campii but UT may be the prettiest urban campus in the south.

Maybe the fraternity houses need to be moved again find a place like they did for the sororities. The school can use their current locations for more efficient uses than social clubs. There's your track facility and intramural facility right there
 
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fryeguy93 said:
A big time college baseball stadium is built for post season and big series. This is true for every big time team in the SEC. We're not talking about 85,000. 90.000 or 100,000. We're basically talking about a AA level facility. I won't attendance for early season and midweek games to be 3-4k and for the big games to be 6-7k.

Our crappy stadium could do that big number but it would not be comfortable for anyone. The concession stand and restroom lines were unpleasant. And when in line; because the concourse faces the wrong damn direction; no one could see the field or game.

You build the stadium for the comfort of the fans who help foot the bill.

Don't use a football or basketball mindset to judge baseball. There's far more home games. Long series. More losses. More wins. Worse weather. Bad Luck. Good luck, limited scholarships; walk-ons; rainouts and seasons that extend past the school calendar year. These guys actually PAY to play baseball at UT. There are no full scholarships. For that alone; they deserve all we can provide.
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You’re sadly wasting your breath. You make all valid and great points but this guy is very against spending any sum of money to improve the baseball facilities and stadium no matter what.
 
#136
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fryeguy93 said:
A big time college baseball stadium is built for post season and big series. This is true for every big time team in the SEC. We're not talking about 85,000. 90.000 or 100,000. We're basically talking about a AA level facility. I want attendance for early season and midweek games to be 3-4k and for the big games to be 6-7k.

Our crappy stadium could do that big number but it would not be comfortable for anyone. The concession stand and restroom lines were unpleasant 2 weeks ago. And when in line; because the concourse faces the wrong damn direction; no one could see the field or game.

You build the stadium for the comfort of the fans who help foot the bill. Very few fans attend every home game. That's 35-40 games.

Don't use a football or basketball mindset to judge baseball. There's far more home games. Long series. More losses. More wins. Worse weather. Bad Luck. Good luck, limited scholarships; walk-ons; rainouts and seasons that extend past the school calendar year. These guys actually PAY to play baseball at UT. There are no full scholarships. For that alone; they deserve all we can provide.
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Thanks for the lecture. I played college baseball and know exactly how the system works.
As I have said, keep winning and the stadium will come.
 
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Guys and Gals...I have asked before and NO ONE dares to answer.

Which SEC program has the worst baseball stadium but is the best program in the SEC?
 
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Y9 Vol said:
You are ignorant.
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Nah, you’re just sour. You come on this board and flaunt your money as a “donor” that you apparently don’t donate, and then tell everyone else they have no idea what they’re talking about when they say “reasonable” upgrades are needed to LNS.

No one is asking for Dudley Noble or Baum Walker to be built in Knoxville this off-season, but the future is now. TAMU is open. LSU will be open. A few other big jobs will be open, too. This off-season will determine the future of Tennessee baseball, not 2-3 more regionals from now.
 
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TheMookieMonster said:
Nah, you’re just sour. You come on this board and flaunt your money as a “donor” that you apparently don’t donate, and then tell everyone else they have no idea what they’re talking about when they say “reasonable” upgrades are needed to LNS.

No one is asking for Dudley Noble or Baum Walker to be built in Knoxville this off-season, but the future is now. TAMU is open. LSU will be open. A few other big jobs will be open, too. This off-season will determine the future of Tennessee baseball, not 2-3 more regionals from now.
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Drama much?
 
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Y9 Vol said:
Drama much?
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It’s not dramatic. It’s the truth. There will not be two programs better positioned to poach Vitello come open in the forseeable future. TAMU and LSU are strapped with cash, not used to losing, and have much better situations than we do for baseball. I believe that it’s now or never. I’m not saying the renovations have to pop up overnight, but you have to make a public commitment to Vitello that it’s going to happen sooner rather than later.
 
#144
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TheMookieMonster said:
It’s not dramatic. It’s the truth. There will not be two programs better positioned to poach Vitello come open in the forseeable future. TAMU and LSU are strapped with cash, not used to losing, and have much better situations than we do for baseball. I believe that it’s now or never. I’m not saying the renovations have to pop up overnight, but you have to make a public commitment to Vitello that it’s going to happen sooner rather than later.
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And I have said multiple times, in multiple threads, that DW has it under control and negotiations are underway. They will do all they can to keep him. But the emphasis is, all they can.
 
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I want to point out that lack of stadium upgrades can be used against Tennessee when it comes to recruiting. Sure, CV and his staff have done very well in so far in terms of selling recruits on player development. At some point, though one has to offer more than just player development. In my opinion, the program is at an disadvantage if the staff is given pay raises, but there is a lack of funding given towards stadium upgrades. The discrepancy can be used by other schools against Tennessee in that they can use it as a sign of lack of commitment to the program. CV is not asking for a brand new stadium, just upgrades that are reasonable (if last year's renderings are any indication).

And these upgrades don't have to be done all at once, rather in phases.
 
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Updating LNS sooner rather than later is just a no-brainer.

Danny White has told us his reputation for fund raising.

Time to show me the money.
 
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fryeguy93 said:
Another thought

Maybe the fraternity houses need to be moved again find a place like they did for the sororities. The school can use their current locations for more efficient uses than social clubs. There's your track facility and intramural facility right there
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Bingo! Those houses are about 60 years old or so. They will probably need to be replaced in the next few decades, anyway. That real estate was in the boondocks 60 years ago, but now is too valuable for such low density housing. If I were the campus planner, I'd be looking at the feasibility of just what your post said.
 
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Y9 Vol said:
Guys and Gals...I have asked before and NO ONE dares to answer.

Which SEC program has the worst baseball stadium but is the best program in the SEC?
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I guess your talking about Vanderbilt, but as with all things, beauty is in the eye of the beholder right? Their players like it especially former ones who come back and train there in the off season.
 
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