Bashing needs to stop
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South Carolina was a great step. No argument. I loved it. But let's be real, ok? Take away one of the most amazing circus catches I've seen this year and we're sitting at 3-8 going into the last game. How did we follow up on this positive step?
There you go with the insults again. Isnt there a rule here about that? Could it be that you're unable to point to concrete evidence outside of the South Carolina game and badmouthing the players for the University and coaches that you so forcefully seek to defend with your assertions. Are you a UT fan or a Butch Jones fan? Im a UT fan personally. Or could you just not have the ability to effectively communicate what has given you your abundance of confidence? I don't know. I don't have your abilities to just know things based off my gut feeling, or at least I don't blindly believe those feelings. I have to rely on pesky things like several coroborating pieces of evidence. I'm worth saving. Save me. Do I not feel, too? Cut me, do I not bleed?
Oreally? Their one back was a fifth rate poor man's Mike Alstott.
More quips about intelligence. Original.
Why are you hating on our players that wear the orange that chose to be here and defending a guy that wouldn't be here if he didn't have 3 million reasons?
And I'm the "negavol"????
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And were blown out 4 times, almost beaten by So Alabama, needed 5 gifts to beat WKU (who still ran on UT like they owned them), and got beat by Vandy for the second straight time for the first time since before the Great Depression. I see "two bright spots".... and then a team that neither played well nor got better over the season.
That excuse is false... but even if it weren't... it is meaningless. Great coaches develop the talent they have. Who is a better player right now in any tangible, measurable way than they were before this staff started coaching them?
Help us comprehend. Put forth a well thought out reason we should have your FAITH in the coaching ability of this staff. Thinking it through because YES... I am going to shoot holes in it if I can. That's how you PROVE ideas are good ones or bad ones.
That might be logic for why UT should not have won the East... not for why they set several historic program lows and lost to Vandy.
Saying that Dooley coaching a 9-10 win roster to five wins excuses Jones for coaching a six or 7 win roster to four or 5 wins.... is that REALLY the kind of "logic" you want to rely on?
Generally speaking.... you can tell who has the logic and facts on their side and who doesn't. Those who don't will namecall. They will attempt debate tricks like strawmen, diversion, evasion, fallacies of limited alternatives, false premises (like Dooley's failures somehow justify Jones'), etc.
They will ALWAYS become dismissive as if they are above answering points that in fact... they cannot answer.
They will ALWAYS become dismissive as if they are above answering points that in fact... they cannot answer.
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And likewise Bamawriter(which is not name calling/ believe it to be true), Most can tell that you apply logic and search any facts and stats to prove that Butch will not succeed and is not a SEC coach. But, I think the biggest deal is that you would much rather win arguments and bash away.....than vocally support a team you say you "support". Will you be here when we start winning? I know you will. And just like you said about OUR team beating USCe this year and CBJ outcoaching Spurrier in Timeouts/management.....AS LUCK............ you'll be here trolling as bama fan.
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Posting something negative about a player's play after a certain loss is way different than saying our Head coach cant coach in the SEC and clamoring to facts that support that.
How in the world, would anyone who supports the Vols and actually watched the USCe game(remember Spurriers that drive?)...... say that was luck.
Much different than saying a fact like "Worley underthrows alot" etc.
Convoluted????
I have not said that. I have said that the performance this year points against it.
How many times have I asked you alone to provide me with a good, well thought out reason to believe in him?
I would far rather believe than not believe. I just look at what they've done this year and the lack of improvement... and can't help but believe we are just in for more of what we've had way too much of lately. At least it took Dooley 20 games before he lost to a team with less talent.
I support the team. It is the coach I have questions about. And no, I would much rather have a coach I had good reason to believe was good for the team I support.
I would LOVE nothing more than to believe Jones is that guy. It is HE that has given me so many reasons not to believe that. I have been looking all year for him to show he can coach. The recruiting looks good. I actually think Jones CAN coach in many ways. But his staff is very suspect and he chose them. He also leads them now. He is responsible.
LOL. You have to ask? If I am breathing... I'll still be here.
I have nothing to justify to you. Go back and look at my posts. Not a Bama fan. I've been a UT fan for a long time... and the fact that you have to resort to something that ridiculous demonstrates how weak you KNOW your position is.
Outside of last year, this was one of the weakest coaching performances over all I've seen in 20 years... but I am still a fan.
How is that different than saying, "based off the schemes and decisions the coaches have made in games this year, they don't look like they can cut it in the SEC." it's not. Both are on field based statements. One argument fits in being a fan of the staff and the other supports the team. Simple. Lots of people here mistake pointing out faults in the staff as being a "negavol" yet basking the young men that sweat & bleed while wearing the orange as being positive. Yes. That's the epitome of convoluted.
Saying that UF & UGA glorified tackling dummy players are better than our 1st string and blaming the players for everything sounds like convoluted "support" to me too.
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No I didn't think we should beat the higher ranked teams. I thought we should beat teams that we were on equal footing or better talent wise especially at home. I think Butch is in over his head. It all boils down to whether you think this tean performed up to there maxium ability and my opinion is no.
If you think vandy is more talented then there really is no point in discussing it further.
Happy Thanksgiving.
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I will attempt to give some positives from the season though I know they will fall on deaf ears to some.
First is this staff is recruiting like they are seasoned SEC coaches and way better then anyone could have predicted.
Second the fan base seems to be rejuvenated and it showed with attendance being up for the first time in years. The important thing for attendance is it generates much needed dollars for the future if we were to need to make a change.
Third is we have a lot of players returning that seen a ton of playing time. I know there are needs to be filled and we will see how this staff develops players early next year.
And last but not least we have a coach who wants to be here and is not waiting on the next job to come open. While we did not perform on the field the way some wanted I think it is important that these players have the same position coach for more than 1 season and have an entire off season to work together. There is no need in continuing the can he coach or not the proof will be in the pudding by mid next season.
First is this staff is recruiting like they are seasoned SEC coaches and way better then anyone could have predicted.
Second the fan base seems to be rejuvenated and it showed with attendance being up for the first time in years. The important thing for attendance is it generates much needed dollars for the future if we were to need to make a change.
Third is we have a lot of players returning that seen a ton of playing time. I know there are needs to be filled and we will see how this staff develops players early next year.
And last but not least we have a coach who wants to be here and is not waiting on the next job to come open. While we did not perform on the field the way some wanted I think it is important that these players have the same position coach for more than 1 season and have an entire off season to work together. There is no need in continuing the can he coach or not the proof will be in the pudding by mid next season.
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Been thinking. Well, maybe trying to think is a better choice of words. Since you've insinuated that I lack knowledge (dimwit- numerous times) & say that I have no ability to comprehend single-celled organisms much less complicated concepts like big picture football schemes, let's see what's what shall we? You up to it? Here's your chance to prove your superior comprehension skills over a knuckle-dragger like me. You ready?
Category: The defensive scheme in the Auburn game
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What type of offense does Auburn run? What are their tendencies? What type of defense did Jancek employ to stop this? Why was(n't) this a sound scheme to employ?
We know it wasn't very effective. That much is obvious. Even someone with my paltry comprehension skills could see that. I'm sure you'll argue that it was all a result of our players being terrible because you say that's supporting this team. Scheme had nothing to do with it which, again, is showing support for the coac...err team. Ok. My comprehension skills can't allow me to see how that's supporting the team, but you get it. I don't apparently. How was the scheme employed, whatever it was (I can't tell you because me dimwit- you smart), not responsible? I expect a detailed explanation (if you can give one) defending the schematic choice of Jancek. I need in depth stuff to help me understand after all. Should be a snap for you. You can probably do it with 200,000 axions tied behind your head, but please help me. You don't believe in spurning the requests of those less mentally fortunate than you, do you? I'll try to give a semi-cogent response to your explanation. Can't guarantee that I can do that being so limited mentally and all. I promise that if I can't accomplish that, I'll be brave in the pursuit.
Here's your chance to bury me and prove your superior ability to understand all things football. Can you do it? Time to back up your words, if you can. I'll be patiently waiting. I think I'll go color in my new coloring book to pass the time. I got a new box of Crayolas for Thanksgiving. It's even one of the 64 color boxes. I'm giddy.
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