Bashing needs to stop

And you keep giving me a reason to.

You're something. What have you brought to the table other than your Nostradamus-like power of prediction? Did you have a dream too?

Let me get this right, you saw Dooley as a miserable excuse of a football coach immediately, yet you "have a feeling" that Butch is the one. That it? Ok, what is your reasoning for those feelings? As in something tangible. Or would you rather just have a spelling contest between us? I can bring IQ & ACT scores if you want.

I personally think the latter would be quite silly, but you're the one hung up on the "dimwit" stuff which is a rather compelling argument I might add. It's your world. I'm just trying to live in it. Tell me your rules so I can.
 
Do some of you find that you don't get invites to watch games with other folk? Cause dayum, it never stops. I can't imagine live action. You'd be taking your casserole and natty light out the door.

You'd be surprised at who gathers with me for games.
 
You're something. What have you brought to the table other than your Nostradamus-like power of prediction? Did you have a dream too?

Let me get this right, you saw Dooley as a miserable excuse of a football coach immediately, yet you "have a feeling" that Butch is the one. That it? Ok, what is your reasoning for those feelings? As in something tangible. Or would you rather just have a spelling contest between us? I can bring IQ & ACT scores if you want.

I personally think the latter would be quite silly, but you're the one hung up on the "dimwit" stuff which is a rather compelling argument I might add. It's your world. I'm just trying to live in it. Tell me your rules so I can.

I used logic in the post on what Butch lost and gained.

Yet you were only drawn to respond to one part of that post.


Hmmmm...I know why.
 
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My God if I read about Alabama losing to Louisiana Monroe one more time I will freaking explode. Do you think Alabama fans were happy with that? So we should accept losing to Vanderbilt? CBJ and staff needs to know this really is unacceptable and not a post game catch phrase.

I think CBJ knows, without having to be told, that losing to Vandy is not good.
 
I used logic in the post on what Butch lost and gained.

Yet you were only drawn to respond to one part of that post.


Hmmmm...I know why.

Talent excuse only goes so far. It doesn't work against Vandy or KY. We know the Vandy outcome. We'll find out Saturday about KY. The Vols underachieved according to Butch's own goals of reaching a bowl game.
 
Talent excuse only goes so far. It doesn't work against Vandy or KY. We know the Vandy outcome. We'll find out Saturday about KY. The Vols underachieved according to Butch's own goals of reaching a bowl game.

So how far does it go in fantasy land where you believe we're just supposed to win because we are UT.

Seems the depleted talent at UGA and UF, due to injuries, had the same problem we did with Vandy.
 
I used logic in the post on what Butch lost and gained.

Yet you were only drawn to respond to one part of that post.


Hmmmm...I know why.

The one that you compared Dooley's players to Butch's?

If so, show me one post where I've claimed Butch was loaded. I'll wait.

Besides, that wasn't what I was asking. What has been done, on the field this year, that has inspired this infallible gut feeling of yours that Butch is the indisputable savior of UT football? Convert me. I want to believe, but I need more than your assurances.
 
So how far does it go in fantasy land where you believe we're just supposed to win because we are UT.

Seems the depleted talent at UGA and UF, due to injuries, had the same problem we did with Vandy.

We did not have nearly the injuries that FL nor GA had. Plus FL is just as poorly coached as we are.
 
The one that you compared Dooley's players to Butch's?

If so, show me one post where I've claimed Butch was loaded. I'll wait.

Besides, that wasn't what I was asking. What has been done, on the field this year, that has inspired this infallible gut feeling of yours that Butch is the indisputable savior of UT football? Convert me. I want to believe, but I need more than your assurances.

We beat a top 10 team and we are program filled with scraps and leftovers from years of incompetence and staff turnover.

Tha said, I am wasting my time on someone like you. It is clear there is only so much you can comprehend.
 
Talent excuse only goes so far. It doesn't work against Vandy or KY. We know the Vandy outcome. We'll find out Saturday about KY. The Vols underachieved according to Butch's own goals of reaching a bowl game.

Im just glad he had a easy schedule, lots of capable WR's , and solid consistent QB play.. That Butch Jones, he is determined to underachieve. I bet he says to himself...How can I set a goal and then not achieve it. He says to himself the last fews months.... We are going to minimize the great speed and talent we have.....and slow things down and ride this thing out so Vandy can beat us.
Is this what you think?
 
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You just proved my point once again! Playing not to lose, what does that mean? Are you referring to Josh Dobbs? If so, asking a FRESHMAN quarterback to read defenses without his best receiver (North) and throw mid to long passes in the middle of the field you are sadly mistaken! If you didn't notice, Dobbs got 2 interceptions doing just that! Because of the TALENT and DEPTH CBJ was forced to play the game the way he did, can't you see that?
No. I didn't "prove your point"... and your point has NO validity.

Look at the EXCUSE you just used. The QB was not ready to play according to what you just posted. That's coaching. They only had one WR who can make a play. That's coaching. The scheme does not get players open. That's coaching. Do you want me to go on?

So Jones is going into a shell from now on when his QB makes early mistakes? THAT IS A COACHING FLAW.

Quit whining and accept the fact we are not that good right now.
Not whining. I accept that the roster had deficiencies... NONE that excuses the loss to Vandy. That was totally on the coaches in every way, shape, and form. Jones had the better roster and was outcoached.

The way you fix it is to bring in TALENT and change the CULTURE.
You MUST develop talent... it doesn't develop itself and almost no new recruits come in ready to play without development. You don't change a culture by losing games that could have been won and getting slaughtered in games that should have been closer. Stop excusing poor coaching.

He has done an OUTSTANDING job in these two areas so far! His coaching a ability won't be known for at least two years, period. Your negativity with regards to CBJ coaching is premature.
No it isn't. I have not said he won't be successful. I have said that the coaching this year was bad. It was. Get over it. If you want to put blind faith in the prospect of him being much better and competitive than he was this year... then have at it. I want to see some kind of proof.

One final point, with all due respect to you, I put much more stock on the comments of COMMITS, CURRENT PLAYERS, AND FORMER PLAYERS than you.
People who have a vested interest in saying nice things? OK. That's fine. You may not think I am objective... but they definitely are not.

In fact, your comments detract from where we all want to be.
Really? Saying that a loss to Vandy because of coaching is unacceptable "detracts" from the day when that's no longer a concern? Saying that being totally outcoached and outclassed for much of the season is unacceptable "detracts" from "where we all want to be"? I would say that 4 blow outs, a loss to Vandy, and a near miss vs So Alabama DETRACTS far more than anything I might say here.

Again, tell me SPECIFICALLY what CBJ should do with regards to coaching Team 117 which we all agree is simply cannot beat the top tier SEC teams?
Nothing now. He blew this opportunity. He gets two more. Hopefully he won't play not to lose this weekend and avoid a few more historic lows.

Don't need to hear what he is doing wrong, SPECIFICALLY tell me what CBJ should have done to make this team SEC Champions!!!
Didn't you just lecture someone about maturity? Well stop with the ridiculous hyperbole. No one... get that through your apparently 4" skull.... NO ONE suggested that he could take this roster and win the SEC.

What could he have done to get to six or 7 wins? He could have had a back up QB ready to play in the weeks since Peterman got hurt... preferrably two. He could have had more than one WR ready to make plays in a game critical to reaching the "goal" of making a bowl game that he harped about. He could have at least started playing for next year when some of the Sr's started tanking. He could have done SOMETHING schematically to get SOMEONE open against Vandy's SLOOOOOOOWWWW secondary that was down to FOUR BACK UPS in the second half.

Let me know how much more you want.... there's plenty.
 
No. I didn't "prove your point"... and your point has NO validity.

Look at the EXCUSE you just used. The QB was not ready to play according to what you just posted. That's coaching. They only had one WR who can make a play. That's coaching. The scheme does not get players open. That's coaching. Do you want me to go on?

So Jones is going into a shell from now on when his QB makes early mistakes? THAT IS A COACHING FLAW.

Not whining. I accept that the roster had deficiencies... NONE that excuses the loss to Vandy. That was totally on the coaches in every way, shape, and form. Jones had the better roster and was outcoached.

You MUST develop talent... it doesn't develop itself and almost no new recruits come in ready to play without development. You don't change a culture by losing games that could have been won and getting slaughtered in games that should have been closer. Stop excusing poor coaching.

No it isn't. I have not said he won't be successful. I have said that the coaching this year was bad. It was. Get over it. If you want to put blind faith in the prospect of him being much better and competitive than he was this year... then have at it. I want to see some kind of proof.

People who have a vested interest in saying nice things? OK. That's fine. You may not think I am objective... but they definitely are not.

Really? Saying that a loss to Vandy because of coaching is unacceptable "detracts" from the day when that's no longer a concern? Saying that being totally outcoached and outclassed for much of the season is unacceptable "detracts" from "where we all want to be"? I would say that 4 blow outs, a loss to Vandy, and a near miss vs So Alabama DETRACTS far more than anything I might say here.

Nothing now. He blew this opportunity. He gets two more. Hopefully he won't play not to lose this weekend and avoid a few more historic lows.

Didn't you just lecture someone about maturity? Well stop with the ridiculous hyperbole. No one... get that through your apparently 4" skull.... NO ONE suggested that he could take this roster and win the SEC.

What could he have done to get to six or 7 wins? He could have had a back up QB ready to play in the weeks since Peterman got hurt... preferrably two. He could have had more than one WR ready to make plays in a game critical to reaching the "goal" of making a bowl game that he harped about. He could have at least started playing for next year when some of the Sr's started tanking. He could have done SOMETHING schematically to get SOMEONE open against Vandy's SLOOOOOOOWWWW secondary that was down to FOUR BACK UPS in the second half.

Let me know how much more you want.... there's plenty.

Can I get a cliff notes version of this
 

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