Bashing needs to stop

#27
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CountVolcula said:
I praised Jones when he beat South Carolina because they did a good job

He will also be admonished for doing a poor job

He's had more poor than good

Ratio isnt in his favor right now
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That'd right count. You are what your record says you are! Tip of the hat to Mr Parcells
 
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SayNoToJorts said:
Did some of us really think that we were going to blow out Vandy? Did all of the neganerds that like to "keep it real" actually have higher expectations for a team with our current talent level when they have been saying we were a 5-7 team this entire time? How about we don't jump ship on our first year coach who already beat a #11 team this year, almost upset a #6 ranked team, and has coached through pretty much the hardest schedule I have ever seen. I am not saying that Butch is definitely the answer, but I am saying that some of the back seat athletic directors need to give the man some time to build our program. How easy it is for people to forget that Saban once lost to UL Monroe
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I agree with you man. The way some the fans are acting I wish Butch would move on to a fan base that would appreciate him and his staffs efforts. Neither him, player , or other coaches deserve this bashing. Honestly if we can't be patient we don't deserve a bowl game.

Anyway lets enjoy the Kentucky game and move on basketball is here.
 
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GAVol said:
Agreed. I think there are tons of hyper negative know nothings out there. But how in the world can you blame them?
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My view of the season.

We looked as expected early on with a new system. We won when we should have, looked rough in a couple of games UF/USA.

Middle of the season we made some steps with UGA and USCe which you would hope to see.

While we were outmatched against some of the later teams I thought we would compete better with Mizzou and AU. The special teams play (or lack thereof) against AU is inexcusable. Bama is on another level.

Then to Vandy. UT fielded plenty of talent to win the game. Given a week off, the motivation that should have existed (last years beating and this years bowl game), and playing at home UT had no reason to look ill prepared and sloppy. For perception sake, the Vandy and UK games only matter when you lose. Nobody makes a huge deal about beating either.

You would hope to see them finish strong against the teams they can beat at the end of the schedule.

What little talk that is circulating about firing Jones (which is very little) is silly.

I think Jones is gonna have to make some staff changes to remain here long term. The longer that is put off the chances of a long term tenure here diminishes.
 
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John Vol Jones said:
With no bowl game and our season almost to an end, I am dreading another offseason of everybody talking about how bad our record will be next year. Its going to be a long year.
At least we have the good recruiting for fans to focus on right this year.
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Are you kidding me? Almost all of these fools will be right back here in March with their 9-3 prediction threads for 2014. Should be fun.
 
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anyone that tries to convince me that losing to an inferior (talent wise) Vandy team under those circumstances is acceptable is the real Nega-Vol imo. Coaches should win winnable games. It's just that simple. When they make silly decisions with the clock and head scratching play calls, they lose games for players who did well enough to win. The defense stepped up many times, giving the offense opportunities to seal it. Coaches made decisions those opportunities, such as mismanaging the clock. Sill me for expecting more from one of the highest paid coaches in CFB. Coming in to the year, I would have been fine with a 6-6 season, but under the circumstances, I think a 7 win season should have occured. Look at what Florida is, and that game was winnable. Tell me time and time again how good Vandy is, but I don't buy it. they beat up on that Florida team that Ga Southern beat up on and that we should have beaten, they beat an ailing UGa team. They play a sorry no conf schedule. Bottom line is Saturday night, UT had several chances to win. That's just the facts. You can look at our roster and tell me 5-7 is cool, but then I will look at Vandy's roster and realize there is no way they should win in Neyland Stadium Saturday night. I refuse to tolerate that. We should expect more and we should get more. Good coaching makes a difference. Maybe Butch and staff will improve. I like him and I hope he does well, and I think he will do okay, but I refuse to look at the facts of the season and just chalk this year up to "rebuilding", "lack of depth", etc etc. When your team gets breaks, you should win. Coaches should reward their players by not making stupid decisions after said team continues to force turnovers and flip the field. I think it is beyond humorous that fans are called impatient and unrealistic for expecting a 6-6 season and a win over Vandy at home. Hilarious.

Flame away, I really don't care.
 
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fade route said:
Are you kidding me? Almost all of these fools will be right back here in March with their 9-3 prediction threads for 2014. Should be fun.
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What makes it interesting/fun is the 9-3 talk argued with the 5-7 talk.

For the record its gonna be closer to 5-7.
 
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SayNoToJorts said:
Did some of us really think that we were going to blow out Vandy?
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Yes. Based on talent, UT should have beaten VU by 3 TD's. Excuses have been used ad nauseum for how UT should not have competed with Bama, Auburn, Oregon,... because of "speed and talent". Well, UT has more speed and talent than VU and it ain't real close.

What's the excuse now?

Did all of the neganerds that like to "keep it real" actually have higher expectations for a team with our current talent level when they have been saying we were a 5-7 team this entire time?
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Properly coached, this was a 7 win roster. Six would have been "mediocre". Five wins is underutilization of the talent the roster had anyway you want to slice, dice, or spin it.

How about we don't jump ship on our first year coach who already beat a #11 team this year, almost upset a #6 ranked team, and has coached through pretty much the hardest schedule I have ever seen.
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Dooley under similar or worse circumstances and facing a very similar schedule won six games, went to a bowl and should have won if not for a fluke call, and almost beat a much BETTER LSU team. He ended up being a terrible coach who didn't know how to coach his talent.

I am not saying that Butch is definitely the answer, but I am saying that some of the back seat athletic directors need to give the man some time to build our program. How easy it is for people to forget that Saban once lost to UL Monroe
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We can't forget. That red herring is thrown out every time someone needs to excuse failure on the part of the staff.

Tell you what. He has one game left against the worst, least talented team in the SEC. This is a team that lost to WKU. If Jones doesn't come up with another "play not to lose" gameplan and blows UK out as he should... then I'll just let it go at "this staff's performance in '13 suggests it isn't the answer but let's wait and see". How's that?

He lays another egg like he has for the last 4 games straight.... deal is off.
 
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CountVolcula said:
It will be fun
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You and I agree on most issues, but seems I'm a little bit higher on Butch than you are. Honest question - do you think we've seen the best we're gonna get out of Jones? I don't. I just think too many people are jumping ship way too early.
 
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BeecherVol said:
What makes it interesting/fun is the 9-3 talk argued with the 5-7 talk.

For the record its gonna be closer to 5-7.
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If we're being honest, very few on here predicted 9 wins.

I took a poll before the season started, here:

http://www.volnation.com/forum/tennessee-vols-football/200621-ok-one-last-time-before-season.html

...as you can see, a grand total of 19 folks picked "more than 8 wins", a whole 6% of responders. Most picked 7 or 6 wins. I doubt you'll find many major program fanbases with lower standards than that.
 
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fade route said:
Are you kidding me? Almost all of these fools will be right back here in March with their 9-3 prediction threads for 2014. Should be fun.
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If well coached, this was a 7 win roster. Next year's roster looks to be worse tha this one. If this is a 4 or 5 win roster... I hate to even think about how bad next year might be.
 
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i picked tennessee to win by a 6 or less and they lost by 4.and vandy had just a little more luck than we did.and thats what it takes to win a game sometimes.so i hope they enjoy their little 2 game win streak.win 25 in a row over tennessee and then you can talk.2 is a joke.25 is saying something.
 
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GLDunlap said:
My God if I read about Alabama losing to Louisiana Monroe one more time I will freaking explode. Do you think Alabama fans were happy with that? So we should accept losing to Vanderbilt? CBJ and staff needs to know this really is unacceptable and not a post game catch phrase.
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Do you think any coach in any sport needs a bunch of disgruntled fans to tell him/her that losing is never a good thing? I'm reasonably certain that Coach Jones would have preferred a win. It is very difficult to repair a Mercedes with engine trouble with a only a screwdriver and duct tape. Gotta have the right tools to get the job done. :whistling:
 
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I have to say I am not a fan of the bashing I am frustrated tho. Still bleed orange
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fade route said:
You and I agree on most issues, but seems I'm a little bit higher on Butch than you are. Honest question - do you think we've seen the best we're gonna get out of Jones? I don't. I just think too many people are jumping ship way too early.
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I think it's funny that a lot of the posters that are jumping ship are the ones that bought 1st class tickets on the ship last Jan/Feb.
 
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sjt18 said:
If well coached, this was a 7 win roster. Next year's roster looks to be worse tha this one. If this is a 4 or 5 win roster... I hate to even think about how bad next year might be.
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If well coached, Oregon would have beaten Arizona, oh my. :eek:lol:
 
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I said it before the game and I will say it after the game Vandy is a better football team than us, take the turnovers away and its a 10 to 17 point game, we got to beat Kentucky and keep the recruiting class together then we will win again, on vandy all you got to look at is the QB play they had 2 better than our 1 and Jordan Matt. was the best player on the field, and it made me sick every time AJ made a play he went into that look at me, instead of team, I don't like saying it but this is not the same vandy that went down to the local mall to recruit like they did in the past they got some good football players.
 
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what qualifies as bashing? Is it bashing when one is upset with bad decisions? That doesn't seem like bashing, just seeing the reality of the situation. Bashing to me would be name calling, attacking, or saying how bad a coach or player is. I for one have done none of those. In fact, I don't put it on the players at all. I also haven't given up on the coaches. I just see what most see, which is questionable decision making in key points of a VERY WINNABLE ballgame. I just refuse to shrug my shoulders and point to a recruiting class. Regardless of how bad things have been in the program, you should win games that your team puts you in position to win, that is what good coaches do. Good coaches also win when they have superior talent, which UT did Saturday night. I am not saying Butch and staff aren't good coaches, I am saying that Saturday night, they did not coach well. It isn't bashing. When you are paid more than 95 percent of college coaches, I think it is reasonable for fans to expect to see some reason for that. We see it in many areas, but playcalling and game management need to improve. It's not bashing, it's just refusing to ignore reality.
 
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oregonvol said:
If we're being honest, very few on here predicted 9 wins.

I took a poll before the season started, here:

http://www.volnation.com/forum/tennessee-vols-football/200621-ok-one-last-time-before-season.html

...as you can see, a grand total of 19 folks picked "more than 8 wins", a whole 6% of responders. Most picked 7 or 6 wins. I doubt you'll find many major program fanbases with lower standards than that.
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I was talking about next year.
And for the record 9 was ridiculous this year and next too IMO.
Thats not to say it shouldn't have been better than what it is this year or next but what I see at this point.
 
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