Basillo Point about wanting Bama to lose to LSU…

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newyorkvol said:
It seems we’re in the undesirable position that whoever wins the Bama/LSU will have a playoff advantage over us.

So, we just have to win out.
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You know we're not competing with them for a spot right? There are currently 4 SEC teams in the 12 team playoff. Georgia, Texas, us, and Alabama. If either Alabama or LSU win they don't knock us out cause there's already a 4th SEC team in the field. Our concern is with teams outside the playoff field jumping us. Teams like Ole Miss, A&M, and SMU. We need Alabama to beat LSU because it helps our strength of schedule. If LSU beats Bama it devalues our only quality win and allows even a team like SMU with only 1 loss to potentially get consideration over us if we lose to Georgia. That's why we need Alabama and Georgia to win this weekend. They would knock out LSU and Ole Miss while bolstering our strength of schedule considering we play both of them.

There is zero logic in rooting against Alabama and Georgia this week. We need both of them to win.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Last year proved that if you beat Bama they'll drag you into the playoffs with them. Yes the committee will be biased toward them. A bias that has been earned by the way. But we saw last year they honored Texas victory over Alabama and kicked FSU out eventhough they were undefeated. If Alabama doesn't beat Georgia in the SEC title game Texas wouldn't have made it over undefeated FSU.

So yes both things can be right. Alabama will definitely get the benefit of the doubt over us despite our head to head win but the committee knows how bad it looks to not honor head to head. So if Bama gets in with 2 losses we'll most likely ride their coattails into the playoffs like Texas did last year. Thus there's no logical reason to root against Alabama as a Tennessee fan no matter how much some of you simple minded fans will try to say there is.
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You left out the part about why FSU was really left out.
 
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If both of our teams end up 10-2 and one is on the outside looking in, it’s gonna be Bama. They will not let them in over us. They will not only look at the head to head, but they will also look at other common opponents. If we beat Vandy, there’s a common opponent we defeated ON TOP of our head to head matchup.
 
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LAVol1 said:
I don't know. LSU losses to USC and TA&M with wins over Ole Miss, Bama and @USCe looks better than a 2-loss Vols team with the only one really good win. I would rather take my chances with the head-to-head win over Bama being the deciding factor.
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This. LSU name carries as much weight as post Saban Bama and they would legitimately have a better resume on paper. We aren’t getting in above 10-2 LSU (we both might would make it). Make them show that head to head is meaningless.

As someone else mentioned above too, Bama’s other loss (Vandy) will be a common opponent.
 
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Orange931 said:
If both of our teams end up 10-2 and one is on the outside looking in, it’s gonna be Bama. They will not let them in over us. They will not only look at the head to head, but they will also look at other common opponents. If we beat Vandy, there’s a common opponent we defeated ON TOP of our head to head matchup.
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I hearing a different story from the sports media right now. According to them, Bama has the win over Georgia and that will top the head to head match-up lost to TN, if both teams end the season 10-2. Better be rooting against Bama tomorrow.

Best in the long run if Bama ends the season 9-3 and no roads to the playoffs.
 
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loservol said:
I hearing a different story from the sports media right now. According to them, Bama has the win over Georgia and that will top the head to head match-up lost to TN, if both teams end the season 10-2. Better be rooting against Bama tomorrow.

Best in the long run if Bama ends the season 9-3 and no roads to the playoffs.
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But they’ll have to look at the other common opponent which is Vandy. If we get that win, they can’t discount that on top of head to head.
 
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Orange931 said:
But they’ll have to look at the other common opponent which is Vandy. If we get that win, they can’t discount that on top of head to head.
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The sports media and committee can call it however they want if the records are even. Based on past history and media prejudice, TN won't benefit. Only way TN would get the nod over Bama with a tied record, would be if TN beats GA and loses to Vandy and ends the season 10-2.
 
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BP4Prez said:
This. LSU name carries as much weight as post Saban Bama and they would legitimately have a better resume on paper. We aren’t getting in above 10-2 LSU (we both might would make it). Make them show that head to head is meaningless.

As someone else mentioned above too, Bama’s other loss (Vandy) will be a common opponent.
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SMDH ... LSU is not 10-2, nor will they be. And if I am wrong, will tip my hat, but don't think I will need to.
 
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jaydhugs said:
Tony Basillo made an interesting point about wanting Bama to lose to LSU.
If you have cynical view regarding the preferential treatment Bama gets and the benefits of doubt they have received in the past, you want Bama to lose.

A 10-2 Bama with a win AT LSU, AT NIGHT likely has a more impressive resume than a (hypothetical) 10-2 Tennessee, even with the head to head. We have already seen how one playoff committee uses head-to-head match-ups to pick teams; see 2022. The Bama brand still has a national media draw—more so than Tennessee, even though we are moving into the forefront—they would get in over us.

Worth a watc.

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According to the committee website head-to-head will carry extra weight.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
No. The committee just isn't impressed by us squeaking by average teams like Florida, Kentucky, and Oklahoma. If we were body bagging everyone it would be a different story. We would be ranked ahead of both Texas and Penn State. Our subpar offensive play is what they're punishing.
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They have to be impressed considering we're ranked 7th with 4 games to go. There's still undefeated teams behind us so our wins have to hold some weight or we would be behind the undefeated teams. I think style of play does play a role, but having a suffocating defense is just as important as putting up big scores. When they turn on the tape and see that defense, it's real hard to say Tennessee is not a top 12 team based on that side of the ball alone. When u have an elite defense and run game you can still be dominant, but the score just looks different.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
No. We need Bama and Georgia to win. That way our strength of schedule stays strong.
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It will strengthen our schedule if they win. But if both lose that’s 2 SEC schools removed from the playoff race. If we were to slip up along the way and finish 10-2, we know those 2 won’t be considered before us.
 
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loservol said:
The sports media and committee can call it however they want if the records are even. Based on past history and media prejudice, TN won't benefit. Only way TN would get the nod over Bama with a tied record, would be if TN beats GA and loses to Vandy and ends the season 10-2.
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Yeah, they can call it however they want, but that still doesn’t mean thats what’s right and what should be shouldn’t be talked about.
 
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Vol4ever said:
Disagree
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Edit: I messed up on LSU they play Alabama , Florida, Vandy & Oklahoma

If they have 1 sec loss and we finish 11-1 LSU takes are spot because of common opponents. They beat Arkansas.
Texas has one loss they play Arkansas , Kentucky, and Texas A&M
Texas A&M has one sec loss they play Auburn and Texas and they beat Arkansas.

If Texas/Texas A&M or LSU finish 11-1 with Tennessee. Tennessee will be out of the sec conference game.
 
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rocytop2624 said:
Lsu plays Bama and Auburn they have 1 sec loss if we finish 11-1 LSU takes are spot because of common opponents. They beat Arkansas.
Texas has one loss they play Arkansas , Kentucky, and Texas A&M
Texas A&M has one sec loss they play Auburn and Texas and they beat Arkansas.

If Texas/Texas A&M or LSU finish 11-1 with Tennessee. Tennessee will be out of the sec conference game.
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LSU is up and down. They might even get beat by Florida.
 
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BDP! said:
It will strengthen our schedule if they win. But if both lose that’s 2 SEC schools removed from the playoff race. If we were to slip up along the way and finish 10-2, we know those 2 won’t be considered before us.
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Georgia will definitely be ahead of us at 10-2. They have the best strength of schedule in the country. They'll have way better wins than us having beat Texas and Clemson. They'll also have head to head over us. Georgia losing to Ole Miss doesn't help us at all. Plus it puts Ole Miss at 10-2 with a win over Georgia ahead of us.

I don't care how much you hate Alabama and Georgia. We need them to win this weekend if we want Tennessee to be in the strongest position possible in the eyes of the playoff committee.
 
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I actually do the that the best possible outcome is :

Tennessee wins out (11-1)
LSU wins out (10-2)
Texas wins out (10-2)

LSU/Texas in the SEC Championship game

Hello 5th seeded Vols!
 
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