Basillo Point about wanting Bama to lose to LSU…

[iuvol]

Tony Basillo made an interesting point about wanting Bama to lose to LSU.
If you have cynical view regarding the preferential treatment Bama gets and the benefits of doubt they have received in the past, you want Bama to lose.

A 10-2 Bama with a win AT LSU, AT NIGHT likely has a more impressive resume than a (hypothetical) 10-2 Tennessee, even with the head to head. We have already seen how one playoff committee uses head-to-head match-ups to pick teams; see 2022. The Bama brand still has a national media draw—more so than Tennessee, even though we are moving into the forefront—they would get in over us.

Worth a watc.

Tony B Previews MSST

I would say the committee values what they want and when they want. UGA doesn’t make the playoffs after losing in the SEC championship game, the year before when TCU lost in their conference championship game, the committee said we don’t want to hold it against them. They held it again UGA. I am a VOL fan, not a UGA fan. Just an example of how they pick and choose what is relevant to them.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Bama has better wins they we do and their loss to us was by 1 score on the road. So I could definitely see Bama getting a higher ranking than us, especially if they win out.

Plus, I always want Bama to lose

Even if I agree with this how does a team currently in the playoff field hurt us? If Bama loses not only does LSU take their spot ahead of us according to your logic, but it also opens us up to get passed by other teams currently outside the playoff picture because our only quality win gets devalued greatly.

Alabama is currently in the playoffs folks. Them winning out won't kick us out. However, them losing might as our resume would be weaker. I can't believe simple logic escapes so many of you.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

The committee values big close losses, BYU has no losses and a better resume' than Boise State but Boise is ranked higher because the close loss at Oregon. To be honest I've saw Heather Dinnich contradict herself on separate interviews its according to who she's talking about very frustrating but you have to respect her for her vast unmatched football background.

What are you talking about? Boise isn't ranked ahead of BYU.

 

[VolPack22]

If LSU wins they are just going to flip them in the rankings. This game as a whole is not going to change anything for us as long as we win. If you are wanting to have both teams end with 3 losses then you would want LSU to win because they have the tougher remaining schedule.

 

[NighthawkVol]

Even if I agree with this how does a team currently in the playoff field hurt us? If Bama loses not only does LSU take their spot ahead of us according to your logic, but it also opens us up to get passed by other teams currently outside the playoff picture because our only quality win gets devalued greatly.

Alabama is currently in the playoffs folks. Them winning out won't kick us out. However, them losing might as our resume would be weaker. I can't believe simple logic escapes so many of you.

Them winning by itself doesn’t kick us out. The thought is that Tennessee losing kicks us out without some help…meaning someone else who’s currently in needs to be out. If we lose.

This whole scenario is based on Tennessee losing to Georgia.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

There’s a very simple way to think of this…

If there are only 3 SEC teams with 2 losses or less (Georgia, Texas, and Tennessee), it doesn’t matter what Tennessee’s win over Bama looks like. Why?

1) Do you think they’re going to put a 3-loss SEC team over a 2-loss Tennessee? No. Of course not. So every SEC team not named Georgia or Texas is walled off.

2) If there are only 3 SEC teams with less than 3 losses, do you think they’re going to leave 2-loss Tennessee out for a team from another conference and ONLY HAVE TWO SEC TEAMS in the CFP? Of course not. That’s laughable.

There will be at least 3 SEC teams in the CFP. Maybe 4, but at least 3. Tennessee’s best path is to be one of the top 3 options in the SEC. Therefore, Alabama, LSU, and aTm all taking a 3rd loss gets 2-loss Tennessee in, regardless of what happens in other conferences.

Use some common sense for once. There are currently 4 SEC teams in the playoff field, why would there suddenly only be 3 spots? The easiest and most logical path is to have these 4 teams win out (if possible). Obviously Georgia and Tennessee would have to beat one another. Why would we want a team who is currently outside the playoff field like LSU to take out our best win? All that would do is have LSU replace Alabama and give teams on the outside an opportunity to jump us with 2 losses as our resume would get weaker with Alabama losing.

The easiest path for us to make the playoffs with 2 losses if for Georgia, Alabama, and Texas to win out. That way they eliminate the likes of Ole Miss, Texas A&M, and LSU. We're not competing with Alabama for a playoff spot. They're currently in. We're competing with teams outside the current playoff picture like Ole Miss, A&M, and LSU. Alabama gives us the opportunity to knock out one of those teams while also continuing to bolster our resume. I don't know why so many of yall can't see this. Its obvious.

 

[temptn]

I Bama wins they are in.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Them winning by itself doesn’t kick us out. The thought is that Tennessee losing kicks us out without some help…meaning someone else who’s currently in needs to be out. If we lose.

This whole scenario is based on Tennessee losing to Georgia.

In this thought experiment we're all assuming we lose to Georgia and we fall in the rankings. The question is in which world do we fall further. The one where Alabama still has 2 losses or the one where they're a 3 loss team. My argument is simple. Alabama losing hurts us more because it devalues our only quality win. It gives the committee reason to drop us further in the rankings. If Alabama wins however we don't fall as far because having a win over a team currently in the playoff field is extremely valuable and would give us a trump card against a team like SMU who has only 1 loss but no wins over current playoff teams.

Yall need to get over this false notion that we're competing with Alabama for a spot. They're currently in the playoffs like us. We're both competing against the teams on the outside looking in. How on earth any of yall think Alabama losing helps us stay in the playoff field is beyond me. Yall are either stupid or lying to yourselves.

 

[Boca Vol]

Why is everyone talking about a two loss Tennessee team!? We are beating Georgia next week! This conversation doesn’t matter! Let’s gooooooooooooooooo!

That's the answer. Just win and none of this matters.

 

[orangebloodgmc]

We likely still need LSU to lose another game to make the SEC championship, even with a win over Georgia. Bama is probably their best shot at a loss, maybe Vandy. So I think we want Bama to lose one more, but they need to beat LSU

I doubt LSU will win at Florida.

 

[Volwonder1]

Last year proved that if you beat Bama they'll drag you into the playoffs with them. Yes the committee will be biased toward them. A bias that has been earned by the way. But we saw last year they honored Texas victory over Alabama and kicked FSU out eventhough they were undefeated. If Alabama doesn't beat Georgia in the SEC title game Texas wouldn't have made it over undefeated FSU.

So yes both things can be right. Alabama will definitely get the benefit of the doubt over us despite our head to head win but the committee knows how bad it looks to not honor head to head. So if Bama gets in with 2 losses we'll most likely ride their coattails into the playoffs like Texas did last year. Thus there's no logical reason to root against Alabama as a Tennessee fan no matter how much some of you simple minded fans will try to say there is.

No logical reason to root against bama?? Are you even a Vols fan or did you forget the blue font??? Logical lmao…tell me what fan is short for. Fanatic..
I’ll never root for bama in football or any sport

 

[ArmchairQB]

Our goal has always been ,and always should be , to win the SEC. Do that and everything else works itself out.

Would give this 10 likes. The SEC is hard. The bulk of our season is harder than some of the "playoff" games will be, in its current format. And winning the SEC, to me, is *at least* as much as a feather in the cap as a national championship is. One: win the SEC and you're probably in pole position anyway. Two: look at Georgia. They play Clemson, Alabama, Texas, Tennessee, Ole Miss. They can get to the playoffs and be like "uh yeah, we already did that this year" because half their schedule is teams in the playoff hunt.

Eventually we're going to have a playoff where an undefeated SEC champion loses to a team it beat in the regular season, maybe even twice. Who's the better team?

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

No logical reason to root against bama?? Are you even a Vols fan or did you forget the blue font??? Logical lmao…tell me what fan is short for. Fanatic..
I’ll never root for bama in football or any sport

Then say this. If your only argument is I'm a crazy fan who isn't thinking logically then cool we can end the conversation right there. Just don't tell me it's better for Tennessee's playoff chances if Alabama loses to LSU.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

I doubt LSU will win at Florida.

Doubt versus know are two different things. If LSU loses this weekend they're out. If they win there's no guarantee they lose again. Difference between LSU losing and Alabama losing is an Alabama loss while it kicks them out of the playoffs hurts our resume and potentially kicks us out of the playoffs too. An LSU loss eliminates them while bolstering our resume.

We don't need Alabama to lose 3 games to make the playoffs. They're already in right now just like us. What we need is to make sure nobody else can jump us.

 

[orangebloodgmc]

When Ole Miss loses their next one, they are out. Same for Bama. Same for LSU.

 

[BearBryant]

Tony Basillo made an interesting point about wanting Bama to lose to LSU.
If you have cynical view regarding the preferential treatment Bama gets and the benefits of doubt they have received in the past, you want Bama to lose.

A 10-2 Bama with a win AT LSU, AT NIGHT likely has a more impressive resume than a (hypothetical) 10-2 Tennessee, even with the head to head. We have already seen how one playoff committee uses head-to-head match-ups to pick teams; see 2022. The Bama brand still has a national media draw—more so than Tennessee, even though we are moving into the forefront—they would get in over us.

Worth a watc.

Tony B Previews MSST

The college football committee is a political joke. Their first release shows they view the Big10 better than the SEC. Check out the 12 members. There aren't many SEC friends on that committee. One of them has no sports background at all. It's a joke. There main goal is to make the most money for ESPN. So they don't want teams like BYU, SMU in it as their TV draw is not. Did you see how Warde Manuel (AD Michigan) justified putting Penn St. ahead of Tennessee? He said their wins over West Virginia (4-4) and USC (4-5), and their back and fourth game with Ohio St. which they lost.

These are the points to consider:
1. The committee views the Big 10 stronger than the SEC. (a joke)
2. Miami (FL) #4. (a joke) Mia beat VaTech 38-34. And if you watched that game, the replay booth won the game for Miami on the last play of the game. They beat California 39-38
3. The SEC could get only 3 teams in the playoffs.
Here's why. Barring upsets (upsets always seem to happen in November so I know this is likely). But it's going to take upsets for the SEC to be assured of getting 4 teams.
* Boise St. is a lock, this one doesn't matter.
* Notre Dame is a lock (unless they get upset)
* 4 Big 10 teams are a lock. (unless Ohio St. beats Indiana badly, Indiana might drop out of the top 12)
* BYU or Big 12 Champion is a lock. Even if BYU is beaten in conf champ game, they are likely to only take ONE Big 12 Team (the Big 12 is not a great TV draw)
* The ACC is a problem for the SEC. If Miami goes 12-0, and SMU goes 11-1. And SMU beats Miami in the ACC Championship. The committee wants Miami in the playoffs so that's 2 teams from the ACC
* So above are 9 spots taken. It only leaves 3 for the SEC.

 

[VolForLife83]

Bama is our only decent win. Id rather them finish strong and us beat UGA.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

When Ole Miss loses their next one, they are out. Same for Bama. Same for LSU.

Bama's already in the playoff field. Why would we need them to be eliminated when they're the only quality win on our resume? Some of yall lack critical reasoning skills. It doesn't help us if teams we've beat lose. It can only hurt us. We need Alabama to win out because them winning helps our resume if we lose to Georgia. If Bama loses then we'll have no quality wins. Which means other 2 loss teams could jump us. Now some might argue Bama would jump us. And? They're in the playoffs right now. Our concern shouldn't be with whose in the playoffs currently but those on the outside looking in that could jump us if we lose a second game.

 

[loservol]

Still rooting for a 3rd Bama loss and playoff elimination this week. It be like Christmas came early this year.

 

[Rocky Top T]

I want LSU to stomp the Gumps

 

[LegionnaireOfTheMiserable]

I doubt LSU will win at Florida.

Florida isn’t good and are on their third string QB.

 

[adam.vol]

You're assuming when you say they'll take a 10-2 Alabama over us. Head to head results are one of the criteria the committee is obligated to honor along with conference championships. We've yet to see them rank a team with a similar record above another despite losing to them head to head. Just last year they rated Texas above Alabama for that very reason.

That happened as you said last year between Texas and Bama, but it happened with Bama getting ranked ahead of Tennessee in 2022 despite us winning head to head and also against a common opponent.

 

[deatojl]

Bama's already in the playoff field. Why would we need them to be eliminated when they're the only quality win on our resume? Some of yall lack critical reasoning skills. It doesn't help us if teams we've beat lose. It can only hurt us. We need Alabama to win out because them winning helps our resume if we lose to Georgia. If Bama loses then we'll have no quality wins. Which means other 2 loss teams could jump us. Now some might argue Bama would jump us. And? They're in the playoffs right now. Our concern shouldn't be with whose in the playoffs currently but those on the outside looking in that could jump us if we lose a second game.

I think the biggest key is for these teams in weak conferences and/or with weak schedules to have at least one loss prior to conference championship games, which will effectively limit their chances to winning their conference. For instance, if Indiana were to lose to Michigan at home this weekend, they would need to beat Ohio State and beat Oregon in the B10 CG to make it in. BYU needs to drop a game so that the B12 CG is an elimination game. Miami needs to drop a game for the same reason. Notre Dame needs to drop another game to keep them from taking a spot. If Notre Dame is out and the B12 and ACC are limited to one spot each, that leaves 5 spots taken by conference champions and the other 7 spots to be split between the SEC and B10. There are currently only four B10 teams with even a chance at getting in. If Indiana drops out, you could very well end up with as many as six SEC teams getting in. At the very least, that would put us comfortably in as long as we don't finish with more than two losses.

 

[SGMVols]

Tony Basillo made an interesting point about wanting Bama to lose to LSU.
If you have cynical view regarding the preferential treatment Bama gets and the benefits of doubt they have received in the past, you want Bama to lose.

A 10-2 Bama with a win AT LSU, AT NIGHT likely has a more impressive resume than a (hypothetical) 10-2 Tennessee, even with the head to head. We have already seen how one playoff committee uses head-to-head match-ups to pick teams; see 2022. The Bama brand still has a national media draw—more so than Tennessee, even though we are moving into the forefront—they would get in over us.

Worth a watc.

Tony B Previews MSST

The reason they put Bama ahead of us in ‘22 despite the head to head was because we lost Hendon

 

[tcash051]

Good points made by many. The 2022 situation with Bama getting in was compounded by our terrible loss to South Carolina. Even though we had won the head to head, we lost our QB in South Carolina and it wasn't close. Had it been a close came with Hooker not injured, we MIGHT have gotten in. While Texas A&M has two losses, the embarrassing loss to South Carolina last weekend, virtually eliminates them, unless there are a multitude of upsets. I think has 10-2 Tennessee team is probably in, unless we have an embarrassing loss. With our defense, that seems less likely. I would be concerned about an 11-1 SMU beating an undefeated Miami> It seems to me that both Clemson and Texas A&M were probably eliminated last weekend. LSU or Alabama will be eliminated this weekend. Georgia could still be in with a loss this weekend, if they win out, but Ole Miss would be eliminated with a loss.