(Basketball) Just for fun. Which would you take?

#76
#76
SJAVol32 said:
What happened within that year with Tobias that became a huge distraction? If I remember correctly we started 7-0 and was up to 7th in the rankings before all the stuff with Bruce happened.
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We were ranked 7th until a bad loss to Oakland and then on a very inconsistent
 
#78
#78
johnnybravo said:
That's what happens when you gamble.

Coach leaves
Coach get's fired
Torn ACL
Team doesn't gel
Anything can happen when you gamble.

If you are KY, KS, NC, Duke, etc...then why not take the gamble. You've had the Final 4 experience and have been there many times. To never have it, then how could you gamble it away.
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Idk I just think of the future. I totally get what you're saying though. Final Four and a championship is the ultimate goal, but idk if losing all that and having to rebuild would be best for the program.
 
#79
#79
johnnybravo said:
I wonder who would have said in the beginning of 2009 what would you rather have?

A. UT's gets it's first Elite 8 and barely loses

B. UT gets Tobias Harris and all bets off on how far UT goes in 2011
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Call me an idiot but I'd pick B. it's kinda nice having a starting Forward in the NBA that's VFL
 
#80
#80
SJAVol32 said:
Idk I just think of the future. I totally get what you're saying though. Final Four and a championship is the ultimate goal, but idk if losing all that and having to rebuild would be best for the program.
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We would have to do it again if Looney, Stokes and Hubbs left the following year.

Either rebuild after Maymon, Barton, McRae, Stokes
Or rebuild after Looney, Hubbs, Stokes
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Anyone saying it's absolutely A no questions asked is equally as unintelligent. As I've said multiple times in this thread, there's plenty of teams who have made one final four and it didn't catapult them into a top 20 program with top recruits lining up at their doorstep.
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It's a joke bud. And besides, why would anyone take a prospect over a Final Four? That's what Al Davis would do if he ran a college basketball team. Balls to the wall on recruiting elite potential while forsaking on the field/court success?

As a fan, I'd rather enjoy the experience of seeing my favorite sports program make it to its first final four, regardless of what does or doesn't come of it rather than take a chance on landing a potentially great prospect.

In this scenario, we act like Looney is some sort of savior. I'd argue that this year is go time. Which combination is going to take you further: McRae, Maymon, Stokes, and the rest of the crew (option A) or Stokes, Looney, and the rest of the crew (option B).
 
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#84
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Stoked4Zo said:
Nope, but it's an elite 8...nothing really to brag about. Having a potential star in the league is more to brag about than an E8 IMO.
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?? Who cares about bragging rights? Did you enjoy watching JP Prince stuff the ball down Evan Turner's throat to send us to that that E8? Probably my most enjoyable sports viewing moment in 10 years. I was jumping up and down, slamming my hat on the ground, first pumping, and throwing double birds to the Ohio St. crew repeatedly...went on for about 20 minutes after the game ended. That's why we watch sports.
 
#85
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johnnybravo said:
So, saying that, then you take out of the equation that the Final 4 this year or the following with Looney doesn't propel UT into a top 20 program. So, why gamble the final 4 this year just to have Looney 1 year. Tobias was here one year and he was here then gone so quick I barely even remember him here. Potentially, if you are saying that the NCAA tourney run doesn't correlate to increase recruiting capabilities, then why gamble away success that UT has never seen? Just curious?
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If it was JUST the matter of landing looney and not Stokes rerunning, I would agree. IMO adding Looney, and Stokes returning, we would have a better team next year than we do this year, at least talent wise at the top.

So I would take a good season this year, trip to the dance, say all the way to the elite 8. Then stokes announces his return, Looney headlining a top 15 class, and we are preseason top 10 next year.

IMO that would be better for the program than final four this year, and nit next year. It's all how each person sees both seasons playing out...if you see elite 8 this year then it's an easy choice IMO. If you think next years team is Sweet 16 good without looney or stokes, then you'd go with option 1 probably. It's gonna depend on what each persons opinion is as to how each scenario would play out with and then without those guys:

Hopefully that makes sense, I was kinda rambling.
 
#86
#86
johnnybravo said:
I wonder who would have said in the beginning of 2009 what would you rather have?

A. UT's gets it's first Elite 8 and barely loses

B. UT gets Tobias Harris and all bets off on how far UT goes in 2011
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2 things:

1. You're great undervaluing the impact of Stokes returning IMO. If option 2 was JUST landing Looney, I'd go option 1 all day. However, returning Stokes onto a team that's only weakness is a post presence is very intriguing IMO.

2. I think this is really cool to see, because I'm pretty sure the answers people are given are greatly split by age. Obviously there's some exceptions, but the younger crowd seems to favor option 2, while the older crowd prefers option 1.
 
#87
#87
MannyD said:
?? Who cares about bragging rights? Did you enjoy watching JP Prince stuff the ball down Evan Turner's throat to send us to that that E8? Probably my most enjoyable sports viewing moment in 10 years. I was jumping up and down, slamming my hat on the ground, first pumping, and throwing double birds to the Ohio St. crew repeatedly...went on for about 20 minutes after the game ended. That's why we watch sports.
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Well yeah, my bro is an ohio st fan so yeah it felt good.
 
#88
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johnnybravo said:
We would have to do it again if Looney, Stokes and Hubbs left the following year.

Either rebuild after Maymon, Barton, McRae, Stokes
Or rebuild after Looney, Hubbs, Stokes
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Better chance of filling the talent with some top recruits after Looney Hubbs and Stokes then you do after Maymon Barton McRae and Stokes. No?
 
#91
#91
MannyD said:
It's a joke bud. And besides, why would anyone take a prospect over a Final Four? That's what Al Davis would do if he ran a college basketball team. Balls to the wall on recruiting elite potential while forsaking on the field/court success?

As a fan, I'd rather enjoy the experience of seeing my favorite sports program make it to its first final four, regardless of what does or doesn't come of it rather than take a chance on landing a potentially great prospect.

In this scenario, we act like Looney is some sort of savior. I'd argue that this year is go time. Which combination is going to take you further: McRae, Maymon, Stokes, and the rest of the crew (option A) or Stokes, Looney, and the rest of the crew (option B).
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Option B is a better roster IMO than option A, so off talent alone, option A. I would argue that:

Thompson/Austin
Hubbs
Richardson
Looney
Stokes

Is a more talented 6 than:

Barton
McRae
Richardson
Maymon
Stokes
 
#92
#92
When I chose B, it included a final 4 for UT next year. But it would be nice if McRae got to experience a final 4 while he was here.
 
#94
#94
bleedingTNorange said:
If it was JUST the matter of landing looney and not Stokes rerunning, I would agree. IMO adding Looney, and Stokes returning, we would have a better team next year than we do this year, at least talent wise at the top.

So I would take a good season this year, trip to the dance, say all the way to the elite 8. Then stokes announces his return, Looney headlining a top 15 class, and we are preseason top 10 next year.

IMO that would be better for the program than final four this year, and nit next year. It's all how each person sees both seasons playing out...if you see elite 8 this year then it's an easy choice IMO. If you think next years team is Sweet 16 good without looney or stokes, then you'd go with option 1 probably. It's gonna depend on what each persons opinion is as to how each scenario would play out with and then without those guys:

Hopefully that makes sense, I was kinda rambling.
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If Stokes leaves as a Senior, then that class is going to be insane with talent. Stokes may not even get drafted if that's the case, if he has to come back for his Senior year. That alone will hurt CCM in recruiting. I'd much rather take the given that Stokes "is" in the NBA and a final four, then gambling on his possiblity of not getting drafted and no final four.
 
#98
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Ok let me add to the OP, because it seems it's really gonna depend on how you see each seasons playing out so...

Option 1: Final Four this year. You lose Stokes after the year and miss on Looney. You take your chances on making the dance with next years squad...

Option 2: Sweet 16 this year. Looney commits to Tennessee and Stokes announces he's returning for his senior season. You have a preseason top 10 team going into next season.
 
#99
#99
bleedingTNorange said:
Just like there's no guarantee a final four this year will catapult the program where you want it. Martin may return to the NIT the following 2 years and then be shown the door, making the final four trip pretty ineffective.
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Maybe, but I got to see my team go to the final four in my lifetime. A final four is never ineffective. It hangs from the rafters for eternity.
 
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#100
#100
johnnybravo said:
Maybe, but I got to see my team go to the final four in my lifetime. No final four is ineffective. It hangs from the rafters for eternity.
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right, I can definitely understand the case for option 1. The divide definitely seems to coincide with the age, I can see where the older generation is all about now.
 
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