Beck must have more than a few fans.

#27
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Dr Dread said:
http://davidkirkpatrick.wordpress.com/2010/08/29/the-size-of-becks-rally-on-the-mall/</H3>I tend to believe the numbers provided by AirPhotosLive over Beck's, given the fact that they are experts in this field and have no apparent agenda that could lead to them manipulating their estimate one way or the other.

Let the debate begin.
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Some stupid woman shows up in Crawfordsville to protest Bush with 30 people and it gets coverage for days and is sold as a groundswell against the war. Beck draws 10's if not 100's of thousands and the MSM tries to minimize and marginalize.

The propaganda effort is still in full bloom.
 
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Oldvol75 said:
But that just your opinion, there seem to be alot more that believe in existence.
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A lot more people voted for Obama. Does that make them right?

And how is it that "everyone is against God" etc. but then also most people are believers? Seems like you are talking out of both sides of your mouth on this.
 
#29
#29
sjt18 said:
Some stupid woman shows up in Crawfordsville to protest Bush with 30 people and it gets coverage for days and is sold as a groundswell against the war. Beck draws 10's if not 100's of thousands and the MSM tries to minimize and marginalize.

The propaganda effort is still in full bloom.
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Who is tying to marginalize close to 100k people? That's quite a few people no matter how you look at it. The point I'm trying to make is that when groups try to inflate their numbers, they take away from their massage.

Same thing happened with the Million Man March. They spent so much time trying to defend inflated numbers that it took away from the actual success of their event. And they of course blamed the mainstream media.
 
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#30
IPorange said:
A lot more people voted for Obama. Does that make them right?

And how is it that "everyone is against God" etc. but then also most people are believers? Seems like you are talking out of both sides of your mouth on this.
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No. And from the sounds of it, there are some that would take it back if they could.

As to the second, unless I missed it, I didn't see where he stated that "everyone is against God".
 
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IPorange said:
A lot more people voted for Obama. Does that make them right?

And how is it that "everyone is against God" etc. but then also most people are believers? Seems like you are talking out of both sides of your mouth on this.
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"Everyone is against God" it's a term used by superficial folks who don't want Christianity viewed as the majority.

There's much more room to complain and negotiate when you're the "underdog."
 
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BeecherVol said:
No. And from the sounds of it, there are some that would take it back if they could.

As to the second, unless I missed it, I didn't see where he stated that "everyone is against God".
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Other threads. Maybe it's bad internet form on my part, but I remember and carry over what people said in various threads I have followed.
 
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sjt18 said:
Some stupid woman shows up in Crawfordsville to protest Bush with 30 people and it gets coverage for days and is sold as a groundswell against the war. Beck draws 10's if not 100's of thousands and the MSM tries to minimize and marginalize.

The propaganda effort is still in full bloom.
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I swear, there must be some kind of right-wing flow chart where all arguments end at "blame the main stream media".
 
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Dr Dread said:
http://davidkirkpatrick.wordpress.com/2010/08/29/the-size-of-becks-rally-on-the-mall/</H3>I tend to believe the numbers provided by AirPhotosLive over Beck's, given the fact that they are experts in this field and have no apparent agenda that could lead to them manipulating their estimate one way or the other.

Let the debate begin.
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First of all AirPhtoLive was commissioned by the
Communist Broadcastin System, the same CBS
who told us Castro was a friend of America by
Dan Blather and who had Walter Cronkrike tell
us the tet offensive was a victory for the viet
cong when it was a devestating defeat for them
that set them back two years.

Who knows what lies they told us during the f
orgotten war of Korea but no doubt they did
lie as always.

So there goes your credibility down the drain.

ed-frank-photo.jpg


An AP photo from early in the day before many
more arrived as shadows tell and anyone who has
any competence at all will tell you that is a minimum
of 230,000 are there, there may have been as many
as 600,000 who made an appearance sometime
during the day.

There is no doubt in any objective mind that CBS
is lying through their teeth!!
 
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Unimane said:
I swear, there must be some kind of right-wing flow chart where all arguments end at "blame the main stream media".
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it comes from the same printing company that provides the left with "Blame America" and "Blame Bush First" flow charts.
 
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MG1968 said:
it comes from the same printing company that provides the left with "Blame America" and "Blame Bush First" flow charts.
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You left out all the evil folks who make over 250k, who are now finally going to pay back all those who make less.
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#42
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MG1968 said:
it comes from the same printing company that provides the left with "Blame America" and "Blame Bush First" flow charts.
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Eh, I might give you the Bush part, but the "I hate America" BS is well overplayed by the right wingers. What's really happening is the typical cognitive dissonance of the right where they will weep for their passionate love of the conception of America they've conjured in their mind, while hating the reality of America today. Kind of like FoxNews correspondents always railing on the "MSM" when touting their media dominance in the next breath.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
You left out all the evil folks who make over 250k, who are now finally going to pay back all those who make less.
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Yeah, gotta love all those virtuous company heads who vote themselves higher bonuses with stimulus money while creating no new jobs.

Besides, the beef isn't with the people who make $250,000+, it's the disastrous and ill advised cutting of their taxes under Bush.
 
#44
#44
Unimane said:
Yeah, gotta love all those virtuous company heads who vote themselves higher bonuses with stimulus money while creating no new jobs.

Besides, the beef isn't with the people who make $250,000+, it's the disastrous and ill advised cutting of their taxes under Bush.
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Those company heads sure represent an enormous swath of those being bent over by the current idiot manning the helm.

Those tax cuts were so disastrous that we're now strongly considering keeping them, at the behest of some very bright economics types. There is no way you can possibly believe that anything other than spending is the true culprit. Bush is the bane of many conservatives because the idiot spent truckloads buying votes.
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#45
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gsvol said:
First of all AirPhtoLive was commissioned by the
Communist Broadcastin System, the same CBS
who told us Castro was a friend of America by
Dan Blather and who had Walter Cronkrike tell
us the tet offensive was a victory for the viet
cong when it was a devestating defeat for them
that set them back two years.

Who knows what lies they told us during the f
orgotten war of Korea but no doubt they did
lie as always.

So there goes your credibility down the drain.

ed-frank-photo.jpg


An AP photo from early in the day before many
more arrived as shadows tell and anyone who has
any competence at all will tell you that is a minimum
of 230,000 are there, there may have been as many
as 600,000 who made an appearance sometime
during the day.

There is no doubt in any objective mind that CBS
is lying through their teeth!!
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You shouldn't use any form of the word "credible" until you explain how you came up with your "84% of Americans disapprove of Obama" statement.

The glory of forums like this is that you can't run from your statements.

And as for the picture that you show; it goes right toward what I stated in my post. That is a lot of people their. I can't begin to tell you how many it is' but they came to Beck's rally. So why should he get caught in debating the numbers. Just show the pictures and call it a success.

And Lord knows I wish it wasn't.
 
#46
#46
Consensus has never determined truth. True is true if no one believes it... un-truth is untrue if everyone (including the supposed best scientists) believes it.

I really like IPO but he and I have already had this round. He reasons that God does not exist. I believe that position to be logically untenable as well as in conflict with the direct experiences of many people including myself. Even if I weren't Christian, I do not think a have a sufficient capacity for faith to be an atheist or evolutionist.
 
#47
#47
DinkinFlicka said:
Socially speaking (in America)? Yes, it most certainly is. You would have to immerse yourself in the real world as an atheist to know how it is.
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It is NOT easy to be a biblical Christian in this society. YOU would have to immerse yourself in the real world of someone seriously trying to live with Christ as Lord of their life to know how it is.

FWIW, Barna suggests the number of biblical Christians is around 7-14% of the US population. IIRC, that isn't much more than atheists.
 
#48
#48
Unimane said:
I swear, there must be some kind of right-wing flow chart where all arguments end at "blame the main stream media".
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No. Just a recognition that how someone sees and reports something is influenced by their worldview. The MSM votes about 90% Dem with part of the rest voting something even further left. They see crisis everywhere and believe gov't should answer every crisis. They neither like nor understand conservative Christians nor the grass roots, salt of the earth types that show up for Tea Party rallies or like Beck, Limbaugh, Hannity, et al.

If they acknowledged their bias openly then I would actually trust them more. They would be conscious of it. Since they either deny it or want to hide it, I trust them very, very little... and especially when reporting on things like this. This is a group that tried to ignore the TP protests for a long time before finally turning and starting to condemn them.

Bottom line: They don't want Beck or the TP to exist... and they certainly do not want to acknowledge how large and mainstream it is.
 
#49
#49
Unimane said:
Eh, I might give you the Bush part, but the "I hate America" BS is well overplayed by the right wingers. What's really happening is the typical cognitive dissonance of the right where they will weep for their passionate love of the conception of America they've conjured in their mind, while hating the reality of America today.
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Wow. You apparently don't know A) as much as you think about the America of today or B) that you contradicted yourself. The left "DOES" hate America. You don't go to rallies and treat Obama like a rock star while he's promising to fundamentally transform America if you LOVE what America is.
Kind of like FoxNews correspondents always railing on the "MSM" when touting their media dominance in the next breath.
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No one denies that Fox is right of center though their straight news is more objective and truthful than any I've seen recently. Fox doesn't even deny that they are right of center. The reason they're so popular... is they are a unique product in a right of center country.
 
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