Beck must have more than a few fans.

[gsvol]

You shouldn't use any form of the word "credible" until you explain how you came up with your "84% of Americans disapprove of Obama" statement.

The glory of forums like this is that you can't run from your statements.

And as for the picture that you show; it goes right toward what I stated in my post. That is a lot of people their. I can't begin to tell you how many it is' but they came to Beck's rally. So why should he get caught in debating the numbers. Just show the pictures and call it a success.

And Lord knows I wish it wasn't.

Blah blah blah.

I did link the WSJ article that quotes Rasmussen
as saying that 84% of the voter say that they
think Obambi has the country headed in the
wrong direction.

A lot of people where???

What's in their pockets do you think??

WE AIM TO PLEASE!!

 

[Chattaben]

After watching some of the clips from Beck's rally, I thought it was pretty funny that a Mormon was telling Christians what's wrong with certain views within Christianity, namely liberation theology. Really, a guy that is a Mormon (which is not a Christian faith) telling Christians that a certain Christian theology is a "perversion?"

 

[Unimane]

Those company heads sure represent an enormous swath of those being bent over by the current idiot manning the helm.

Those tax cuts were so disastrous that we're now strongly considering keeping them, at the behest of some very bright economics types. There is no way you can possibly believe that anything other than spending is the true culprit. Bush is the bane of many conservatives because the idiot spent truckloads buying votes.
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The tax cuts are being reconsidered because the Democrats are pansies who buckle at every rabid populist attack by the Republicans, not because they have some intrinsic value. A lot of "very bright economic types" have labeled them as a disaster, especially when they cost billions of dollars of revenue.

Obama's been a far sight better than Bush, but he's failed in the sense that he didn't take the stimulus far enough, as people like Krugman and Volkler advocated in the first place. Basic economic sense states the government spends in an economic downturn and conserves in an upswing.

 

[Unimane]

Wow. You apparently don't know A) as much as you think about the America of today or B) that you contradicted yourself. The left "DOES" hate America. You don't go to rallies and treat Obama like a rock star while he's promising to fundamentally transform America if you LOVE what America is.

No one denies that Fox is right of center though their straight news is more objective and truthful than any I've seen recently. Fox doesn't even deny that they are right of center. The reason they're so popular... is they are a unique product in a right of center country.

That's the biggest bunch of BS and spewed constantly by the right. Basically, if you don't conform to the version of America conjured by the right, you are "hating America". And, the right has been so virulently irrational in their hatred of Obama that the concept that supporting Obama means you hate America and that he wants to fundamentally change America is beyond ridiculous, although par for the course for the hysteria plaguing the right today.

Otherwise, stating Fox is anything near objective and truthful is a affront to both ideals. People watch Fox because they pioneered the entertainment news business and cater to the paranoid right. You want to be informed by real and reliable news sources, watch PBS. You won't be entertained by some moronic bastardization of an historical topic by a megalomaniac kook, but you will have a better sense of the real world.

 

[volinbham]

Basic economic sense states the government spends in an economic downturn and conserves in an upswing.

If you are a Keynesian. And since when has our government "conserved" in an upswing?

 

[volinbham]

That's the biggest bunch of BS and spewed constantly by the right. Basically, if you don't conform to the version of America conjured by the right, you are "hating America". And, the right has been so virulently irrational in their hatred of Obama that the concept that supporting Obama means you hate America and that he wants to fundamentally change America is beyond ridiculous, although par for the course for the hysteria plaguing the right today.

Wait a minute - you criticize the hyperbole of the right by using the hyperbole of the left. Awesome, well done.

 

[Unimane]

If you are a Keynesian. And since when has our government "conserved" in an upswing?

Never.....but they should. Too many special interests groups to cater and, of course, maintaining a military that is larger than the next ten militaries combined is absolutely vital to our survival.

 

[Unimane]

Wait a minute - you criticize the hyperbole of the right by using the hyperbole of the left. Awesome, well done.

Really? So, he didn't just say liberals hate America? And, yes, accusations of hating America are quite prevalent in conservative rallies whereas I have yet to see a flag burning or "America is the great Satan"-type speech at one of the liberal events I have attended.

 

[volinbham]

I still contend your "basic economic sense" comment is not basic economic sense unless you are a Keynesian. It's also too simple of a prescription which doesn't account for the reasons for a particular business cycle.

 

[NYYVol]

Never.....but they should. Too many special interests groups to cater and, of course, maintaining a military that is larger than the next ten militaries combined is absolutely vital to our survival.

Thankfully, you've never served this country.
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[volinbham]

Really? So, he didn't just say liberals hate America? And, yes, accusations of hating America are quite prevalent in conservative rallies whereas I have yet to see a flag burning or "America is the great Satan"-type speech at one of the liberal events I have attended.

he said the left hates (irrationally implied) America and you countered with the right hates (irrationality stated) Obama and all who support him.

I'd say that's a pot and kettle.

 

[Unimane]

Thankfully, you've never served this country.
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Actually, I have, but not in the sense you might think. Anything in particular you have an issue with in regards to my statement about military spending?

I do get the sense that your intentions will fit under my previous description of the narrow conception of what America is.

 

[Unimane]

he said the left hates (irrationally implied) America and you countered with the right hates (irrationality stated) Obama and all who support him.

I'd say that's a pot and kettle.

Uh, no. The two are not even remotely equal. I'd say the numbers of the left hating America are significantly less than the numbers on the right hating "Obama and his supporters". Hell, a fifth of them think he's trying to establish Sharia Law. I'd say there's quite a bit of irrationality happening.

Anyway, sorry I'm not being as nuanced as you like. It's not as if I have 10 pages to parse through my exact opinions.

 

[NYYVol]

Actually, I have, but not in the sense you might think. Anything in particular you have an issue with in regards to my statement about military spending?

My post was directed in the most part to your gibberish about not putting your life on the line and the "no heroes" crap you spewed earlier today.

The post I quoted was just you reiterating said gibberish.
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[Unimane]

My post was directed in the most part to your gibberish about not putting your life on the line and the "no heroes" crap you spewed earlier today.

The post I quoted was just you reiterating said gibberish.
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Ahhh yes, the one about not laying my life on the line for some BS political war that has nothing to do with the safety and security of my country, nor my "freedom". That one?

Hey, if you want to get snapped up by some sniper because Lyndon Johnson wants to look tough on communism in a war that has no real relevance on the lives of Americans, be my guest. I'm not interested. I'm also not interested in fighting some war just because Bush prattles on about some non-existant threat to our "freedom".

However, if there's any real threat or time to do so, then I'm in.

My point in the earlier post was that I have seen family members in the military, though.

 

[volinbham]

Uh, no. The two are not even remotely equal. I'd say the numbers of the left hating America are significantly less than the numbers on the right hating "Obama and his supporters". Hell, a fifth of them think he's trying to establish Sharia Law. I'd say there's quite a bit of irrationality happening.

Anyway, sorry I'm not being as nuanced as you like. It's not as if I have 10 pages to parse through my exact opinions.

You criticized a hyperbolic statement by using a hyperbolic statement and you continue to do so. If you don't see the similarities then I'm quite sure I can't point them out to you.

 

[NYYVol]

Ahhh yes, the one about not laying my life on the line for some BS political war that has nothing to do with the safety and security of my country, nor my "freedom". That one?

Hey, if you want to get snapped up by some sniper because Lyndon Johnson wants to look tough on communism in a war that has no real relevance on the lives of Americans, be my guest. I'm not interested. I'm also not interested in fighting some war just because Bush prattles on about some non-existant threat to our "freedom".

However, if there's any real threat or time to do so, then I'm in.

My point in the earlier post was that I have seen family members in the military, though.

You have an extremely distorted view on just and unjust war.

Can't say I'm shocked.
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[Unimane]

You criticized a hyperbolic statement by using a hyperbolic statement and you continue to do so. If you don't see the similarities then I'm quite sure I can't point them out to you.

Ugh, fine. Would you prefer if I added qualifiers like "irrationality palguing much of the right" next time?

 

[Unimane]

You have an extremely distorted view on just and unjust war.

Can't say I'm shocked.
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Really? So, the fact that we lost the Vietnam War and the Iraq War turned into a complete mess, yet both had absolutely zero effect on your rights and safety as an American not convince you? Alright, if you want to follow the bouncing ball whenever some politician says fetch, good luck.

Me? I'd sign up after Pearl Harbor, but not the Gulf of Tonkin.

 

[NYYVol]

Really? So, the fact that we lost the Vietnam War and the Iraq War turned into a complete mess, yet both had absolutely zero effect on your rights and safety as an American not convince you? Alright, if you want to follow the bouncing ball whenever some politician says fetch, good luck.

Me? I'd sign up after Pearl Harbor, but not the Gulf of Tonkin.

I'm thankful people like you haven't served.
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[volinbham]

Ugh, fine. Would you prefer if I added qualifiers like "irrationality palguing much of the right" next time?

I would still say it's an over the top statement with that is not based in truth and shows a lack of understanding of others' positions and motivations. But it seems to work for you so go for it. :hi:

 

[Unimane]

I'm thankful people like you haven't served.
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Spare me your sanctimonious bullsh-t. And, in fact, I have served as a Peace Corps Volunteer, but anyway. My point still stands about the manipulation of the public by using the service of soldiers to mask wars of political opportunity and then have those soldiers are discarded when they serve their time.

 

[NYYVol]

Spare me your sanctimonious bullsh-t. And, in fact, I have served as a Peace Corps Volunteer, but anyway. My point still stands about the manipulation of the public by using the service of soldiers to mask wars of political opportunity and then have those soldiers are discarded when they serve their time.

Spare me your peace corps bull. You, and your whiny ass kind, speaking on "the behalf of the soldiers" makes me want to vomit.
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[Unimane]

Spare me your peace corps bull. You, and your whiny ass kind, speaking on "the behalf of the soldiers" makes me want to vomit.
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Who's whining or "speaking on behalf" of the soldiers? Your self-righteous atttitude and mindless following of any progaganda is pathetic and disgusts me, for what it's worth.

And, my Peace Corps service is something I'm very proud of doing, representing my country in a place that rarely sees anything of my country, so you can suck it on that note.

 

[NYYVol]

Who's whining or "speaking on behalf" of the soldiers? Your self-righteous atttitude and mindless following of any progaganda is pathetic and disgusts me, for what it's worth.

And, my Peace Corps service is something I'm very proud of doing, representing my country in a place that rarely sees anything of my country, so you can suck it on that note.

Yea I'm the one for propaganda. You've got this moron thing down pat.
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