Beck must have more than a few fans.

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VOLatile said:
Glenn Beck is a douche proclaiming to turn America to his ideals. Claiming America needs to turn back to god, but America wasn't founded on religion. It was founded by deists and atheists.
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Does it take a douche bag to know a douche bag???

Your pusillanimitous vituperation is poppycock and misdirected.

BTW you are wrong about the founding fathers but even if you were right, one thing is for sure, it wasn't founded by muslims!!

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached."
- Manuel II Palelologus
 
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VOLatile said:
Glenn Beck is a douche proclaiming to turn America to his ideals. Claiming America needs to turn back to god, but America wasn't founded on religion. It was founded by deists and atheists.
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I sincerely hope you were being facetious... You were... Weren't you?

There were NO atheist founders. I believe Paine was an agnostic. Franklin was largely a deist but if someone in politics today referenced or credited God as much as he did... they'd be labeled a member of the Christian Right. Jefferson was not an orthodox Christian but he wasn't a deist either. FWIW, he faithfully attended a Baptist church weekly during his entire Presidency.

The vast majority of the founders were orthodox protestant Christians. Several had graduated divinity schools. They prayed before, during, and after meeting together. Their writings and arguments are full of references to God, Christianity, Christian mores and ethics, and the Christian Bible.

While they intentionally did not institutionalize any particular religious sect, the argument that the founding group was not thoroughly dominated by men operating from a very orthodox Christian point of view is simply but TOTALLY false.

America was founded on ideals that reflected the worldviews of the Founders. They drew from history including classic civilizations like Greece for their form of Gov't. However, their Christian worldview was also expressed and certainly not contradicted by the import of other ideals. The principle thing they pushed that we should be thankful for but the left/progressives have relentlessly tried to destroy... is the rights of the sovereign individual.

The fundamental difference between conservatives/constitutionalists and Progressives/statists can be boiled down to "Who do rights belong to?" The USC and conservatives say the individual as endowed by Nature's God. The Progressive/liberal says various groups as created by gov't. It is at its root a debate between Theism and Humanism.
 
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there were no outright atheists but there were people who were suspected of being one. Adams and Franklin wrote about them. No way they could have been accepted in that time period so they most likely kept it quiet
 
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PoochPunt3rdDown said:
He gleaned his political philosophy from one guy.
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Who? And again, so what? Do you automatically believe group think rather than a voice of dissent that justifies his points with factual references?

Please demonstrate his philosophy incorrect or not consistent with the founder's ideals as he claims.

I think Beck at times spins his conspiracy theories too much. He uses guilt by association and circumstantial "proofs" too often.

But most what he contends about history and the founders is documented with facts. My military history teacher said something years ago that has always stuck in my mind when approaching consensus opinions and such... "The winners always write the history books."

Progressives "won" in the early 20th century. They used control of academia, media, and both parties to revise or obscure inconvenient history. FDR was marketed as a hero of the working man even though his "Progressive" policies extended the Depression for years.

Now because of the availability of first generation resources and such, that lost history is making a comeback to offer a REAL alternative to Progressives (Dems) and Progressive-lite (Republicans).
 
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utvolpj said:
there were no outright atheists but there were people who were suspected of being one. Adams and Franklin wrote about them. No way they could have been accepted in that time period so they most likely kept it quiet
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You write about Gator fans, right?

Deism was a popular notion in a few corners at the time. Had they lived in a different time then they might have been atheists... but they would NOT have held the same worldview or proposed the same founding ideals.
 
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speaking of uneducated buffoons, Ed Schultz is claiming that he could draw more than 300k to the National Mall without breaking a sweat.

Psycho Talk: Jealous Ed Schultz Claims He Could Easily Rally 300k on National Mall | NewsBusters.org

of course, he'd have to have the help of the big national labor unions

I know that I could get Leo Gerard, i could get the Service Employees International Union, I could get AFSCME, I could get all these--I guarantee you, I could do more than 300,000! It ain't a big deal!
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MG1968 said:
speaking of uneducated buffoons, Ed Schultz is claiming that he could draw more than 300k to the National Mall without breaking a sweat.

Psycho Talk: Jealous Ed Schultz Claims He Could Easily Rally 300k on National Mall | NewsBusters.org

of course, he'd have to have the help of the big national labor unions
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That might be half of what was at the Beck gathering.

One of those there commented that the Washington transit authority shut down at least one train track and that they started out to the gathering at 7:30AM and didn't get there until 2:30PM.

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BigPapaVol said:
I can understand that, but the guy is a media personality and making all the hay he can. He's been pretty savvy about it, fwiw.

I don't get the lowest common denominator piece? Who is the LCD?
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You don't have to be formally educated to be a smart businessman. The man never graduated college, IIRC.

He's no moron, and he sure knows how to make money peddling fanatical, god-given bullcrap to millions of folks.

Sure, there a tons of pissed off Americans. I don't see anything special about that rally. It wouldn't be too hard for someone as prominent as he to draw out a crowd that large, folks. This won't even be a footnote in the history books.
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
You don't have to be formally educated to be a smart businessman. The man never graduated college, IIRC.

He's no moron, and he sure knows how to make money peddling fanatical, god-given bullcrap to millions of folks.

Sure, there a tons of pissed off Americans. I don't see anything special about that rally. It wouldn't be too hard for someone as prominent as he to draw out a crowd that large, folks. This won't even be a footnote in the history books.
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Unfortunately for many in the secular, uber-progressive realm, he's peddling something that resonates with many Americans.
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
You don't have to be formally educated to be a smart businessman. The man never graduated college, IIRC.

He's no moron, and he sure knows how to make money peddling fanatical, god-given bullcrap to millions of folks.

Sure, there a tons of pissed off Americans. I don't see anything special about that rally. It wouldn't be too hard for someone as prominent as he to draw out a crowd that large, folks. This won't even be a footnote in the history books.
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Why is it bs?
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Tell me this guy didn't nail liberals:

"Experience should teach us to be most on our guard to protect liberty when the government's purposes are beneficient... The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well meaning but without understanding."

-- Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis
 
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sjt18 said:
Tell me this guy didn't nail liberals:

"Experience should teach us to be most on our guard to protect liberty when the government's purposes are beneficient... The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well meaning but without understanding."

-- Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis
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"A nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people."
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BigPapaVol said:
Unfortunately for many in the secular, uber-progressive realm, he's peddling something that resonates with many Americans.
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Sad truth, slight or no.

ridethelightening said:
Why is it bs?
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Because we aren't a theocracy. It shouldn't take a hateful, Mormon neo-conservative to unite the country.
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
Because we aren't a theocracy. It shouldn't take a hateful, Mormon neo-conservative to unite the country.
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If we ever do become a theocracy you can lay much of the cause for that at the feet of Barack Hussein Obama.

He is the most devisive president in the history of our republic.
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
Because we aren't a theocracy. It shouldn't take a hateful, Mormon neo-conservative to unite the country.
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The hateful label has become a cute staple of the uber left liberal. It's a cute way to marginalize an opinion, but it really only works with other, like minded folks, who happen to be equally closed minded to those they purport to dislike.
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BigPapaVol said:
The hateful label has become a cute staple of the uber left liberal. It's a cute way to marginalize an opinion, but it really only works with other, like minded folks, who happen to be equally closed minded to those they purport to dislike.
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Beck channels unity through hate. Your presumption that I'm liberal is as incorrect as your presumption that inflammatory political commentary deserves no criticism.

droski said:
seems pretty hateful to throw mormon into the description. how is that relavant?
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Because anyone who succumbs to those beliefs is simply "out there." It's understandable to follow the ideas of most of the Abrahamic religions... but Mormonism is just plain weird.

ridethelightening said:
What would you recommend to unite us?
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A unified ideology designed for... I dunno... progress?

Howabout someone who ISN'T involved in politics?

gsvol said:
If we ever do become a theocracy you can lay much of the cause for that at the feet of Barack Hussein Obama.

He is the most devisive president in the history of our republic.
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That is debatable, but he's certainly up there.

A large part of God-politics comes into play when conservatives determine social liberties, though.
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
Beck channels unity through hate. Your presumption that I'm liberal is as incorrect as your presumption that inflammatory political commentary deserves no criticism.
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I'm not assuming jack about you, besides the fact that I think you buy into the stupidity of the "hatemonger" label applied to social conservatives.

I tend to think their views are skewed, but the dumbassery wrapped up in calling them haters makes them look like Isaac Newton.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
I'm not assuming jack about you, besides the fact that I think you buy into the stupidity of the "hatemonger" label applied to social conservatives.

I tend to think their views are skewed, but the dumbassery wrapped up in calling them haters makes them look like Isaac Newton.
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What term would you prefer? 'Skeert'?
 
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