Beck must have more than a few fans.

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Unimane said:
And, my Peace Corps service is something I'm very proud of doing, representing my country in a place that rarely sees anything of my country, so you can suck it on that note.
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In what country did you serve and in wat capacity??
 
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Unimane said:
The tax cuts are being reconsidered because the Democrats are pansies who buckle at every rabid populist attack by the Republicans, not because they have some intrinsic value. A lot of "very bright economic types" have labeled them as a disaster, especially when they cost billions of dollars of revenue.

Obama's been a far sight better than Bush, but he's failed in the sense that he didn't take the stimulus far enough, as people like Krugman and Volkler advocated in the first place. Basic economic sense states the government spends in an economic downturn and conserves in an upswing.
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A lot of very bright economics types playing the political shenanigans game have labeled them a disaster. Krugman is little more than a political hack at this point. He had some merit several years ago, but has pissed it away doing political hit BS as opposed to actual economics. Volcker Do you recall why we enacted the tax cuts in the first place?

Obama's been exactly dick. His stimulus stupidity was nothing more than a heaping of earmark style pork to be spent over years. That's about as stimulating as salt to a lawn, but it damn sure pays off political debts. And now, explain to me, at this point, why we need inflation generating demand from the Government, when private consumption is the lifeblood of our economy. Volcker spot in history is earned because he ran roughshod over inflation by choking off the money supply in America - in response to some disastrous Keynesian policies of the 70s. He simply reacted as all texts would say he should have. The legacy of his response was more savings and tax receipts dropping a full percent as a percentage of GDP. He shifted our tax base from relying on the wealthy to a much broader base of income earners. Forget the Laffer curve, but look at the outcome. Today, Volcker is advocating savings and higher taxes, yet wants unproductive and inefficient government consumption as the backbone of GDP. It's self defeating and it's a very unproductive use of the total capital of America. Total capital is the driver here and we have to spend it efficiently. It can't do all of the things Volcker wants unless we find a way to deflate the dollar to tiny levels in the future. The day that happens, our retirees are in an absolute world of hurt. The rest of us will struggle to boot, but we have means of keeping up a little bit via income inflation, but it won't keep up with the type of inflation we'll need to absorb the inefficient gov't largesse we've witnessed over the past 40 years.

This current economy is a bit of a quandary and there are no easy answers. There are extremely bright economists on opposing sides of the aisle, but I don't believe any would advocate Obama's wanton political payback waste as a remotely viable solution for our problem.

Basic economic sense does not call for massive government spending in recession, unless a certain set of facts warrants. Disciples of GDP growth as the ultimate measure of everything sacred would buy your comment about basics, but one side of that equation will never hold true, especially when our economy is governed by the political process.
 
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Unimane said:
Who's whining or "speaking on behalf" of the soldiers? Your self-righteous atttitude and mindless following of any progaganda is pathetic and disgusts me, for what it's worth.

And, my Peace Corps service is something I'm very proud of doing, representing my country in a place that rarely sees anything of my country, so you can suck it on that note.
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Who's mindlessly following propaganda? Actually believing that man can peaceably coexist is as ludicrous as anything I've read on here. The idea is great, cool, cute and everything else, but the fact that it absolutely ignores the selfishness that drives men and movements makes it an utter farce.

I can appreciate your worldview and Lord knows we need peaceniks to pass around the love, but you don't get to make your wreaths and do your thing without the blood of many who made this place what it is today. You can play it off as cynically as you'd like by scoffing at heroes and pretending that all war is for the purposes of petty men, but we aren't America without GW or Abe Lincoln. It's that simple.
 
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Unimane said:
Spare me your sanctimonious bullsh-t. And, in fact, I have served as a Peace Corps Volunteer, but anyway. My point still stands about the manipulation of the public by using the service of soldiers to mask wars of political opportunity and then have those soldiers are discarded when they serve their time.
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Political wars of opportunity. That's amusing. Is that what you'd call the Revolutionary War? Maybe we should have held hands, passed a peace pipe and written the Star Spangled Banner.
 
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All wars are both political and opportunistic on some level. Go back as far as you want in time and wars have always been the same when boiled down to the rawest elements.
 
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KB5252 said:
All wars are both political and opportunistic on some level. Go back as far as you want in time and wars have always been the same when boiled down to the rawest elements.
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all have that element, but dismissing all as avoidable and unnecessary makes no sense to me. Quarrel is a part of the human element.
 
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You can argue a number of things but we were in Vietnam and Korea in part because we were legally obligated. SEATO required us to provide military assistance if the communist invaded a member country.

That said, war should have been declared and the UN should not have been part of it other than following US lead.
 
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Unimane said:
That's the biggest bunch of BS and spewed constantly by the right. Basically, if you don't conform to the version of America conjured by the right, you are "hating America".
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No. If you think, speak, and act as if America is fundamentally broken with loads and loads of hatemongers and selfish people who won't help their neighbors unless forced by elite liberal snobs... then you hate America.
And, the right has been so virulently irrational in their hatred of Obama that the concept that supporting Obama means you hate America and that he wants to fundamentally change America is beyond ridiculous, although par for the course for the hysteria plaguing the right today.
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I don't hate Obama and never have. I detest what he wants to do though. He SAID he wanted to fundamentally change America. If you read his statements and opinions, study his "career", and pay attention to his allies and influences... they ALL support the notion that he believes the American system to be fundamentally flawed in need of a transformation. What do you think those freudian slips concerning redistribution of wealth to the "rightful owners" were all about?

You want to be informed by real and reliable news sources, watch PBS.
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You are either kidding or absolutely delusional. PBS "reporting" is done in a way that ALWAYS presents stories that favor liberals and gov't growth. They are only critical of gov't for not taking or doing enough... never for taking or doing too much. What you basically have there are washed up 60's and 70's liberals that are too dry and bland to even make it on CNN.

If that is really and truly what you believe then that tells us a great deal about where your concept of the "real world" or "real America" comes from.
 
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Unimane said:
The tax cuts are being reconsidered because the Democrats are pansies who buckle at every rabid populist attack by the Republicans, not because they have some intrinsic value. A lot of "very bright economic types" have labeled them as a disaster, especially when they cost billions of dollars of revenue.
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Tax cuts whether they increase or decrease near term revenues UNIFORMLY fuel recovery from recession. It has worked every single time it has been tried. Most if not all times the resulting economic growth actually INCREASES net revenues to the gov't.

The problem has been that as soon as the pressure is off politicians of both parties have started spending sprees again.

THE ONLY way to resolve our budget and economic problems is to significantly reduce gov't expenditures as a percentage of GDP. The gov't DOES NOT produce wealth. Almost every employee of the federal gov't is a drag on the economy. I'm not suggesting some functions are not necessary... only that they do not create wealth and should be done as efficiently as possible. Most wealth transfer "welfare" programs are not only a net loss to the economy but generate residual loss by their effect on the population. For instance people not taking available jobs because they aren't as good as their past jobs and then getting extended unemployment. Those people could be contributing to the recovery, producing wealth, and paying taxes. Instead... they aren't.

Wealth production is what a country strong... and ironically the best help for the people liberals claim to be representing. Both sides have a long history of passing budgets that increase at a greater pace than the nation's economy. Until the percentage of gov't spending is decreased to less than the rate of economic growth for an extended period... you will never be able to tax enough to balance the budget.

Obama's been a far sight better than Bush, but he's failed in the sense that he didn't take the stimulus far enough, as people like Krugman and Volkler advocated in the first place. Basic economic sense states the government spends in an economic downturn and conserves in an upswing.
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Pure, absolute idiocy. Obama is incompetent in pretty much every regard. He has failed economically. He has failed in foreign policy. He failed in the Gulf. The man is so far over his head it isn't funny. The best thing he's done for the country and his only proven competency is going on vacation.

NONE of the stimulus went to things that would have both an immediate and residual economic benefit. It takes decades to realize pay back from infrastructure spending. Most of the money went to one time expenses that have no real economic value... studies of frogs, restoration of obscure park service sites, etc.

The only thing a bigger stimulus would have accomplished is a larger debt.

A tax cut to investors of half that amount would have us firmly in a job creating economy right now. The trillions in investment capital currently sidelined would have been poured into the economy if it weren't for Obama's tax philosophy and the stupidest bill in US history- Obamacare.

If you want a country like the one your ideas will yield... please move to Italy, Spain, or Greece and enjoy the product of those ideas with them. Please stop trying to ruin THIS country for the rest of us.
 
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Gallup's latest generic poll has the GOP up by 10%... a new record. Rasmussen who has been the most accurate over the last few election cycles has had the GOP up from 6-12% for some time. Due to voter concentration (Dem districts tend to be more Democrat than GOP districts are Republican)... this is a really bad sign for Dems.

It suggests that not only will the GOP win many of the seats considered to be at risk but will win many toss ups and some unexpected ones.

My excitement is pretty well doused by the recent memory of Republicans legislating like Democrat-lite... but they will have to really blow it to be worse than what we have.
 
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Glenn Becks fans...

Teabaggers

(I understand that this was edited by a liberal for liberals and that there are people like this on both sides of the line and I posted this more as a joke than anything. Just watch it. I'm sure you'll get a laugh out of it, too.)
 
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Glenn Beck is a self-promoting, uneducated buffoon. Those following his lead better keep their eyes open for the cliff.
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PoochPunt3rdDown said:
Glenn Beck is a self-promoting, uneducated buffoon. Those following his lead better keep their eyes open for the cliff.
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Yeah, and Obama is brilliant. So educated he would not notice an average american if they were pissing on his ugly ass wifes shoes...LOL

He knows only one color and its the color Obama...LOL What a self serving egomaniac.
 
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PoochPunt3rdDown said:
Glenn Beck is a self-promoting, uneducated buffoon. Those following his lead better keep their eyes open for the cliff.
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Yeah as opposed to those who voted for "hope and change" or believe the MSM isn't biased.

FTR, life will eventually teach you that the most educated, intelligent, WISE, insightful people you run across do not always or even usually have a college degree.

Beck IS self-promoting. So what? Has he pretended he's not? That does NOT mean he doesn't believe in what he's doing or isn't RIGHT.

Please provide evidence he is "uneducated" on the things he's commenting on. We have a President that had never really managed or led any significant organization prior to January 09... and you want to complain that Beck isn't educated?
 
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sjt18 said:
Yeah as opposed to those who voted for "hope and change" or believe the MSM isn't biased.

FTR, life will eventually teach you that the most educated, intelligent, WISE, insightful people you run across do not always or even usually have a college degree.

Beck IS self-promoting. So what? Has he pretended he's not? That does NOT mean he doesn't believe in what he's doing or isn't RIGHT.

Please provide evidence he is "uneducated" on the things he's commenting on. We have a President that had never really managed or led any significant organization prior to January 09... and you want to complain that Beck isn't educated?
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He gleaned his political philosophy from one guy.
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Glenn Beck is a douche proclaiming to turn America to his ideals. Claiming America needs to turn back to god, but America wasn't founded on religion. It was founded by deists and atheists.
 
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PoochPunt3rdDown said:
Glenn Beck is a self-promoting, uneducated buffoon. Those following his lead better keep their eyes open for the cliff.
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I'm not a fan in the least, but where do you get that he's uneducated?

The media business is inherently self-promoting and his MO is cash. The guy has turned his ranting lunacy episodes into an enormous pile of money. I suspect he'll continue to do so. Much like Limbaugh, a president of the opposite political philosophy is of enormous value to him. Hence, he has to make hay while the figurative sun is shining (sky is falling probably more apropos here).
 
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BigPapaVol said:
I'm not a fan in the least, but where do you get that he's uneducated?

The media business is inherently self-promoting and his MO is cash. The guy has turned his ranting lunacy episodes into an enormous pile of money. I suspect he'll continue to do so. Much like Limbaugh, a president of the opposite political philosophy is of enormous value to him. Hence, he has to make hay while the figurative sun is shining (sky is falling probably more apropos here).
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He was a disc jockey, read some books by one guy, got clean, used his contacts, got on the air as a pundit and has been pandering to the lowest common denominator since.

I'm underwhelmed.
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PoochPunt3rdDown said:
He was a disc jockey, read some books by one guy, got clean, used his contacts, got on the air as a pundit and has been pandering to the lowest common denominator since.

I'm underwhelmed.
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I can understand that, but the guy is a media personality and making all the hay he can. He's been pretty savvy about it, fwiw.

I don't get the lowest common denominator piece? Who is the LCD?
 
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The LCD is anyone that will listen to him and follow. If you watch the video I posted, many of them are mindless and easily persuaded.
 
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VOLatile said:
The LCD is anyone that will listen to him and follow. If you watch the video I posted, many of them are mindless and easily persuaded.
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As opposed to those voting in Obama with Pelosi and Reid already at the helm.
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