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#76
#76
Everyone says Stanford has a great coach but her team has 8 loses compare to our 3. Our loses ate to # 3 Mississippi State, # 5 Notre Dame and # 16 Texas A&M.
 
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jeff1vol said:
DAAAAMN... There is A TON of reach in this thread. This program is as good as dead. Miss. State just boat raced Holly at home. Miss State.

This LOSER admin has sat back, made the EASY hire once Pat retired and has now become a mid tier team in the conference they owned since the beginning of collegiate women's bball... and y'all make excuses.

Have fun watching this garbage. Just add it to the growing list of garbage on the hill.
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You don't know women's basketball very well or you'd know that Mississippi State beat UConn and was national runner-up last year. They have all their great players back, and have an excellent coach. They are ranked #2 by the NCAA Committee.

This is not the State of old just like it's not the SC of old. SEC schools took that TV money and hired better coaches and built better facilities to get better players.

The days of 1 or 2 teams at the top are over. And that was true while PAT was alive, if you were paying attention.
 
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Spook1 said:
:rock::rock::rock:We will not be ready for the big time until CHW is gone. We have allowed the "former"
best women basketball teams ever under Pat Summit sink to this level under CHW...folks it ain't going to get any better.
The next thing you will see is attendance dropping below 10,000 per game...we used to lead the nation every year.
When is CHW going to do something about turnovers?
Both Kara Lawson and Andy Landers were critical of the LV on TV today while "delicately" avoiding the blame on the coaching of CHW. I have had it with CHW...bring on the softball and baseball season.
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Wait, so our basketball coach stinks, but you can't wait for baseball season? What a FREAKIN' JOKE?!

And when was the last time softball won a national championship? I mean, I love our softball team but they fail under your criteria of success.

Attendance has gone down at every school. We still are #2 nationally. SC is #1 in attendance because they give away thousands of tickets and charge $50 for season tickets with no donation.

As for performance, we've sunk to #5 in the most recent NCAA Committee rankings. Horrendous! I wouldn't even bother learning to spell "Summitt". Lol.
 
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tallyho said:
With Jones gone and Pruitt in place AD PF will make the next great coaching change and bring in a real women's badletball coach...probably the coach from Louisville.
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Jeff Walz just lost at home last night to a team outside the top 10. Guess he's not a real coach either.
 
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jim43 said:
Can anyone tell me if they have seen ANY improvement in this team since the beginning of the year?

In ANY player?

Has defense improved?

Has offense improved?

Has Holly shown she has a clue about how to fix any of it?
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Statistically at least, the team has improved in just about every category from this time last year.

NCAA Ranking summary for week 1/20/2017 and 2018

W/L 11-7/16-3
Offense 45th/17th
Defense 199/170
Assists 109/26
Rebounds 26/4
Turnovers 104/239
A/TO 90/90
3pt FG 234/250

The glaring categories - turnovers and outside shooting.
 
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MocVol said:
Didn't we just learn from our football program that it's just not enough to recruit great players without the ability to coach them up into a great team? Yes, the great players have been recruited and are wearing LV orange. Where's the development?
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Where were your comments when we were undefeated at 15-0? Your one & ONLY comment in this forum is to come by at our season low point to criticize the coach.
 
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#83
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Tenn over Texas by 7
Uconn over Texas by 4
Texas over FSU by 15
Uconn over ND by 9
ND over Tenn by 14
FSU over Louis by 1
Louis over ND by 37
Miss. St over Oklha St. by 3
Tenn over Oklha st by 10

At this point - the team that rebounds and defends better is going to win the game.
Are the lady vols out? Absolutely not. It's January folks - we still have 2 big months of basketball to be played.

The final 4 is really open to anybody willing to put the work in at this point. The final 3 (Until Uconn is defeated, I think we can count them in) could be anybody. The good news for Tennessee is we know EXACTLY what we need to do to get there.
1. Rebound 2. Defend. Limit TO's 3.
 
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I'll be happy with 24 and 5 and 12 and 4 in the SEC that is a huge improvement over last year. I would like us to at least get to the elite 8 in the tourney otherwise that will be a disappointment. I thought we would continue to get better but we've went in the other direction.
Miss St only beat Okla St by three we won by 10. We should've been able to play them a better game at home and believe we would early in the season were not as good a team as we were then. Nobody was thinking back then they were just playing. Now a lot of thinking going on and you can't do that during a game.
 
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UTLadyvolsfan said:
Just wow. I totally get that people are disappointed, but as several have pointed out, this team has lost to 3 teams, all of who are ranked, and 2 of them are ranked higher. So as a result of losing to ND and Miss State, all the Holly boo-birds are in full form and again saying she needs to go?

What exactly do you expect from this program? We will NEVER be THE team in WCBB - like we used to be - in the NC game almost every year. And I guarantee once Geno leaves, UCONN will face the same fate.

Do most people believe that Muffet is the 2nd best coach in WCBB? If so, look at her NCAA record. She has 1 NC and 6 final 4's. She's made the NC game 5 times, wining once, and losing to Baylor, Tex AM, and UCONN twice. And this is over a 17 year time frame.

So I hate to say it, but no matter WHO the coach is at Tennessee, what ND has done in the past 17 years is about the best we can possibly expect for our next 17 years. The unrealistic expectations that some seem to have is mind boggling given that Pat is the GOAT, yet some expect the program to perform the same with her gone.

And by the way, as people consider who they'd like to replace Holly with, name 1 coach who has recruited more McD AA's in the past 2 years than Holly. We have 7. That's more than Geno, more than Muffet, more than Jeff, more than Dawn, more than pretty much anyone. I'm not sure how may Baylor and Texas have but they might be the only 2 teams with more over the past 2 years.

We were totally spoiled with Pat at the helm. I know we all appreciated her and loved her and enjoyed the ride, but those days are long gone. The reality is that even if we had Muffet coaching UT for the next 17 years, would ANYONE be satisfied with 1 NC, 6 FF's and 4 NC games? Probably for many, the answer is no, which means you will continually be frustrated and disappointed.

This is the new reality people. The sooner we can let go of the past, the happier we will be...
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What fans expect is a coach who demands excellence and pushes his/her players to be the best they can be. Since Pat left, our teams have lacked an identity (was previously defense and rebounding) and have been plagued by inconsistent play.

Will be there another Pat Summitt? No. However, this program deserves a coach who can instill fundamentals and challenge every player to give 100 percent.

I disagree with your take that the Lady Vols will never be the top team in WCBB. Once proud programs can rise again to dominance with the right personnel. Just ask Joe Torre. Or Phil Jackson. Or Nick Saban. Great coaches are out there and often just need the opportunity and resources to make it happen.

Signing McDonald’s All-Americans is no achievement in itself. Fans, boosters, and ADs don’t start the season hoping for 4 All-Americans. We look for final four appearances and national championships. I wouldn’t care if our roster was filled with all 2 or 3 star players as long as we played hard and reached the final four.

The reality is not to accept mediocrity. Tennessee has the history, fans, players, facilities and national interest for a great coach to excel. I believe we will win a title again. Will Warlick be head coach when it happens? That’s the $665,000 question.
 
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Wen we didn’t have Harrison nobody said anything ..yes we should have won 2 of the theee we lost but in shambles i don’t think so we are getting back won’t gappwn over night but holly has made progress from last year to this year now I want to see how we respond to ole miss and beyond
 
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I've never lost my mind because of teenage girls losing a basketball game. Anyone who does, well, needs to keep things in perspective.
 
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NoBackBoard said:
What fans expect is a coach who demands excellence and pushes his/her players to be the best they can be. Since Pat left, our teams have lacked an identity (was previously defense and rebounding) and have been plagued by inconsistent play.

Will be there another Pat Summitt? No. However, this program deserves a coach who can instill fundamentals and challenge every player to give 100 percent.

I disagree with your take that the Lady Vols will never be the top team in WCBB. Once proud programs can rise again to dominance with the right personnel. Just ask Joe Torre. Or Phil Jackson. Or Nick Saban. Great coaches are out there and often just need the opportunity and resources to make it happen.

Signing McDonald’s All-Americans is no achievement in itself. Fans, boosters, and ADs don’t start the season hoping for 4 All-Americans. We look for final four appearances and national championships. I wouldn’t care if our roster was filled with all 2 or 3 star players as long as we played hard and reached the final four.

The reality is not to accept mediocrity. Tennessee has the history, fans, players, facilities and national interest for a great coach to excel. I believe we will win a title again. Will Warlick be head coach when it happens? That’s the $665,000 question.
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I would love to say yes she will, buttttttt i say no she will not win the Natty as our coach.
 
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NoBackBoard said:
What fans expect is a coach who demands excellence and pushes his/her players to be the best they can be. Since Pat left, our teams have lacked an identity (was previously defense and rebounding) and have been plagued by inconsistent play.

Will be there another Pat Summitt? No. However, this program deserves a coach who can instill fundamentals and challenge every player to give 100 percent.

I disagree with your take that the Lady Vols will never be the top team in WCBB. Once proud programs can rise again to dominance with the right personnel. Just ask Joe Torre. Or Phil Jackson. Or Nick Saban. Great coaches are out there and often just need the opportunity and resources to make it happen.

Signing McDonald’s All-Americans is no achievement in itself. Fans, boosters, and ADs don’t start the season hoping for 4 All-Americans. We look for final four appearances and national championships. I wouldn’t care if our roster was filled with all 2 or 3 star players as long as we played hard and reached the final four.

The reality is not to accept mediocrity. Tennessee has the history, fans, players, facilities and national interest for a great coach to excel. I believe we will win a title again. Will Warlick be head coach when it happens? That’s the $665,000 question.
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Only wish I had a 2000 like button
 
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xanamanax said:
That is true. But if we're in the Elite 8 and playing a higher seed to go to the FF, would it still be "unacceptable" to lose to them?
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You’re assuming we even get to the Elite 8 and yeah, that’s unacceptable. Holly’s been the coach for six damn years and we’ve never done it.
 
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VA_VOLFAN said:
The best thing about either arguement is that it gets to be settled later in the year. So for now it DOESNT make a difference because TN came out with the win. They could have figured a way to blow the game but didn’t. Nobody will ever know what would of happened because of the injury.

I like the fact we get to play A&M again and SC both chances to go grab wins against ranked opponents. GA will most likely be ranked by the time we see them and we play at Mizzu. 4 more games against what the NCAA views as noncupcakes.
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Mizzu wil blow them out about like what ND did.
 
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1CHATTVOL said:
Jeff Walz just lost at home last night to a team outside the top 10. Guess he's not a real coach either.
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You have to at least try to compare apples to apples. Louisville has one player (Asia Durr) that we would have possibly recruited or taken. On the other hand, I'm sure Louisville would have taken just about ANY player on our roster if they could have signed them.

Our roster is much more talented than theirs and many other teams ranked ahead of us year in and year out, yet we continue to underachieve.

It's not about raw wins and losses. It's about what you do with what you have. You can have a 20-2 record and underachieve similar to Lady Vols 1999 team, Baylor's 2011 team, and UCONN's 2017 team. You could have an 10-12 record or something similar and overachieve if you have a team of players that are by and large over matched every night. It all depends on the personnel.

If the 1992 Dream Team had got the Silver Medal, would anyone on here have said "Oh, nice, in the LAST Olympics, we got the Bronze - THIS is an improvement"? No. You'd be pissed off that we underachieved with all that talent. Same thing here. We should be doing better with what we have.
 
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clkou said:
You have to at least try to compare apples to apples. Louisville has one player (Asia Durr) that we would have possibly recruited or taken. On the other hand, I'm sure Louisville would have taken just about ANY player on our roster if they could have signed them.

Our roster is much more talented than theirs and many other teams ranked ahead of us year in and year out, yet we continue to underachieve.

It's not about raw wins and losses. It's about what you do with what you have. You can have a 20-2 record and underachieve similar to Lady Vols 1999 team, Baylor's 2011 team, and UCONN's 2017 team. You could have an 10-12 record or something similar and overachieve if you have a team of players that are by and large over matched every night. It all depends on the personnel.

If the 1992 Dream Team had got the Silver Medal, would anyone on here have said "Oh, nice, in the LAST Olympics, we got the Bronze - THIS is an improvement"? No. You'd be pissed off that we underachieved with all that talent. Same thing here. We should be doing better with what we have.
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I hear what you're saying, but I think you must not follow WBB close enough to realize that Louisville is deep and talented.

2014 - #8 class, 5 players, 3 5-stars
2015 - #2 class, 5 players, 3 5-stars
2016 - #6 class, 5 players, 3 5-stars
2017 - #4 class, 3 players, 3 5-stars

And if you look at talent, there are a LOT of teams that "underachieve" every year.

But I'm actually not sure it's a fair to take a metric of accomplishment and fashion it into a club to belittle a coach's overall success.

A silver medal with a dream team is still a silver medal. And the skills & accomplishments of the individuals on the dream team are still the same.

Recruiting great players to TN is an accomplishment in itself, as well as an ingredient of overall success.
 
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