Better Call Saul

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#351
Kim is more affectionate towards Jimmy when he is giving up on his efforts to be a lawyer (letting go of office, burn bridges with old folks). And, the one client she serves, which Jimmy sabatoged Chuck to get, doesn't fulfill her, professionally.
 
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#353
VolsSportsFan said:
I sort of felt bad, but at the same time he's a giant prick who puts being right above all else.

I don't think he dies in the fire though.
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Be cheap if he doesn't. Like most opinions I've read, his death would be big in Jimmy's transformation to Saul.
 
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#354
Episode began with the McGill boys camping and reading by lantern light. Episode ends with a lantern.
 
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#356
Chuck is a character you love to hate. I think this is IT, for him. I take my cue from BREAKING BAD who was not one to have sentimental value for good actors/characters.

I figure next season we will probably see Hank and Jesse.
 
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#357
JCP201 said:
Chuck is a character you love to hate. I think this is IT, for him. I take my cue from BREAKING BAD who was not one to have sentimental value for good actors/characters.

I figure next season we will probably see Hank and Jesse.
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Return of Tuco. Would prolly only see Hank/Jesse from his or Nacho's view. Jimmy/Saul doesn't meet him before he does Walt.
 
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#358
It was hard to watch Chuck that episode. The season finale of next season will be the farewell to Kim, imo.

Don't confuse Gilligan and Gould with those idiots at the Walking Dead or Game of Thrones. Chuck is dead. The show was building toward that moment for two seasons.
 
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#359
mrorange211 said:
It was hard to watch Chuck that episode. The season finale of next season will be the farewell to Kim, imo.

Don't confuse Gilligan and Gould with those idiots at the Walking Dead or Game of Thrones. Chuck is dead. The show was building toward that moment for two seasons.
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In defense of Game of Thrones--I've never seen so many dead main characters.

I agree that something is going to happen to Kim. Addict? (the comment about the "good stuff") death? Break up? This and Chuck's demise will send Jimmy over the edge.

Love this show.
 
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JCP201 said:
In defense of Game of Thrones--I've never seen so many dead main characters.

I agree that something is going to happen to Kim. Addict? (the comment about the "good stuff") death? Break up? This and Chuck's demise will send Jimmy over the edge.

Love this show.
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I don't think they kill off Kim or have her face the dragons of addiction. I think Jimmy restarts his practice with clients like Nacho and Tuco amongst other criminal elements. His tactics will kill their relationship and that death will finish his turn as Jimmy. She leaves town and we see her show up at the end of the series when Saul's Cinnabon jig is up.
 
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butchna said:
I don't think they kill off Kim or have her face the dragons of addiction. I think Jimmy restarts his practice with clients like Nacho and Tuco amongst other criminal elements. His tactics will kill their relationship and that death will finish his turn as Jimmy. She leaves town and we see her show up at the end of the series when Saul's Cinnabon jig is up.
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Good theory. My add on, he rebuilds his practice, with her help. He goes after respectable clients. Then, the nefarious come a calling. She isnt fulfilled in her career (Atticus Finch). He isnt in his (no juice or con). She takes a position in a new state. He doesn't want to sully his brother's name with a shady practice. He changes his name and begins the Saul Goodman era.
 
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mrorange211 said:
It was hard to watch Chuck that episode. The season finale of next season will be the farewell to Kim, imo.

Don't confuse Gilligan and Gould with those idiots at the Walking Dead or Game of Thrones. Chuck is dead. The show was building toward that moment for two seasons.
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Blasphemy
 
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McDad said:
Good theory. My add on, he rebuilds his practice, with her help. He goes after respectable clients. Then, the nefarious come a calling. She isnt fulfilled in her career (Atticus Finch). He isnt in his (no juice or con). She takes a position in a new state. He doesn't want to sully his brother's name with a shady practice. He changes his name and begins the Saul Goodman era.
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Pretty good...could see that.
 
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butchna said:
Death or the resurrection? Wasn't out of the blue on the show. Thought it was great...like the rest of the season.
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I'm not talking about the rest of the season. I'm talking about the cliffhanger. Not my taste. I like finality. That's why the Sopranos finale still irks me regardless of how spectacular it was, and I stopped watching TWD a year ago.

I'm just sayin'. It's kinda lazy. Gilligan and Gould know they don't have to drag the audience along. The writing should be good enough on its own. And for the shows they have written, directed, and produced in the BB universe, they have been. It's a thanks to the viewer for coming on the ride, imo.
 
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mrorange211 said:
I'm not talking about the rest of the season. I'm talking about the cliffhanger. Not my taste. I like finality. That's why the Sopranos finale still irks me regardless of how spectacular it was, and I stopped watching TWD a year ago.

I'm just sayin'. It's kinda lazy. Gilligan and Gould know they don't have to drag the audience along. The writing should be good enough on its own. And for the shows they have written, directed, and produced in the BB universe, they have been. It's a thanks to the viewer for coming on the ride, imo.
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I think it was a big part of the whole story. He doesn't get murdered and he's honor bound to continue as Lord Commander of the Watch. Freed him to be eventual King of the North. Cliffhangers don't have to be cheap and I don't think this was. Agree with you on Breaking Bad/BCS's ability to do their own thing...but they've used cliffhangers. Jessie pointing the gun at Gil, anyone?
 
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butchna said:
I think it was a big part of the whole story. He doesn't get murdered and he's honor bound to continue as Lord Commander of the Watch. Freed him to be eventual King of the North. Cliffhangers don't have to be cheap and I don't think this was. Agree with you on Breaking Bad/BCS's ability to do their own thing...but they've used cliffhangers. Jessie pointing the gun at Gil, anyone?
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Not exactly a cliffhanger bc you can hear the gun go off
 
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#369
volnbama_ said:
Not exactly a cliffhanger bc you can hear the gun go off
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Always could have shot to the side. Plenty of speculation on that and cagy responses by actors and producers that offseason.
 
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butchna said:
Always could have shot to the side. Plenty of speculation on that and cagy responses by actors and producers that offseason.
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Ahh. I didn't watch it when it came on tv. Thought it was fairly obviously binge watching on Netflix
 
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#371
mrorange211 said:
I'm not talking about the rest of the season. I'm talking about the cliffhanger. Not my taste. I like finality. That's why the Sopranos finale still irks me regardless of how spectacular it was, and I stopped watching TWD a year ago.

I'm just sayin'. It's kinda lazy. Gilligan and Gould know they don't have to drag the audience along. The writing should be good enough on its own. And for the shows they have written, directed, and produced in the BB universe, they have been. It's a thanks to the viewer for coming on the ride, imo.
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Honestly, the GOT thing wasn't really a cliffhanger. It was obvious what had happened. Of course, because of everything being over-analyzed and set leaks, it was obvious what was going to happen next, too. They should have done it in the second to last episode or waited until the next season if they wanted to keep the secret. However, it had absolutely nothing to do with dragging viewers around. If anything, it had more to do with leaving off in the same place as the book, as several of the major storylines that season did.

Also, did you not see the desert shootout episode of Breaking Bad?
 
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butchna said:
Always could have shot to the side.
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No.

tvolsfan said:
Honestly, the GOT thing wasn't really a cliffhanger. It was obvious what had happened. Of course, because of everything being over-analyzed and set leaks, it was obvious what was going to happen next, too. They should have done it in the second to last episode or waited until the next season if they wanted to keep the secret. However, it had absolutely nothing to do with dragging viewers around. If anything, it had more to do with leaving off in the same place as the book, as several of the major storylines that season did.

Also, did you not see the desert shootout episode of Breaking Bad?
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Yes and then I watched the next week to find out Hank was going to die. I didn't have to wait 9 months, that's my point. It's annoying as hell when writers do that.

Look I love GoT. I'm a huge fan. I even ignored the GoT thread on VN due to spoiler. But I like the writing of Gilligan and Gould much more.
 
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mrorange211 said:
No.
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He couldn't POSSIBLY have shot to the side? Gotta disagree with you, Ed. Heard that possibility throughout the break. Didn't believe it...like I don't any possibility of Chuck surviving, but if they don't show someone dying?
 
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butchna said:
He couldn't POSSIBLY have shot to the side? Gotta disagree with you, Ed. Heard that possibility throughout the break. Didn't believe it...like I don't any possibility of Chuck surviving, but if they don't show someone dying?
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That's the entire point of this discussion: Gilligan and Gould don't pull $hit like that because they don't have to. Gil was always dead and so is Chuck.
 
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