Bible Topic Thread (merged)

#376
#376
I understand there will be distinct differences in theology between Catholics, Protestants, Mormons, Jews, and Muslims. However, I do not believe I have called any who belong to any of these groups a "false teacher" or "false prophet."

I will always defend my faith. I will also always defend it with passion. However, I will never try to make a connection that anyone who opposes the tenets of my faith is somehow in cohorts with Satan.
 
#378
#378
salutethehill said:
What does the Bible teach that we must do to be saved?

We must hear the Word of God, the Bible (Romans 10:14, 10:17). Common sense, how can you believe in something you've never heard?

We must believe that Jesus is the son of God. We must have faith in Jesus Christ. John 3:16 and countless other scriptures. I don't think there's any argument here.

We must repent of, or turn away from, our sins.
Luke 13:5 5 I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish.”
Acts 17:30 30 Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent,
Also: II Corinthians 7:10, Luke 15:7, Acts 2:38, Acts 3:19, Acts 26:20, 2 Corinthians 7:9

We must confess our faith.
Matthew 10:32-33 32 “Therefore whoever confesses Me before men, him I will also confess before My Father who is in heaven. 33 But whoever denies Me before men, him I will also deny before My Father who is in heaven.
Romans 10:9-10 9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

We must be baptized.
Mark 16:16 16 He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.
Acts 2:37-38 37 Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Men and brethren, what shall we do?”
38 Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
1 Peter 3:21 21 There is also an antitype which now saves us—baptism (not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,

Jesus was baptized to fulfill all righteousness (Matthew 3:15).

There are also several examples in the New Testament. Actually, every conversion recorded in the book of Acts included baptism.
Check out the conversion of the Ethiopian eunuch in Acts 8:26-40.
Key scriptures:
35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and beginning at this Scripture, preached Jesus to him. 36 Now as they went down the road, they came to some water. And the eunuch said, “See, here is water. What hinders me from being baptized?” (I wonder what they were talking about)
37 Then Philip said, “If you believe with all your heart, you may.”
And he answered and said, “I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.”
38 So he commanded the chariot to stand still. And both Philip and the eunuch went down into the water, and he baptized him.
39 Now when they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught Philip away, so that the eunuch saw him no more; and he went on his way rejoicing. Again, rejoicing after the baptism. Why was there no rejoicing when he said, "I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.”? I will never understand why so many people will not accept this. You can not deny the scriptures.

Last of all, we must remain faithful until death.
Revelation 2:10 10 Do not fear any of those things which you are about to suffer. Indeed, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison, that you may be tested, and you will have tribulation ten days. Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life.
Matthew 10:22 22 And you will be hated by all for My name’s sake. But he who endures to the end will be saved.

Please help me locate an example of someone praying Jesus into their heart in the Bible.
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I agree baptism is important but here is a question: What happens if a friend, who is not believer in Jesus, and I go hunting and I witness to Him. He accepts Jesus as his savior but on the car ride home we get in a wreck and die. Is that person saved or not?

What if there was no water around? Is he unsaved until he finds water? The believing comes before the baptism. This could go in circles but the believing always comes first in those verses you quoted.

I mean if you have to be baptized to be saved why would anyone preach the gospel if they weren't near water because nobody would be able to be saved.
 
#379
#379
salutethehill said:
We must be baptized.
Mark 16:16 16 He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.
Acts 2:37-38 37 Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Men and brethren, what shall we do?”
38 Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
1 Peter 3:21 21 There is also an antitype which now saves us—baptism (not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,

Jesus was baptized to fulfill all righteousness (Matthew 3:15).

There are also several examples in the New Testament. Actually, every conversion recorded in the book of Acts included baptism.
Check out the conversion of the Ethiopian eunuch in Acts 8:26-40.
Key scriptures:
35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and beginning at this Scripture, preached Jesus to him. 36 Now as they went down the road, they came to some water. And the eunuch said, “See, here is water. What hinders me from being baptized?” (I wonder what they were talking about)
37 Then Philip said, “If you believe with all your heart, you may.”
And he answered and said, “I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.”
38 So he commanded the chariot to stand still. And both Philip and the eunuch went down into the water, and he baptized him.
39 Now when they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught Philip away, so that the eunuch saw him no more; and he went on his way rejoicing. Again, rejoicing after the baptism. Why was there no rejoicing when he said, "I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.”? I will never understand why so many people will not accept this. You can not deny the scriptures.
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Good to have you in the discussion.:salute:

When we accept Christ as our savior, the blood that he shed on the cross washes away our sins. I believe that this is what is described when the Bible says that you must be baptised to go to Heaven. The baptism by water, in my opinion, is a public display that Jesus washes your sins away, not by water, but by his shed blood.
 
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#380
MyBloodRunnethOrange said:
I see that nobody wants to take this one on, so I'll put it as a direct question.

Thus says the Lord of Hosts: 'I will punish Amalek for what he did to Israel, how he ambushed him on the way when he came up out of Egypt. 'Now go and attack Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and do not spare them. But kill both man and woman, infant and nursing child, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.' " (1 Samuel 15:2-3 NKJV)

So is the Bible inerrant or not? Did God command the Israelites to committ genocide, or did they later claim it was from God to cover up their atrocities?
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The BIBLE is inerrant-- GOD sent the flood --- GOD sent the plagues--- GOD allowed the testing of Job---

YES GOD is Love-- BUT GOD'S Love demands holiness and GOD is HOLY before he is love --

Today people have a problem with any absolutes that's why a VT killing spree can happen when people lose the fear of GOD and any absolute authority chaos takes place. When GOD'S word is devalued and called just a good book with a few good points problems are around the corner.

GOD's word is without error and is the final authority in faith and practice of christian. WE would have not known sin unless GOD told us -- We would have not known it was wrong to take anothers life unless GOD told us.

Believe it NOW or LATER but you WILL believe it it is just a matter of when EVERY KNEE SHALL BOW AND EVERY TOUGUE SHALL CONFESS THAT HE IS LORD TO THE GLORY OF THE FATHER ---IN THE BEGINGING WAS THE WORD AND THE WORD WAS GOD--- HE TELLS US HE PRESERVED IT AND THAT'S WHAT HE DID.
 
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#383
therealUT said:
Yet, there are a multitude of different versions of the Bible, and multitudes of different meanings taken from these different versions...
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People from different backgrounds can read the same sentence and think of multiple explanations for it. This is the same with all of the different Christian organizations. We each interpret the Bible a different way, that is what makes us humans, the ability to think for ourselves. However, God's Word written through his followers is the WHOLE TRUTH, no matter which way you as a human may take it.
 
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#384
salutethehill said:
Hey OE, I don't recall stating that baptism over faith saves someone. I want to make myself clear that you must have faith in Jesus Christ to be saved. That, however, is not the only thing the Bible teaches someone must do to be saved.

Is belief all that is necessary?
Check out what Matthew 7:21-23 says:

21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

or James 2:19

19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble!

When you think about, the demons do believe in God. They know there is a God and they know Jesus is God's son. Are the demons saved?
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If you believe baptism is a component for salvation then you believe baptism saves you, not Jesus.

:thumbsup:

Baptism is not necessary for salvation. It is the initiatory sign and seal into the covenant of grace. As circumcision referred to the cutting away of sin and to a change of heart (Deut. 10:16; 30:6; Jer. 4:4; 9:25,26; Ez. 44:7,9) baptism refers to the washing away of sin (Acts 2:38; 1 Pet. 3:21; Tit. 3:5) and to spiritual renewal (Rom. 6:4; Col. 2:11-12). The circumcision of the heart is signified by the circumcision of the flesh, that is, baptism (Col. 2:11-12).

One last thought: If someone maintains that baptism is necessary for salvation, is he adding a work, his own, to the finished work of Christ? If the answer is yes, then that person would be in terrible risk of not being saved. If the answer is no, then why is baptism maintained as being necessary the same way as the Jews maintained that works were necessary?
 
#385
#385
JZVOL said:
What if you were the father of that house, with many children, and you were children were under attack and enslaved and other people were trying to murder your children. What would you do at that point?
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I would do what I felt was necessary at the time to protect my family. However, the person in question does not deserve eternal torture. In my opinion the brutal torments described as hell are not deserved by anyone.
 
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#386
MyBloodRunnethOrange said:
I would do what I felt was necessary at the time to protect my family. However, the person in question does not deserve eternal torture. In my opinion the brutal torments described as hell are not deserved by anyone.
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For whatever it is worth, you have grown on me a lot!

:eek:k: :wub: :huggy: :shhh:
 
#387
#387
lzbvol said:
The BIBLE is inerrant--
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Where does the Bible claim to be inerrant?

lzbvol said:
GOD sent the flood --- GOD sent the plagues--- GOD allowed the testing of Job--
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That's nice.
lzbvol said:
Today people have a problem with any absolutes that's why a VT killing spree can happen when people lose the fear of GOD and any absolute authority chaos takes place. When GOD'S word is devalued and called just a good book with a few good points problems are around the corner.
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Yeah that's it. The guy went on a rampage because he never got saved huh. I guess that's why people are dying in the middle east too?
lzbvol said:
GOD's word is without error and is the final authority in faith and practice of christian.
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To repeat my first question, where does the Bible claim to be without error.
lzbvol said:
WE would have not known sin unless GOD told us -- We would have not known it was wrong to take anothers life unless GOD told us.
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So according to "God's Word", it's wrong to take a life, unless of course God commands you to go out and slaughter a bunch of women and children.
lzbvol said:
---IN THE BEGINGING WAS THE WORD AND THE WORD WAS GOD--- HE TELLS US HE PRESERVED IT AND THAT'S WHAT HE DID.
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John 1:1. It is talking about the physical manifestation of Jesus Christ. That passage has nothing to say about the Bible. Nice attempt at taking a verse completely out of context.
 
#389
#389
Just for giggles........

Quote from Robert G. Ingersoll:
"Now they say that this book is inspired. I do not care whether it is or not; the question is, Is it true?
If it is true, it doesn't need to be inspired. Nothing needs inspiration except a falsehood or a mistake".
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#390
#390
MyBloodRunnethOrange said:
Where does the Bible claim to be inerrant?


That's nice.

Yeah that's it. The guy went on a rampage because he never got saved huh. I guess that's why people are dying in the middle east too?

To repeat my first question, where does the Bible claim to be without error.

So according to "God's Word", it's wrong to take a life, unless of course God commands you to go out and slaughter a bunch of women and children.

John 1:1. It is talking about the physical manifestation of Jesus Christ. That passage has nothing to say about the Bible. Nice attempt at taking a verse completely out of context.
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If you can follow.........here are the textbook responses.....

Matthew 5:17 - 19* 17. Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. ( Jesus says all Bible law in detail is to be obeyed until heaven passes away {forever})

Luke 16:17 * 17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail. (Jesus says Bible Law is forever)

John 10:35 35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; (Jesus says that all scripture is without error)

2 Timothy 3:16 16 All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: (All scripture is God inspired)

Revelation 22:18 - 19* 18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and [from] the things which are written in this book. (Must believe Revelations as is)

For what it is worth, of course.....
 
#391
#391
MyBloodRunnethOrange said:
I would have a hard time following a God who would order such a thing.
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I grew up in a Super Ultra Legalistic Baptist Church. The church was so legalistic they dropped the moniker of Independent Baptist and went with Distinctly Baptist.

I have all the doctrine mumbo jumbo down pat.

I can remember in a Bible study that this topic was brought up and I said exactly what you posted above.

Very interesting is all I can say.........

Legailsim is a sad existence..........
 
#392
#392
MyBloodRunnethOrange said:
Where does the Bible claim to be inerrant?


That's nice.

[B]Yeah that's it. The guy went on a rampage because he never got saved huh. I guess that's why people are dying in the middle east too?[/B]To repeat my first question, where does the Bible claim to be without error.

So according to "God's Word", it's wrong to take a life, unless of course God commands you to go out and slaughter a bunch of women and children.

John 1:1. It is talking about the physical manifestation of Jesus Christ. That passage has nothing to say about the Bible. Nice attempt at taking a verse completely out of context.
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NEVER SAID THE GUY KILLED THOSE PEOPLE BECAUSE HE DID NOT GET SAVED I SAID THAT WHEN GOD'S WORD IS DEVALUED THAT THE SOCIETY AS A WHOLE TURNS TO CHAOS.

HERE'S MY POINT YOU MAY BELIEVE WHAT YOU WISH IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT YOU OR I THINK I WAS ONLY MAKING A POINT AS TO WHAT I THOUGHT AND BELIEVE I HAVE A FIRM FOUNDATION ON WHICH TO STAND IT'S GOD'S WORD AND I BELIEVE IT AND I AM WILLING AND SATISFIED WITH THAT IF YOU ARE IN THE SAME POSITION WITH YOUR BELIEF GREAT I CAN DIE WITH MY BELEIF THAT GOD'S WORD IS INERRANT AND HEAVEN AWAITS THOSE WHO PLACE THIER FAITH AND TRUST IN HIS SAVIOR . REPENTANCE TOWARD GOD AND FAITH IN THE LORD JESUS IS WHAT SAVES.
NOT RULES REGULATIONS OR LEGALISTIC CONVICTIONS BUT YOU MUST STAND UPON DOCTRINE OF THE SCRIPTURE NOT OF MEN AND TRADITIONS --

I HOPE THAT WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT GOD IS RIGHT THAT HE WOULD NEVER SEND ANYONE TO HELL --IF CHRIST CAME TO SEEK AND TO SAVE WHAT DID HE COME TO SAVE US FROM
 
#393
#393
lzbvol said:
NEVER SAID THE GUY KILLED THOSE PEOPLE BECAUSE HE DID NOT GET SAVED I SAID THAT WHEN GOD'S WORD IS DEVALUED THAT THE SOCIETY AS A WHOLE TURNS TO CHAOS.

HERE'S MY POINT YOU MAY BELIEVE WHAT YOU WISH IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT YOU OR I THINK I WAS ONLY MAKING A POINT AS TO WHAT I THOUGHT AND BELIEVE I HAVE A FIRM FOUNDATION ON WHICH TO STAND IT'S GOD'S WORD AND I BELIEVE IT AND I AM WILLING AND SATISFIED WITH THAT IF YOU ARE IN THE SAME POSITION WITH YOUR BELIEF GREAT I CAN DIE WITH MY BELEIF THAT GOD'S WORD IS INERRANT AND HEAVEN AWAITS THOSE WHO PLACE THIER FAITH AND TRUST IN HIS SAVIOR . REPENTANCE TOWARD GOD AND FAITH IN THE LORD JESUS IS WHAT SAVES.
NOT RULES REGULATIONS OR LEGALISTIC CONVICTIONS BUT YOU MUST STAND UPON DOCTRINE OF THE SCRIPTURE NOT OF MEN AND TRADITIONS --

I HOPE THAT WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT GOD IS RIGHT THAT HE WOULD NEVER SEND ANYONE TO HELL --IF CHRIST CAME TO SEEK AND TO SAVE WHAT DID HE COME TO SAVE US FROM
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Hell
 
#394
#394
lzbvol said:
NEVER SAID THE GUY KILLED THOSE PEOPLE BECAUSE HE DID NOT GET SAVED I SAID THAT WHEN GOD'S WORD IS DEVALUED THAT THE SOCIETY AS A WHOLE TURNS TO CHAOS.

HERE'S MY POINT YOU MAY BELIEVE WHAT YOU WISH IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT YOU OR I THINK I WAS ONLY MAKING A POINT AS TO WHAT I THOUGHT AND BELIEVE I HAVE A FIRM FOUNDATION ON WHICH TO STAND IT'S GOD'S WORD AND I BELIEVE IT AND I AM WILLING AND SATISFIED WITH THAT IF YOU ARE IN THE SAME POSITION WITH YOUR BELIEF GREAT I CAN DIE WITH MY BELEIF THAT GOD'S WORD IS INERRANT AND HEAVEN AWAITS THOSE WHO PLACE THIER FAITH AND TRUST IN HIS SAVIOR . REPENTANCE TOWARD GOD AND FAITH IN THE LORD JESUS IS WHAT SAVES.
NOT RULES REGULATIONS OR LEGALISTIC CONVICTIONS BUT YOU MUST STAND UPON DOCTRINE OF THE SCRIPTURE NOT OF MEN AND TRADITIONS --

I HOPE THAT WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT GOD IS RIGHT THAT HE WOULD NEVER SEND ANYONE TO HELL --IF CHRIST CAME TO SEEK AND TO SAVE WHAT DID HE COME TO SAVE US FROM
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Calm down sparky, no need for the caps.

:thumbsup:
He makes a valid point.

How do you get around the Bible being constantly translated over and over again by people with ulterior motives, such as King James?

Why do we not use the Vulgate Bible?

Why not the Tanakh?

Why not the Textus Receptus?
 
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#396
OrangeEmpire said:
Calm down sparky, no need for the caps.

:thumbsup:
He makes a valid point.

How do you get around the Bible being constantly translated over and over again by people with ulterior motives, such as King James?

Why do we not use the Vulgate Bible?

Why not the Tanakh?

Why not the Textus Receptus?
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CAPS were a mistake -- -- never been called sparky before:post-4-1090547912:
 
#397
#397
OrangeEmpire said:
Calm down sparky, no need for the caps.

:thumbsup:
He makes a valid point.

How do you get around the Bible being constantly translated over and over again by people with ulterior motives, such as King James?

Why do we not use the Vulgate Bible?

Why not the Tanakh?

Why not the Textus Receptus?
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with your background I'm sure you know the answer to that without me trying to explain -- I will just say what I have said before --GOD said he would perserve his word and for some reason I think he is capable of doing that --Do you think he would leave us in this world without his word and go ahead and label me I am a KJV only person :hi:

or should I say AV (authorized version) -- And with your background you know why I am AV only-- NO I am not a legalistic fundamental just drop the legalistic part
 
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#398
lzbvol said:
with your background I'm sure you know the answer to that without me trying to explain -- I will just say what I have said before --GOD said he would perserve his word and for some reason I think he is capable of doing that --Do you think he would leave us in this world without his word and go ahead and label me I am a KJV only person :hi:

or should I say AV (authorized version) -- And with your background you know why I am AV only-- NO I am not a legalistic fundamental just drop the legalistic part
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Forgive me, but do you use the 1611 version of the King James Bible?
 
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#400
OrangeEmpire said:
Forgive me, but do you use the 1611 version of the King James Bible?
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You know the answer to that already-- don't you -- The version question can in my small mind be answered easily if a person believes the core doctrine of scripture when that person will compare KJV with any version including the NKJV, as you know that WE fundamental's and really anyone who study's much that --THE Blood--THE Diety of Christ-- The Virgin birth--the way of salvation, are doctrines that if you start changing a few words here or there can drastically change the meaning of a verse and will allow room for cultism to take hold --

Without the shedding of blood their is no remission of sins-- when a version takes out the blood from a passage I have no trust in that version -- when version changes the word VIRGIN to Young girl shall conceive then I think we have a difference between Virgin and young girl --- If CHRIST was not born of a Virgin then is not different than you and I --

One Door,one faith, one baptism, one LORD,one GOD,one word of GOD,--- A whole lot of one's so I would think they would be one word of GOD ..

The greater question for all that are :popcorn: is the minute after you die where will you be all the debate and cute replies will be useless then --- You can make a lot of mistakes and be wrong about alot of things but if your wrong about salvation "YOU AIN'T COMING BACK TO FIX THAT" Evg. Billy Mitchell ends nearly every sermon with that quote. Where will you be a hundred years from now that's the question
 
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