Bible Topic Thread (merged)

#426
#426
CSpindizzy said:
Ahhh...you bring up prophecy. Which could open a whole new line of discussions. Do you believe that knowledge, prophecy, and tongues gifts have ceased or that all gifts are still available through the Holy Spirit? I reference where I debate with my Baptist preacher - 1 Corinthians starting with verse 8 or 9.
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I believe God grants gifts through the Holy Spirit. I have no other biblical reason to think other wise.

My two strongest gifts are administration and servanthood.
 
#429
#429
I believe in all gifts and their continuity. There is nothing to indicate any get 'cancelled' other than what I consider a misreading of 1 Cor 13. Prophecy is something that has been around and will continue even as Joel said and Christ quoted for in the last days.
 
#430
#430
OE I've got a LOT of respect for you!

Maybe this will spark a debate for you all to discuss while I'm gone.

I do believe all the prophecies that needed to be fulfilled have been so Christ is on the edge of His throne.

I do believe the saved will be taken with the Lord before the 7 years starts.

I think there is a chance the anti-christ will come from or be the head of the EU.

The Jewish people will come to know Jesus in insane amount of numbers during that 7 years.

The AC will need to be the one that brings peace to Israel and the Jews/Arabs, then will turn on them with Russia at some point.

I'm getting excited but it's almost time for me to get outta here!
 
#431
#431
Let's run with that. If they have been fulfilled, why is prophecy something mentioned as a gift of the Spirit, even after Christ's resurrection?
 
#433
#433
I forgot to ask what the cutoff was on prophecy being fulfilled. I've heard this being said but have never asked anyone what the 'end' period was.
 
#434
#434
CSpindizzy said:
Let's run with that. If they have been fulfilled, why is prophecy something mentioned as a gift of the Spirit, even after Christ's resurrection?
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Valid question, I just don't understand what there is to prophesize about. I mean I'm not going to sit here and say 100% that nobody can but who these days does prhophesizes that you are aware of? (that's a real question not sarcasm)
 
#435
#435
I will be 100% honest that is what I have been taught by older christians I have studied the word with and have done little research for myself. So I am very open to listening to a counter arguement based on scripture!
 
#436
#436
Well prophecy even in OT times was limited and very few heard or even accepted it. I just believe that all spiritual gifts are still 'available' even today. Just because we don't personally witness it or even understand it doesn't mean it is not true or still happening. I just think that there are many who automatically mock those primarily in Pentecostal denominations as not being honest with tongues especially. Where I have been offended by my pastor is that he says this no longer exists. If that is true then those who have experienced it and even believe it must be mocking the Holy Spirit for claiming something of the Spirit that is not true. His reference is 1 Cor 13 where it mentions "tongues will cease" but apparently ignores everything else around it.
 
#438
#438
JZVOL said:
OE I've got a LOT of respect for you!

Maybe this will spark a debate for you all to discuss while I'm gone.

I do believe all the prophecies that needed to be fulfilled have been so Christ is on the edge of His throne.

I do believe the saved will be taken with the Lord before the 7 years starts.

I think there is a chance the anti-christ will come from or be the head of the EU.

The Jewish people will come to know Jesus in insane amount of numbers during that 7 years.

The AC will need to be the one that brings peace to Israel and the Jews/Arabs, then will turn on them with Russia at some point.

I'm getting excited but it's almost time for me to get outta here!
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Speaking of the tribulation, how do you get around Matthew 24. No doubt in my mind we will see the tribulation through.
 
#439
#439
CSpindizzy said:
Well prophecy even in OT times was limited and very few heard or even accepted it. I just believe that all spiritual gifts are still 'available' even today. Just because we don't personally witness it or even understand it doesn't mean it is not true or still happening. I just think that there are many who automatically mock those primarily in Pentecostal denominations as not being honest with tongues especially. Where I have been offended by my pastor is that he says this no longer exists. If that is true then those who have experienced it and even believe it must be mocking the Holy Spirit for claiming something of the Spirit that is not true. His reference is 1 Cor 13 where it mentions "tongues will cease" but apparently ignores everything else around it.
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Remember the Bible specifically states the test for tongues.

When I remember where that is, I will get back to you.
 
#441
#441
OrangeEmpire said:
Remember the Bible specifically states the test for tongues.

When I remember where that is, I will get back to you.
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I know what you refer to. There is a test. I agree. And many who 'practice' it are false. But I think those have done more to convince people tongues are no longer existent than the Bible has.
 
#446
#446
Come on spin, you know the rapture theory is only a couple hundred years old.

Just another way the European/North American cutlure has corrupted teachings of the Bible.
 
#448
#448
Is this better?:)

Matthew 24
Signs of the End of the Age
1Jesus left the temple and was walking away when his disciples came up to him to call his attention to its buildings. 2"Do you see all these things?" he asked. "I tell you the truth, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down."
3As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. "Tell us," they said, "when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?"

4Jesus answered: "Watch out that no one deceives you. 5For many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am the Christ,[a]' and will deceive many. 6You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8All these are the beginning of birth pains.

9"Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. 10At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. 12Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13but he who stands firm to the end will be saved. 14And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

15"So when you see standing in the holy place 'the abomination that causes desolation,' spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand— 16then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17Let no one on the roof of his house go down to take anything out of the house. 18Let no one in the field go back to get his cloak. 19How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! 20Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath. 21For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again. 22If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened. 23At that time if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ!' or, 'There he is!' do not believe it. 24For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect—if that were possible. 25See, I have told you ahead of time.

26"So if anyone tells you, 'There he is, out in the desert,' do not go out; or, 'Here he is, in the inner rooms,' do not believe it. 27For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 28Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.

29"Immediately after the distress of those days
" 'the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.'[c]

30"At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory. 31And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

32"Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. 33Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it[d]is near, right at the door. 34I tell you the truth, this generation[e] will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. 35Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.

The Day and Hour Unknown
36"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son,[f] but only the Father. 37As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 40Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. 41Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left.
42"Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come. 43But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. 44So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.

45"Who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom the master has put in charge of the servants in his household to give them their food at the proper time? 46It will be good for that servant whose master finds him doing so when he returns. 47I tell you the truth, he will put him in charge of all his possessions. 48But suppose that servant is wicked and says to himself, 'My master is staying away a long time,' 49and he then begins to beat his fellow servants and to eat and drink with drunkards. 50The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of. 51He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
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