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#751
#751
OrangeEmpire said:
Scary..........:eek:hmy:
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I agree completely with TRUT on this one. Do you guys really believe that God is going to take some 8th century Mayan who lived a selfless life, who put others before himself, and throw him into the eternal torture chamber. This guy never heard of Jesus of Nazereth, so how in the world is he supposed to worship him? His big problem is where and when he was born. Sorry guys, but our Mayan friend never asked to be born in the first place. Not only that, but he was born with the game already fixed against him.
 
#752
#752
CSpindizzy said:
I'm not sure what this has to do with literalists but the Sabbath is still technically Friday at dusk to Saturday at dusk. We worship on Sunday because it is the day Christ rose from the dead and thus commemorate that. There are those Christians who say that Sunday is the Sabbath but that is not accurate. Could that be the reason we have both Saturday and Sunday off of traditional work weeks?
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Very true, but most Christians I know see Saturday as just another day. I know the reasons why Christians worship on Sunday, but I was wondering if the Bible actually authorizes the change, or if the church just decided to do it on their own. What it has to do with literalists is that they are the ones I would expect to strictly adhere to the seventh day.
 
#753
#753
therealUT said:
Find anything that translates to humble in the following:
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I honestly don't know why I bother with you. You've taken everything I've said out of context. You took someone else's comment taken out of context to somehow tell me what I said when I didn't even come close. We agree to disagree. You believe what you want and I believe what I want.
 
#754
#754
CSpindizzy said:
Poor in spirit means humble. It means having a very humble attitude and not proud and boastful. Those who hunger and thirst for righteousness will be filled by God's Spirit. That's right.

It's exclusive because Christ made it so. This is not a warm and fuzzy path here. You're either the wheat or the chaff. And the lukewarm doesn't get favor with God either. Sorry but the words are clear.
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therealUT said:
No. That is the definition for "meek."
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CSpindizzy said:
Well take it up with the original Greek and what that whole line translates to. Again, go to the source instead of assuming.
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therealUT said:
Find anything that translates to humble in the following:
Μακάριοι οἱ πτωχοὶ τῷ πνεύματι, ὅτι αὐτῶν ἐστιν ἡ βασιλεία τῶν οὐρανῶν.
Mt 5:3
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CSpindizzy said:
I honestly don't know why I bother with you. You've taken everything I've said out of context. You took someone else's comment taken out of context to somehow tell me what I said when I didn't even come close. We agree to disagree. You believe what you want and I believe what I want.
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#755
#755
Whistle all you want. Anytime you've been handed proof you've changed it around so why should I waste my time? I've made very clear and basic statements but somehow you think I said Catholics were false teachers. No matter what I say, you have a predetermined viewpoint that will distort what I say.

Even if I show fact, it still does not prove your own point that there is another way to Heaven. No matter how you translate "poor in spirit" you cannot get those who do not believe in God or have faith in Him get to Heaven. So again, why bother when you cannot even prove your point?
 
#756
#756
Well, 65% of all Christendom believes the same way I do, as it concerns salvation. So, apparently, my point has been more than proven.
 
#757
#757
Are we saying percentages determines fact now? Let's poll that 65% and ask them if they can explain it in detail and back up with facts. Belief, and a majority at that, does not mean proven/fact. I know many within that 65% that debate that aspect. So not all 65% is firm in that belief.
 
#758
#758
CSpindizzy said:
Are we saying percentages determines fact now? Let's poll that 65% and ask them if they can explain it in detail and back up with facts. Belief, and a majority at that, does not mean proven/fact. I know many within that 65% that debate that aspect. So not all 65% is firm in that belief.
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Poll the other 35% and tell me how many of them can explain it in detail and back it up (also, with facts is completely irrelevant. There are no historically official documents as to anything that Jesus actually said. Therefore, there are no facts involved.)

I also doubt you know enough within that 65% to materially sway the percentages. You might know enough, among one billion Catholics, to sway these results maybe 0.00005%.
 
#759
#759
therealUT said:
Poll the other 35% and tell me how many of them can explain it in detail and back it up (also, with facts is completely irrelevant. There are no historically official documents as to anything that Jesus actually said. Therefore, there are no facts involved.)

I also doubt you know enough within that 65% to materially sway the percentages. You might know enough, among one billion Catholics, to sway these results maybe 0.00005%.
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Why should I poll the other 35%? I'm not the one making some claim about 65% of Christians. I'm not speaking for Christianity. I'm not speaking for Protestants. But it looks as if you are and you seem to believe you know what all of them believe.

If there are no facts involved, then why are you arguing? How can you say there are other ways to Heaven if you think no facts are involved? If there are no facts involved as you say, how can you make any claims? You seem quite sure of the 'truth' for someone who says there are no facts.

Sway the percentages? I don't need to sway. I think the facts speak for themselves. How many Catholics are adamant about disagreements with the Pope? If they do not even believe what the Pope says, how can you claim that the 65% is uniform? Judging by the attitudes of European Catholics and their views on what the Pope says, I'd say your fraction used needs to be upped. But again, I'm not speaking for them unlike some.
 
#760
#760
CSpindizzy said:
Why should I poll the other 35%? I'm not the one making some claim about 65% of Christians. I'm not speaking for Christianity. I'm not speaking for Protestants. But it looks as if you are and you seem to believe you know what all of them believe.

If there are no facts involved, then why are you arguing? How can you say there are other ways to Heaven if you think no facts are involved? If there are no facts involved as you say, how can you make any claims? You seem quite sure of the 'truth' for someone who says there are no facts.

Sway the percentages? I don't need to sway. I think the facts speak for themselves. How many Catholics are adamant about disagreements with the Pope? If they do not even believe what the Pope says, how can you claim that the 65% is uniform? Judging by the attitudes of European Catholics and their views on what the Pope says, I'd say your fraction used needs to be upped. But again, I'm not speaking for them unlike some.
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So now disagreeing with the Pope over issues is somehow disagreeing with Catholic Dogma? I am glad that you are providing so much of the Catholic education that I must have missed over the years.
 
#761
#761
Did I say disagreeing with the Pope=disagreeing with Catholic dogma? You are truly amazing. And yes I do know those who disagree with Catholic dogma. Last I checked, very few members of ANY denomination agree 100% with their group's dogma. There are always subtle items people will disagree on.
 
#764
#764
CSpindizzy said:
Where's Bloody Mary when you need her?
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Another interesting factoid for you history buffs. "Bloody Mary" had 283 protestants executed over five years. Queen Elizabeth, the one who commissioned the King James Bible, had 800 Catholics executed on one day.
 
#765
#765
therealUT said:
Another interesting factoid for you history buffs. "Bloody Mary" had 283 protestants executed over five years. Queen Elizabeth, the one who commissioned the King James Bible, had 800 Catholics executed on one day.
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#766
#766
Does that mean the Protestant is a GREATER murderer? And were all of those killed solely because of their denominational position or due to other reasons?
 
#767
#767
CSpindizzy said:
Does that mean the Protestant is a GREATER murderer? And were those killed solely because of their denominational position or due to other reasons?
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Yes.

And, they were killed solely because they were Catholic and were adament on attending Catholic Mass.
 
#768
#768
So the fact that Mary, the Catholic, murdered people for the same logic is less evil? What gave Mary the authority to judge heresy in the Catholic Church? What gave her the authority to kill based on her preception of heresy?
 
#769
#769
I always wondered where the concept of burning at the stake came from. Where does it give man the power to judge and sentence to death based on their faith or lack of as judged by others?
 
#770
#770
CSpindizzy said:
Does that mean the Protestant is a GREATER murderer? And were all of those killed solely because of their denominational position or due to other reasons?
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therealUT said:
Yes.

And, they were killed solely because they were Catholic and were adament on attending Catholic Mass.
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CSpindizzy said:
So the fact that Mary, the Catholic, murdered people for the same logic is less evil? What gave Mary the authority to judge heresy in the Catholic Church? What gave her the authority to kill based on her preception of heresy?
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I don't believe I ever stated that Mary was less evil than Elizabeth. I simply stated that Elizabeth (the Protestant) was the greater murderer...since she killed over three times as many people.

Funny how that works.
 
#771
#771
MyBloodRunnethOrange said:
I agree completely with TRUT on this one. Do you guys really believe that God is going to take some 8th century Mayan who lived a selfless life, who put others before himself, and throw him into the eternal torture chamber. This guy never heard of Jesus of Nazereth, so how in the world is he supposed to worship him? His big problem is where and when he was born. Sorry guys, but our Mayan friend never asked to be born in the first place. Not only that, but he was born with the game already fixed against him.
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I had to go back and check what you quoted me on.

By the way, I am still scared you and TRUT agree on something.

:thumbsup: :)
 
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