Bible Topic Thread (merged)

[breezybird]

I just know what I know. I know God is looking out for me and He's taking care of me. If things happen, I know He is in control of it and will never leave nor forsake me.

 

[OrangeEmpire]

I just know what I know. I know God is looking out for me and He's taking care of me. If things happen, I know He is in control of it and will never leave nor forsake me.

That is the attitute you should take.

It is understood you are going to peak and valley all through life.

The key is the personal relationship maintains at the same level at the peak and the valley.

 

[rbroyles]

Of course it goes somewhere, you have no idea who is watching and forming their own opinions of the subjects discussed in this thread.

A lot of people choose to pm to the posters of the thread and it is a great opportunity for you to talk about your faith.

Who is arguing..... the premise of the whole discussion is to have fun......

The great part about debate is being challenged on what you believe........

Take a better point of view with this!

:hi:

:rock: Maybe we need to revisit the Civil War, or maybe WWll this time.

 

[volmanic]

Of course it goes somewhere, you have no idea who is watching and forming their own opinions of the subjects discussed in this thread.

A lot of people choose to pm to the posters of the thread and it is a great opportunity for you to talk about your faith.

Who is arguing..... the premise of the whole discussion is to have fun......

The great part about debate is being challenged on what you believe........

Take a better point of view with this!

:hi:

It's not about being challenged. It is turning into an argument, and a " I am right, and you are wrong" type of discussion. I'm not about that. If i've come across that way, then I apologize. I love debating, and if thats the case I will continue.

 

[OrangeEmpire]

:rock: Maybe we need to revisit the Civil War, or maybe WWll this time.

Which one first and what do you want to cover?

The fact that Grant wasn't scared of Lee but he was scared of Johnston?

That usually pisses a lot of people off because they don't understand the reason why he said it.

:birgits_giggle:

 

[OrangeEmpire]

It's not about being challenged. It is turning into an argument, and a " I am right, and you are wrong" type of discussion. I'm not about that. If i've come across that way, then I apologize. I love debating, and if thats the case I will continue.

You just come off indignent at times.....

:hi:

 

[rbroyles]

It's not about being challenged. It is turning into an argument, and a " I am right, and you are wrong" type of discussion. I'm not about that. If i've come across that way, then I apologize. I love debating, and if thats the case I will continue.

Tell me if I'm incorrect, but isn't the definition of debating to argue one's opinion over another, without personal attacks?

 

[volmanic]

You just come off indignent at times.....

:hi:

I'm not " Mad" so I would have to say im not indignent. I am strong and determined in my beliefs.

 

[rbroyles]

Which one first and what do you want to cover?

The fact that Grant wasn't scared of Lee but he was scared of Johnston?

That usually pisses a lot of people off because they don't understand the reason why he said it.

:birgits_giggle:

I may have to plead ignorance, the only Johnston I am aware of was General Washington Johnston, an opponent to slavery, but he died before the war. He fought at Tippacanoe.

 

[volmanic]

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Tell me if I'm incorrect, but isn't the definition of debating to argue one's opinion over another, without personal attacks?

That's a great point. I think you are correct, so for that I was wrong. lol

 

[tnvolsfan85]

Amazing Testimony hndog!

 

[OrangeEmpire]

I'm not " Mad" so I would have to say im not indignent. I am strong and determined in my beliefs.

No just referencing the typical "christian" pot shot.... "if you are there" ......

 

[OrangeEmpire]

I may have to plead ignorance, the only Johnston I am aware of was General Washington Johnston, an opponent to slavery, but he died before the war. He fought at Tippacanoe.

Ok, you lost me...... :crazy:

I was talking about Joseph E. Johnston.

Before the Wildnerness Campaign Grant's subordinates where gawking about Lee and Grant replied that he was not worried about Lee, he was worried about Johnston.

 

[volmanic]

Doesnt hurt people to hear the truth sometimes either.

 

[volmanic]

If your not living the life your supposed to, and you hold a grudge towards God, and you don't accept him into your life...you will not get to heaven.

 

[allvol123]

Doesnt hurt people to hear the truth sometimes either.

Good thing you know what the truth is for their sake. Cough cough.

 

[allvol123]

If your not living the life your supposed to, and you hold a grudge towards God, and you don't accept him into your life...you will not get to heaven.

But God controls all, according to you. So if you do not make it to heaven, it is His fault.

 

[volmanic]

But God controls all, according to you. So if you do not make it to heaven, it is His fault.

You have taken this WAY beyond what it meand. God controls all that HAPPENS to you. He does not control the way you choose to live your life. That's why he sent his son Jesus, to come and die for your sins. So you can ACCEPT to follow him on your own free will. If you choose not to, then you know the outcome.

 

[allvol123]

You have taken this WAY beyond what it meand. God controls all that HAPPENS to you. He does not control the way you choose to live your life. That's why he sent his son Jesus, to come and die for your sins. So you can ACCEPT to follow him on your own free will. If you choose not to, then you know the outcome.

I see. I'll CHOOSE not to view life and God's role in it the same way you do.

 

[OrangeEmpire]

That's up to you my friend. I am not degrading you, or downsizing your opinions. You do have a lot to learn in this life. God controls all. That's not just some things, but ALL. You cant even begin to comprehend the reasons things happen, thats why he is God. No one knows the mind of God. There is so much to be revealed. Why does God let kids have cancer? I dont know that? Maybe you can ask him one day, if you get the chance.

That isn't telling someone the truth, that is being an arrogant christian.

:no:

 

[volmanic]

That isn't telling someone the truth, that is being an arrogant christian.

:no:

No....No its not. I am not an arrogant person. I am just telling him that if his views dont change, and he doesnt let God control his life, and he doesnt start living for Jeuse he wont make it. That is the truth.

 

[coffeevol]

OK so I have kept quiet for a long time on this issue but here are my thoughts on church, Christians, God, and religion which are all different. The religion of today is growing at a faster pace than ever and that is great but so many folks are turned off of “church” because today’s churches are filled with hypocrites….NEWS FLASH….. So is the world. I think so much of finding that peace that we area all looking for spending time one on one either praying or in scripture and growing your own “personal” relationship with Jesus. If you seek him and his presence then you will ultimately grow closer to him and get some of the answers you are after. So many people make being a Christian sound much harder that it actually is. I have also heard all of the questions about what God “lets happen to us”. I think Gods presence is in everything he created; however he has given us free will to make our own decisions and choose our own destiny. If someone you know has gotten sick or even died that is just part of your life. God gives and takes away, we do not know the reasoning behind this and that is one more thing that makes him God. We are not supposed to understand, if we did then he would not be God. So people will call faith ignorance and in a sense I guess by definition it truly is, but that is a chance I am willing to take. The bible was written over a period of 2000 years and always gave names of witnesses and time frames for every miracle that occurred it was not just one guys word they always gave description of everyone there and several accounts. My faith is strong and I have been in the darkness for a long time before I found the answers I was looking for. One thing that always stood out to me is Jesus did not go to the priests, the rich, the religious, and scholars to be disciples, he went to the common man. He found average men and made them teachers of the truth, mercy, forgiveness, healing, grace, and love. Are you guys just average Joes? If so then, do you not think he could still transform you today into the life he has for you? Sorry I got a little preachy but I could go on and this longer than I wanted anyways…….thanks

 

[OrangeEmpire]

No....No its not. I am not an arrogant person. I am just telling him that if his views dont change, and he doesnt let God control his life, and he doesnt start living for Jeuse he wont make it. That is the truth.

That hurts the christian trying to witness to an unbeliever when you take a stance such as that.

If that is being christ like why would any one want to be a christian?

The burden is on us.

 

[breezybird]

That isn't telling someone the truth, that is being an arrogant christian.

:no:

I don't see that as being arrogant....I just see that as sharing what God has told us through history, the Bible, and the teachings....

 

[OrangeEmpire]

OK so I have kept quiet for a long time on this issue but here are my thoughts on church, Christians, God, and religion which are all different. The religion of today is growing at a faster pace than ever and that is great but so many folks are turned off of “church” because today’s churches are filled with hypocrites….NEWS FLASH….. So is the world. I think so much of finding that peace that we area all looking for spending time one on one either praying or in scripture and growing your own “personal” relationship with Jesus. If you seek him and his presence then you will ultimately grow closer to him and get some of the answers you are after. So many people make being a Christian sound much harder that it actually is. I have also heard all of the questions about what God “lets happen to us”. I think Gods presence is in everything he created; however he has given us free will to make our own decisions and choose our own destiny. If someone you know has gotten sick or even died that is just part of your life. God gives and takes away, we do not know the reasoning behind this and that is one more thing that makes him God. We are not supposed to understand, if we did then he would not be God. So people will call faith ignorance and in a sense I guess by definition it truly is, but that is a chance I am willing to take. The bible was written over a period of 2000 years and always gave names of witnesses and time frames for every miracle that occurred it was not just one guys word they always gave description of everyone there and several accounts. My faith is strong and I have been in the darkness for a long time before I found the answers I was looking for. One thing that always stood out to me is Jesus did not go to the priests, the rich, the religious, and scholars to be disciples, he went to the common man. He found average men and made them teachers of the truth, mercy, forgiveness, healing, grace, and love. Are you guys just average Joes? If so then, do you not think he could still transform you today into the life he has for you? Sorry I got a little preachy but I could go on and this longer than I wanted anyways…….thanks

You were away to long!

Good to have you back!

It cracks me up when people lift the disciples up as superhumans......... like you said all of them were run of the mill joes..... well except for Luke.