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I have a question,What if as long as you love God you could do as you please? Would this be a good thing? Why or why not.
 
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rbroyles said:
I have a question,What if as long as you love God you could do as you please? Would this be a good thing? Why or why not.
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What do you mean by "do" as you please? If your talking about the "worldy" things then you would be as they say strattleing the fence. When you love God, but are only a christian on Sunday you are what they call lukewarm. God said he would rather you be hot or cold, for if you are lukewarm it makes him sick, and he will spew you out of his mouth. Once you have fully accepted christ into your life, you don't want to do as you please, you live to please God.
 
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volsforever27 said:
PJ, I really don't have time to go into this, but I always read your posts and wonder why the animosity.
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I try not to come across like that but when I am constantly told I'm wrong, have warped thinking, damned to hell (which is actually funny to a person like me), etc it kinda ticks me off. It shouldn't but it does. I've seen people with similar beliefs as mine given such hell in threads like these on VN that they quit posting altogether. I have a problem with people telling me that if I don't live my life by the rules of a book written by man then I am worth less than they are. I ask, is that truly the message you are trying to send?

Here you have a chance to do what dozens of posts in this thread claim is the job of all Christians, spread the word to non-believers, but when given the chance most choose to point fingers and call names. I am comfortable with who I am and what I believe but it seems many here are just paying lip service to what they believe. Again I ask, is that truly the message you are trying to send?

As for the other part of your post, there are billions of people in the world right now who may hear the word "Christian" but never have the opportunity to know what it means (besides maybe infidel). The fact that the hard-line Christians say they will never get to enjoy the afterlife that their creator made for them is pure arrogance IMO.

I spent most of my earlier life in a large church in Knoxville. I know the scriptures and I know what I was taught they mean. At a point I actually studied them and the history of the church/Bible and decided I did not believe much of what was said. Many people do and that's great but it's not for me. I apologize if I have offended anyone but if challenging their beliefs like they challenge mine is wrong then this place just wouldn't be fun anymore.
 
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PJ if I offended you in ANY way yesterday I am truely sorry. I didn't set out to point any finger in your face. It just seemed to me that you were angry with God, or angry with chrisitans. I would truely like to know what you belive in. I dont think you were given the chance. Can you please share with me what you actually believe in. It will help me to understand where you are coming from. You say that you studied that bible and the teachings of Christ, but you don't belive most of it. What don't you beleive? If you could help me understand where you are coming from it would help me out a lot. Again, I didn't mean to hurt you in any way.
 
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As for the other part of your post, there are billions of people in the world right now who may hear the word "Christian" but never have the opportunity to know what it means (besides maybe infidel). The fact that the hard-line Christians say they will never get to enjoy the afterlife that their creator made for them is pure arrogance IMO.

There are many differing beliefs about this subject. The best answer (and the one I believe in) is that even if you have never read the Bible or been given witness to it and Christianity you can still enter heaven as long as you have lived a decent and just life. Outlined in the common sense principals of the Ten Commandments. Even though you may never have been exposed to them most people would recognize them as common sense.
 
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KB5252 said:
As for the other part of your post, there are billions of people in the world right now who may hear the word "Christian" but never have the opportunity to know what it means (besides maybe infidel). The fact that the hard-line Christians say they will never get to enjoy the afterlife that their creator made for them is pure arrogance IMO.

There are many differing beliefs about this subject. The best answer (and the one I believe in) is that even if you have never read the Bible or been given witness to it and Christianity you can still enter heaven as long as you have lived a decent and just life. Outlined in the common sense principals of the Ten Commandments. Even though you may never have been exposed to them most people would recognize them as common sense.
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No one will go to Hell because they haven't heard of Jesus Christ. The heathen will go to Hell for murder, rape, adultery, lust, theft, lying, etc. Sin is not failing to hear the Gospel, "sin is transgression of the Law" (1 John 3:4). If we really care about them, we will become missionaries and take the good news of God's forgiveness in Christ to them. As a lot are doing.
 
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rocky_top_craigen said:
PJ if I offended you in ANY way yesterday I am truely sorry. I didn't set out to point any finger in your face. It just seemed to me that you were angry with God, or angry with chrisitans. I would truely like to know what you belive in. I dont think you were given the chance. Can you please share with me what you actually believe in. It will help me to understand where you are coming from. You say that you studied that bible and the teachings of Christ, but you don't belive most of it. What don't you beleive? If you could help me understand where you are coming from it would help me out a lot. Again, I didn't mean to hurt you in any way.
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Why do you need to understand what he believes? He has been clear that he understands the Bible, but doesn't believe what's written there.

There is an enormous leap of faith in being a Christian. There is an enormous leap of faith in any base belief about our origins. Most don't like to admit that agnosticism is steeped in a belief in nothing, which is equally hard to believe as a supreme entity creating us all in his image. If you TRULY believe the Bible that you continue to espouse, then you know full well that the number of non-believers is going to be enormous.

Spreading the word is not shoving it down throats or harassing for answers. It's about passing on knowledge and allowing the Holy Spirit, as designed by God, to do its thing.

At the end of the day, we all owe ourselves to review our origins for ourselves and to make sure that we understand fully what we believe about them. There is no more fundamental question to this life. Those without a grasp on this answer are destined to share Nietzsche's futile view of life. That's OK.
 
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KB5252 said:
There are many differing beliefs about this subject. The best answer (and the one I believe in) is that even if you have never read the Bible or been given witness to it and Christianity you can still enter heaven as long as you have lived a decent and just life. Outlined in the common sense principals of the Ten Commandments. Even though you may never have been exposed to them most people would recognize them as common sense.
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I think there is more to it though.Before Christ,people were justified by faith. Just looking around your enviroment and seeing the wonders of nature makes you realize there has to be some creator that made it and made you.That is probably the most simplistic faith in God there is but, combine doing right, a sense of remorse when we do wrong with a desire for forgiveness and we are probably on the right track.
 
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McLovin said:
Just looking around your enviroment and seeing the wonders of nature makes you realize there has to be some creator that made it and made you.
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Christians always toss this one out there, but this is the type of statement that just bewilders non-believers and I fully understand that.

Things like conscience point heavily toward a Creator, but nature's beauty is just a lame argument.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Christians always toss this one out there, but this is the type of statement that just bewilders non-believers and I fully understand that.

Things like conscience point heavily toward a Creator, but nature's beauty is just a lame argument.
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I can understand why non believers would find it odd but don't you think our universe and the plants and animals around us show some kind of intelligent design, at least to some extent?
 
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rocky_top_craigen said:
What do you mean by "do" as you please? If your talking about the "worldy" things then you would be as they say strattleing the fence. When you love God, but are only a christian on Sunday you are what they call lukewarm. God said he would rather you be hot or cold, for if you are lukewarm it makes him sick, and he will spew you out of his mouth. Once you have fully accepted christ into your life, you don't want to do as you please, you live to please God.
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Would it be possible to love God as we are told in Duteronomy with all our heart, with all our soul, with all our might and still live an ungodly life?
 
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KB5252 said:
I can understand why non believers would find it odd but don't you think our universe and the plants and animals around us show some kind of intelligent design, at least to some extent?
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I do, but it's a very weak argument when science can effectively explain most of it with some level of accuracy.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
I do, but it's a very weak argument when science can effectively explain most of it with some level of accuracy.
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That is my problem with science, a good number of the "explained" things are constantly being revised because some new information comes to light that conflicts with the current explanation. Some theories have to be scrapped all together because of new info from studies, this is especially true with regards to the science of our galaxy and the universe.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Christians always toss this one out there, but this is the type of statement that just bewilders non-believers and I fully understand that.

Things like conscience point heavily toward a Creator, but nature's beauty is just a lame argument.
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I didn't mean it as a blanket statement,sorry.
Clearly,not everyone is going to look up at the stars,ocean,mountains or what have you and see a creator. I can say it was a beginning for me at least and I'm sure others in past times without access to the info we have in our day. So,I disagree envisioning the universe being created as lame.No matter what the arguement,there are going to be non-believers.
 
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KB5252 said:
That is my problem with science, a good number of the "explained" things are constantly being revised because some new information comes to light that conflicts with the current explanation. Some theories have to be scrapped all together because of new info from studies, this is especially true with regards to the science of our galaxy and the universe.
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while that might be true, the argument that the intricate and amazing nature of our galaxy works for me, but it just doesn't for the overwhelming majority of the doubters out there.
 
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volmanic said:
July-August 2000


Powerful read on 10 evidences of creation.
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not really. All that says is that if you can't prove evolution beyond a shadow of a doubt then creationism must be true. There is more proof listed in that article to support evolution than there is to prove creationism. It's been happening for billions of years so complexity proves nothing.
 
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rbroyles said:
I apologize OE, I do know who Joseph E Johnston was, I seem to have periods of complete brain fade at times. I'll tell you more via PM. Considering Johnston's lack of any real success as General of the Army of Northern VA, then later against Sherman, Grant's remark is curious. Was it a tongue in cheek type of remark?
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I know this is off topic, but hey it is my thread....

All Grant meant was Lee would come at him. Grant would never have to chase after Lee.

When Grant was talking about Johnston he simply meant Johnston would run and fight on his terms which in the end it would take a lot longer to win the war.

I think Grant was correct in his observation.
 
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volmanic said:
Everyone will hear about Jesus somehow. Everyone is given a chance to either accept him or not. Show me something that tells me there are billions of people who are not given the chance?
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Every one?

How so?

People in remote tribes in Africa, South America, the Pacific Rim will never hear about Jesus.
 
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