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volmanic said:
Are you a christian OE? It seems like your out to be everyones friend, instead of hopefully saving someone from Hell.
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1.) Yes I am a christian.

2.) As for your second part that is an incredible judgement of my character. For the mere fact I choose a different method than you I will not save someone from hell.

Do you actually see what you are typing?
 
#1,733
#1,733
KB5252 said:
This is the main reason I abandoned my beliefs for about 5 years and studied different religion. I studied the Bible and many other beliefs from a neutral point of view.
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I think that's why a lot of people lose faith to be honest. As I've said before, it should be abpout worshipping God, but it gets bogged down with crazy man made stuff.
 
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emainvol said:
Well, it also assumes that you are picking the "right" form of God.
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Assuming I am right and a God does exist. I'd feel safe in believing God would be OK if I chose the "wrong" God and didn't get it all right, what with me being human and non-perfect and all. But choosing to not believe at all, not so sure about.
 
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volmanic said:
Are you a christian OE? It seems like your out to be everyones friend, instead of hopefully saving someone from Hell.
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That is just the point brother. You will not save him with one liners and brimstone! It is not about being his friend, it is about a Christian judging another man (I leave that to God) if there is any way to reach people like e-main or pj it is through example and friendship, it will be a process over time not just telling them you are better than them, remember we all have sin and yours is no better than theirs. Just remember it is a marathon not a sprint.
 
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allvol123 said:
Assuming I am right and a God does exist. I'd feel safe in believing God would be OK if I chose the "wrong" God and didn't get it all right, what with me being human and non-perfect and all. But choosing to not believe at all, not so sure about.
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my belief is not really a choice though, I couldn't wake up tomorrow and decide "okay I am going to believe in God now." This is where one of my major problems with religion lies, for most people, there is absolutely no way to change their mind, it is just how they are wired. How can they be punished for that?
 
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alright, good discussion guys, I will be back on tomorrow. Now it is time for work, and then the Dark Knight midnight showing!
 
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emainvol said:
my belief is not really a choice though, I couldn't wake up tomorrow and decide "okay I am going to believe in God now." This is where one of my major problems with religion lies, for most people, there is absolutely no way to change their mind, it is just how they are wired. How can they be punished for that?
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I don't know. As I have always believed, so I have no idea how it is to feel as you feel on the issue. But I disagree, it is a choice in my opinion. Perhaps harder for some.
 
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KB5252 said:
That is just the point brother. You will not save him with one liners and brimstone! It is not about being his friend, it is about a Christian judging another man (I l
eave that to God) if there is any way to reach people like e-main or pj it is through example and friendship, it will be a process over time not just telling them you are better than them, remember we all have sin and yours is no better than theirs. Just remember it is a marathon not a sprint.
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You have got to be kidding me. I never said I was better than him. I never said my sins were lesser than his. I've tried the rational approach, I've tried to give it to him lightly. If he can say my beliefs are wrong and I serve a unloving God I take offense to that.
 
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Wow, now there is arguement among us christians as to the "right way" to do witness and save someone, just try to be christlike and lead by example, there is no wrong way if you follows the teachings of Christ.... No wonder Gahndi(SP) said ..."I like your Christ....just not your Christians", speak the truth, follow the word of God, and just let your light shine
 
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volmanic said:
You have got to be kidding me. I never said I was better than him. I never said my sins were lesser than his. I've tried the rational approach, I've tried to give it to him lightly. If he can say my beliefs are wrong and I serve a unloving God I take offense to that.
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Or better yet!

Are you a christian OE? It seems like your out to be everyones friend, instead of hopefully saving someone from Hell.
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#1,746
Sjernigan88 said:
Wow, now there is arguement among us christians as to the "right way" to do witness and save someone, just try to be christlike and lead by example, there is no wrong way if you follows the teachings of Christ.... No wonder Gahndi(SP) said ..."I like your Christ....just not your Christians", speak the truth, follow the word of God, and just let your light shine
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How can there be a right way?

Every one of us is wired differently and respond differently to every thing around us.
 
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#1,747
volmanic said:
You have got to be kidding me. I never said I was better than him. I never said my sins were lesser than his. I've tried the rational approach, I've tried to give it to him lightly. If he can say my beliefs are wrong and I serve a unloving God I take offense to that.
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Don't take it as him saying your beliefs are wrong, take it for what it is, he simply does not believe as you do. You say you've tried the rational approach, that is what we are suppose to do. All I'm saying is encourage him over time and stay away from the brimstone and damnation and little by little over time he may come around. Beat him over the head with it and you will lose him, or worse he might just "believe" because people say he should and in it for all the wrong reasons and lost anyway. We should be compassionate to no end not scathing.
 
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#1,748
KB5252 said:
Don't take it as him saying your beliefs are wrong, take it for what it is, he simply does not believe as you do. You say you've tried the rational approach, that is what we are suppose to do. All I'm saying is encourage him over time and stay away from the brimstone and damnation and little by little over time he may come around. Beat him over the head with it and you will lose him, or worse he might just "believe" because people say he should and in it for all the wrong reasons and lost anyway. We should be compassionate to no end not scathing.
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Forget that whole love one another command!

:eek:k:
 
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OrangeEmpire said:
How can there be a right way?

Every one of us is wired differently and respond differently to every thing around us.
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Thats kind of what I was saying, Christ ministered to people in a different way on a case by case basis. He did not witness to people in the same way each time or heal people the same way each time. He witnessed to the thief hanging next to him on the cross, he witnessed to the prostitute at the well, he rubbed mud on the eyes of a blind man, and laid on top of the body of the man son who was called dead and healed in each and every case, he was a strange dude, and I believe in everything he did so I guess I may be strange too
 
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volmanic said:
Haha how?
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Please take this in the spirit it is given...you are so leagalistic that you can not even see it.
You push too hard. Jesus said to feed a young believer bread, not meat. Some of the people that you are going back and forth with are not even young believers. Lets get them to that point first.
 
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