Biden wants 3 month mandate on Masks

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VolStrom said:
Unlike you and your ilk, I still have a work ethic and mow my own grass instead of letting the illegals mow it for some slave owner.
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It's a time vs value thing.

I can pay someone 40 dollars every week to my lawn which takes roughly one hour.

I make more than 40 dollars per hour therefore I am actually taking a pay cut to do this job which I find mind numbingly boring.

Hence, I outsource.
 
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Septic said:
I didn't say you were triggered, I asked what triggered your need to post that.
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My apologies then Septic. I thought you were insinuating I was “triggered” since that was the word you chose and it is thrown around on here almost as often as racist, and “whore” lately.
 
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Septic said:
If it was really nonsense, you wouldn't be struggling to define what makes America "exceptional." Hell, I even gave you a list of areas to plant your flag. This shouldn't be very tough for someone who could fill up the Atlantic with examples.
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As Tocqueville put it:

“Americans were born free. Free that is from feudalism, free from an entrenched aristocracy and an established church.”

“Americans have an exceptional revolution. One that did not try and give them happiness but to set them free to pursue happiness as each individual defined it.”

“Americans have an exceptional constitution, one that does not say what the government must do for them but one that says what the government may not do to them.”

Now this certainly doesn’t mean that America in its current form is perfect, but it’s a pretty damn good start.
 
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Septic said:
But now I'm wondering how that would be qualified and quantified. What kind of opportunity? Economic growth? Social or educational growth opportunity?
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The American dream right? Rags to riches, maybe? I know I’ve heard a lot of people from other countries talk about simply owning their own business and being able to support their family. To them that was a dream they felt couldn’t be accomplished in their country of origin. A lot of people from other countries believe that anyone who works hard in the US can make good money and they’re right. Do I think we are still the greatest country? I do. Do I think the gap has closed, largely due to technological advances? I do.
 
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hUTch2002 said:
There’s a lot of info out there going both ways. I trust that if there was no doubt of their effectiveness then nearly everyone would’ve been on the same page. There’s always dissenters but not this many and some are in healthcare. Then you look at the rules that make absolutely no sense, how both sides have made this a political issue, and the fact that no one seems to be able to tell how exactly it spreads 6 months into this and it leads to a lot of skepticism. As I’ve posted on here before, Duke’s football team went from 2 to 30 cases doing everything possible including masks. The masks are more for the feeling of safety imo, not to actually stop the spread. I know others disagree but that’s the way I see it.
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You can have one unusual circumstance that can send cases from two to thirty on one football team since the virus is so contagious. Not a knock in masks in this case. Heck without masks, the complete football team may have been infected, Who knows? I watched one NBC report/test/experiment which left very little doubt in my mind that masks can be effective. I’m not sure how many medical experts are claiming masks do not work, I would guess they are a very small minority.
 
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NEOCON said:
It's a time vs value thing.

I can pay someone 40 dollars every week to my lawn which takes roughly one hour.

I make more than 40 dollars per hour therefore I am actually taking a pay cut to do this job which I find mind numbingly boring.

Hence, I outsource.
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Good comeback.
 
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ABINGDON VOL FAN said:
You can have one unusual circumstance that can send cases from two to thirty on one football team since the virus is so contagious. Not a knock in masks in this case. Heck without masks, the complete football team may have been infected, Who knows? I watched one NBC report/test/experiment which left very little doubt in my mind that masks can be effective. I’m not sure how many medical experts are claiming masks do not work, I would guess they are a very small minority.
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We have medical professionals on here that have said they aren’t effective. Look at WHO, AMA, and CDC guidelines just a few months back. People don’t wear masks properly, touch their face even more and then touch other things, likely don’t change masks often enough or clean the cloth masks enough, and the virus particles can get through the masks. If they’re so effective then why would Knox County make a rule that says an 11 year old doesn’t have to wear one but a 12 year old does? Why would they not be required at religious gatherings? I can see social distancing being much more effective while masks could be providing a false sense of security for all the reasons I mentioned. In a lab I’m sure NBC or whoever can make a test that looks good but in the real world with people not even properly wearing them will that test be applicable? Again, no one on here is changing the minds of others. That’s just how I see it.
 
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hUTch2002 said:
We have medical professionals on here that have said they aren’t effective. Look at WHO, AMA, and CDC guidelines just a few months back. People don’t wear masks properly, touch their face even more and then touch other things, likely don’t change masks often enough or clean the cloth masks enough, and the virus particles can get through the masks. If they’re so effective then why would Knox County make a rule that says an 11 year old doesn’t have to wear one but a 12 year old does? Why would they not be required at religious gatherings? I can see social distancing being much more effective while masks could be providing a false sense of security for all the reasons I mentioned. In a lab I’m sure NBC or whoever can make a test that looks good but in the real world with people not even properly wearing them will that test be applicable? Again, no one on here is changing the minds of others. That’s just how I see it.
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They are effective but not fullproof per the NBC lab test I watched and then later a study published by the University of Iowa. Individual Medical professionals have can be biased also or just not as educated on the topic as other medical professionals. If a person has COVID and coughs or sneezes in close proximity to you wearing a mask then it can stop you from being infected. The reverse is also true. It does not take a rocket scientist to consider this plausible.


As far as the decisions being made in your area ? IDHAF clue. The local politicians seem to be even more clueless than the politicians on the national stage.
 
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ABINGDON VOL FAN said:
Well here you go. The invention of the airplane, the Constitution, ( brilliant to this day), automobile, job corps, etc, internet. Lol, Satisfied ? I read of a few of your posts on different topics today and we are 99.9% in agreement on most. Not sure why you became a child in discussing US exceptionalism.
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I've simply asked a question.

Whether you realize it or not, you probably, hopefully (at some point) had a moment of clarity where your bias crossed paths with rational thought.

During that instant of lucidity my hope is that you realized that though America shares a number of excellent qualities with its peers, very little, in and of itself makes the U.S. "exceptional". It's bias that gets folks undies twisted when there sense of patriotism is challenged.
 
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hUTch2002 said:
The American dream right? Rags to riches, maybe? I know I’ve heard a lot of people from other countries talk about simply owning their own business and being able to support their family. To them that was a dream they felt couldn’t be accomplished in their country of origin. A lot of people from other countries believe that anyone who works hard in the US can make good money and they’re right. Do I think we are still the greatest country? I do. Do I think the gap has closed, largely due to technological advances? I do.
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Ehh, those are anecdotal cliches'.

I'm looking for a loosely quantifiable spot where we can plant a flag of superiority. The 'American' dream and "rags to riches" are cliches'. I think there's been a widening chasm between classes and upward mobility.
 
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Septic said:
I've simply asked a question.

Whether you realize it or not, you probably, hopefully (at some point) had a moment of clarity where your bias crossed paths with rational thought.

During that instant of lucidity my hope is that you realized that though America shares a number of excellent qualities with its peers, very little, in and of itself makes the U.S. "exceptional". It's bias that gets folks undies twisted when there sense of patriotism is challenged.
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We are an exceptional country with our accomplishments since 1776. America’s peers in most cases have copied or been heavily influenced by our exceptionalism. Doesn’t have anything with any bias on my part, it’s based on the historical record or facts.
 
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Septic said:
But now I'm wondering how that would be qualified and quantified. What kind of opportunity? Economic growth? Social or educational growth opportunity?
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Its all of the above, its freedom of choice. Our kids can choose or choose not to go to school. We get to choose where we work. Who we are married to. Where we live. Freedom of religion. We dont have arranged marriages like some countries, we dont have limits on number of children in a household.
 
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mr.checkerboards said:
Its all of the above, its freedom of choice. Our kids can choose or choose not to go to school. We get to choose where we work. Who we are married to. Where we live. Freedom of religion. We dont have arranged marriages like some countries, we dont have limits on number of children in a household.
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I've already pointed out where not only are we not exceptional in terms of choice, we're not even in the top 15 amongst our peers with 'freedom'.
 
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ABINGDON VOL FAN said:
We are an exceptional country with our accomplishments since 1776. America’s peers in most cases have copied or been heavily influenced by our exceptionalism. Doesn’t have anything with any bias on my part, it’s based on the historical record or facts.
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This is nonsensical circular reasoning.

In what way have we demonstrated 'exceptionalism' that our 1st world peers have emulated?
 
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Septic said:
This is nonsensical circular reasoning.

In what way have we demonstrated 'exceptionalism' that our 1st world peers have emulated?
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Our ability to overthrow dictators and destabilize regions?

Don’t know your thoughts on it but the 2A is a obvious one.

Oops misread your post
 
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I'll ask this again (and keep asking) since no one else. Is anyone is even concerned about the (actual) criminals is gonna use this to their advantage especially in the cool weather months? That's when they can cover from head to toes and the masks are the cherry on top.
 
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oz615 said:
I'll ask this again (and keep asking) since no one else. Is anyone is even concerned about the (actual) criminals is gonna use this to their advantage especially in the cool weather months? That's when they can cover from head to toes and the masks are the cherry on top.
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Not really. That’s a boogey man argument. People who will break law will
Break the law. Will we have a problem catching them? Maybe. But it won’t in any way increase crime rates.

Now putting millions out of work and on the street will increase crime. Thanks lock downs!
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Sounds like more of this level of dumbassery 😂

https://www.kansascity.com/news/nation-world/national/article244861827.html

Employees need masks even for at-home Zoom calls, Wisconsin agency says. Here’s why
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