Big10 Rumor: adding 4 including Clemson and FSU

[turbovol]

This is exactly correct about the Grant of Rights.

Unless the ACC completely dissolves, any school that leaves forfeits their TV revenue to the ACC, regardless of what conference they're in, until 2036. ====2036==== That's still 13 years and that's a boatload of money to give up to jump conferences.

The only other option is to take the ACC to court about the contract and likely lose. I assume it's similar to TX and OU, who considered fighting the contract but in the end will pay to get out of the B12.

Any school leaving is not happening unless the ACC chooses to entirely dissolve. They won't.

Wow: That is interesting about the ACC contract and departing teams forfeiting their TV revenue no matter what conference they are in. A bigger cut of TV rights money is THE reason for all this idiotic realignment. No school is going to switch conferences if it means losing their TV revenue. That would seem to make no sense.

I can certainly see Oregon and Washington or Washington State leaving the PAC and joining the BIG. They are now the big dogs in a weak, imploding PAC that is going to see less TV money going forward, not more. I could see Oregon and Washinton switching conferences soon. Streaming and streaming rights are increasingly playing into these broadcast deals, but I don't think streaming rights money comes close to network TV money, but it will become an increasingly bigger deal going forward.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Wow: That is interesting about the ACC contract and departing teams forfeiting their TV revenue no matter what conference they are in. A bigger cut of TV rights money is THE reason for all this idiotic realignment. No school is going to switch conferences if it means losing their TV revenue. That would seem to make no sense.

I can certainly see Oregon and Washington or Washington State leaving the PAC and joining the BIG. They are now the big dogs in a weak, imploding PAC that is going to see less TV money going forward, not more. I could see Oregon and Washinton switching conferences soon. Streaming and streaming rights are increasingly playing into these broadcast deals, but I don't think streaming rights money comes close to network TV money, but it will become an increasingly bigger deal going forward.

That's why no one has left the ACC. Their Grant of Rights is a vise on the teams. Genius work by the head of the conference if they saw realignment coming and pushed tough terms to leave.

I'm betting we see stability for about 3-4 years with the new TV contracts coming in and the last round of expansion by the SEC and B1G.

Do the SEC or B1G NEED more teams? No. Why would they right now?

 

[LWSVOL]

FSU has clearly avoided joining the SEC. Not sure about Clemson, but I suspect they both want no part of competing in this league. Wusses.

first issue for them is, huge penalty paid to ACC because of TV contract that is in place into the 30s (if I remember correctly). Makes the payoff Tex and OK were looking at like pennies. Not sure Big 10 or SEC would pony up funds to help them move.

Second issue is will South Carolina and Florida allow them in? They have to be convinced and hopefully not convince others to vote to keep them out. Would be contentious at the least.

 

[RDU VOL#14]

I'd offer UNC and Miami/FSU a seat at the table now.

I could see FSU, but Miami is not an SEC school. I don’t think they would fit it in at all from a culture standpoint.

 

[Special Ed]

Wrong forum?

 

[Jackcrevol]

 

[RDU VOL#14]

Just passing this along. I’ve heard some rumblings of them looking for a loophole the last few days.

 

[HuntlandVolinColo]

If this happens (which I don't believe the ACC part), then I could see ND going to SEC along with Miami.

If SEC wants to go to 20 and match the B1G, then two from Stanford, Arizona, Utah, KState, NC, NC State, VT Pitt and Duke come into play.

The 6-PAC and Mountain West undesirables would then merge into be the Isle of misfit teams!

FSU and Clemson have until 15 August to make their intentions known for leaving ACC. PAC-Whatever still doesn't have a TV deal which is accelerating their demise.

 

[Namorto1]

I'd offer UNC and Miami/FSU a seat at the table now.

The SEC really has strength to let the next round play out, even if the Big 10 made a splash with FSU and Clemson. How the Big 10 is constructing their conference seems odd to me.

More likely once the Big 12 takes 1 more (ie: Arizona) away from the PAC-12, the Big 10 is going to have to decide if they want Oregon and Washington or not. If they don’t take them soon both Oregon and Washington will not want to wait and may be drawn into the Big 12 quickly. I think the Big 12 will stop at 16 teams which will equal the numbers in Big 10 and SEC. It would remain steady for awhile.

If the Big 10 commits to Oregon and Washington that will tie up their westward expansion and they will wait on the the big prize in Notre Dame, who they would try and couple with Stanford. The Big 12 would bring in Arizona State and Utah in this scenario to complement Arizona. The virtual end of the PAC-12 is going to freak the ACC out and put them 4th behind the Big 12. The ACC grant of rights is a problem and expensive but if the top 6 teams all want out what is there to do.

Notre Dame is the final nail and their TV deal ends in 2025. I don’t think they can fly solo any longer although they will try and get a deal for themselves. Any league which is willing to grant them special exemptions (like their own TV deal) would be making a big mistake. I think both the SEC and Big 10 are smart enough not to fall in that trap. Do they go with natural historic rivals in Big 10 or watch where all the demographics are flocking to in the southeast and Texas and look at the better opportunities to get into the playoffs with the SEC who will continue to dominate football. Now they could elect to stay formally in a weak ACC but that isn’t likely a smart move.

The SEC is in a position of strength regardless because they keep winning championships and they keep winning the # of eyeballs watching them on TV. We could take teams from the ACC and Big 12 when it makes sense for the league. Until then there is no rush. At some point we will have teams in Virginia and North Carolina. Not sure which ones yet but it will happen. See no reason to go further westward.

 

[Namorto1]

If this happens (which I don't believe the ACC part), then I could see ND going to SEC along with Miami.

If SEC wants to go to 20 and match the B1G, then two from Stanford, Arizona, Utah, KState, NC, NC State, VT Pitt and Duke come into play.

The 6-PAC and Mountain West undesirables would then merge into be the Isle of misfit teams!

FSU and Clemson have until 15 August to make their intentions known for leaving ACC. PAC-Whatever still doesn't have a TV deal which is accelerating their demise.

I hope FSU and Clemson decide to bolt to the Big 10. Both teams have benefited over the years from a weak conference and their presence in the Big 10 primarily helps their stronger opponents (ie: Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, USC, UCLA and perhaps Oregon) poach players out of their backyard. Neither will be successful in a stronger conference and I cherish the thought of their fans and players going on long trips to Wisconsin, Nebraska, Minnesota, Iowa and Rutgers routinely in the fall.

Plus it solves a problem for the SEC and we don’t have to convince either Florida or South Carolina to “take one” for the conference. Our focus should be on North Carolina, Virginia and yes, potentially Miami, who isn’t quite the same rival to Florida. All 3 could help attract Notre Dame which is the most important program left on the board. Notre Dame certainly fits with the Big 10 better but they have much more to gain in the SEC in my opinion. Plus it would give me yet another important reason to dislike them. Wishing and watching some teams lose is almost as interesting and entertaining as watching your favorite teams win.

 

[Volfan1000]

First I have seen this rumor. Shocked at the news about the ACC schools.

https://athlonsports.com/college-fo...umors-clemson-florida-state-oregon-washington

ACC has always been known as a college basketball conference as well as college baseball.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Just passing this along. I’ve heard some rumblings of them looking for a loophole the last few days.

Still, putting themselves $30M/yr behind the other teams in their conference (SEC or B1G) for 10 years seems like a big stretch.

I just can't see it being a workable solution. Plus, I'm extremely doubtful the ACC would take a 10 year deal given the instability of the NCAA. Forcing the money to be paid upfront is a safer bet for the remaining conference teams to actually get paid.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

If this happens (which I don't believe the ACC part), then I could see ND going to SEC along with Miami.

If SEC wants to go to 20 and match the B1G, then two from Stanford, Arizona, Utah, KState, NC, NC State, VT Pitt and Duke come into play.

The 6-PAC and Mountain West undesirables would then merge into be the Isle of misfit teams!

FSU and Clemson have until 15 August to make their intentions known for leaving ACC. PAC-Whatever still doesn't have a TV deal which is accelerating their demise.

ND is a cultural and geographic fit for the B1G, not the SEC. Can you imagine going to South Bend, essentially Chicago, in November to watch a game outside? That doesn't sound like an SEC venue nor does it sound pleasant.

I'd see Pitt likely going to the B1G also as they've had a historical rivalry with Penn State but I'm extremely skeptical the ACC is going to work a deal to let teams jump easily. Why should they?

 

[vegasvolfan]

First I have seen this rumor. Shocked at the news about the ACC schools.

https://athlonsports.com/college-fo...umors-clemson-florida-state-oregon-washington

Strange the Big 10 will be coast to coast. Talk about some serious travel.

 

[vegasvolfan]

ND is a cultural and geographic fit for the B1G, not the SEC. Can you imagine going to South Bend, essentially Chicago, in November to watch a game outside? That doesn't sound like an SEC venue nor does it sound pleasant.

I'd see Pitt likely going to the B1G also as they've had a historical rivalry with Penn State but I'm extremely skeptical the ACC is going to work a deal to let teams jump easily. Why should they?

Both Clemson and FSU should join the SEC before the Big 10, but I doubt they will.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Both Clemson and FSU should join the SEC before the Big 10, but I doubt they will.

It occurs that if the B1G and SEC and B12 <cough>colluded<cough> all had interest from several ACC teams, the conference might fail to have enough members to enforce the Grant of Rights.

I believe the B12 is already getting UCF, just an anaconda length or two from Miami. They might look at Louisville, as Cinci is already coming, I think.

If the B1G can grab 3 or 4 and the SEC can grab 4, things start to look like the ACC folds.

Not that I'd suggest that conferences would conspire, you know, just if interest developed among several teams at once.

 

[Brave Volunteer]

Out curiosity, if this really does happen, does the SEC respond in kind and if so, who gets poached? I'm thinking North Carolina, NC State, Oklahoma State, and maybe Miami?

 

[Vol-e-ball]

Strange the Big 10 will be coast to coast. Talk about some serious travel.

And that travel is in ALL sports. That is a significant expense for already unprofitable women's sports.

 

[Visiting Dawg]

I'd say the chances of Clem and FSU joining the Big is about the same as Tenn joining the Pac 12. The two big reasons are the ACC grant of rights and the Big wanting teams that are part of the American Association of Universities. Clem and FSU aren't exactly considered the upper crust in the academic world and neither place is a fit at all with the Big. Now, I could see Miami joining the Big but FSU and Clem are basically SEC schools playing in a minor league football conference.

 

[unfrozencvmanvol]

This is nonsense. The ACC's grant of rights is going to keep it together for at least 5-10 more years. No one is going to pay a 13 year TV deal buyout.

 

[dobre_shunka]

Actually, FSU has lobbied behind the scenes for years to join the SEC. Their TV market brings nothing to the table that the SEC doesn't already have. Adding UNC (Charolette metro) and VT (big in the DC market) are worth more to the conference and don't upset the balance...

Charlotte is not a UNC market, it's at best the 4th or 5th most popular school in the area

 

[unfrozencvmanvol]

All this realignment talk does probably make it a bit more likely Congress acts on NIL because it creates a local problem for numerous Senators and Congressmen as schools in their States are worried about being left behind.

 

[Glocker_Alum_2005]

I heard on Sports talk radio that if 8teams defect, the GoR is null and void. I count 8 rumored... Florida State, Virginia, NC State, North Carolina, Clemson, Miami, Virginia Tech and Louisville .

 

[The Original Fade]

Let’s just do away with conferences altogether. There is no conference pride anymore and no one really cares about being conference champs. Let every team schedule whoever they want for a 10 game regular season then let a committee select 16 teams for a playoff based on record and strength of whoever was on your schedule.

 

[BruisedOrange]

I could see FSU, but Miami is not an SEC school. I don’t think they would fit it in at all from a culture standpoint.

Sadly, this...

is the current standpoint of culture.

Not yet mentioned is that colleges as institutions are facing a significant demographic and market crunch. To the degree that sports revenues contribute to the bottom line (including attracting students, and creating the popular support needed to keep state legislators generous with state funding).

A 4-year degree costs more than ever, far outpacing inflation over the past 40 years, and few degrees will get you a job that pays enough to payoff your education loan while starting an actual life.

On top of that, the perceived value of a college education is diminishing for those not pursuing a profession requiring a Masters or Doctorate. Also, the massive influx of latin American peoples is not providing a pool of potential students. They scoff at the idea of leaving good paying jobs to pay to go to college in order to qualify for a lesser paying job. They know they can start and sustain a family doing skilled manual labor.