Breakdown Of Arrest / Citations

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ReelfootVol said:
All of this is so blown out of proportion !!!! Guess if they were having a gay party we would consider making statues of them and place them at the entrance of Neyland Stadium !!!!!!
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What would the statues be portraying? :unsure:
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Weezer said:
I think most people have known cops in their lives. Let's face it, some are actually cool guys, just looking to keep the peace. And some are douchers on a severe ego trip just looking for an excuse to use their "authority". I wasn't there, so I can't speak as to the cops who responded to this call, but many years ago, I had cop friends tell me there were cops who liked to bust the players' balls. Do I think that has changed over the years? No, I don't. From what I've read and heard, I'd lean toward some of these cops being douchers that wanted to force the situation, and the other cops followed along because you have to project a solid front. Simply put, I think arrests could have pretty much been avoided and citations limited to the most severe cases. But that's JMO. As I said, I wasn't there to have a firsthand account. I'm going strictly off of hearsay.
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I was not anywhere near the incident either, but from every credible report those arrested escalated the incident. That was a very, very stupid thing to do. If you ask for trouble, you are going to find it and they did. If reports are true and the cops issued a legal request, which is within the scope of their duties, then those arrested failed to comply. The officers did the job we citizens pay them to do. The boys have to learn that orange jersey does not give them a free pass.
 
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resisting arrest is stupid and the way to turn a relatively minor situation into a major problem. be smarter, guys.
 
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gunner said:
Read the story, they were warned to turn off the loud music which they did initially, but turned it back up soon afterwards. Most Police officers don't like to be ignored and disrespected. If the players had followed the orders of the police this incident never happens. I am not upset about the underage drinking, and I'm glad the police did not find evidence of marijuana use/possession. But, disrespecting the authority of the police is upsetting. I am hopeful that CBJ will use this as a teaching point and the entire team will learn from their transgressions.
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Do you know for certain that the music was turned back up out of disrespect for the authorities? What, for example, if someone from another room, not even knowing the police had been there, came in: "Hey, who turned the music down," and turned the music back up? I'm sure we've all witnessed scenarios like that. Please do not pass judgment by imputing motives to these young men.
 
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TNinOR said:
Do you know for certain that the music was turned back up out of disrespect for the authorities? What, for example, if someone from another room, not even knowing the police had been there, came in: "Hey, who turned the music down," and turned the music back up? I'm sure we've all witnessed scenarios like that. Please do not pass judgment by imputing motives to these young men.
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The cops didn't come back because of the music, they came back because of a fight... The music issue was just the cops dialogue of what preceded the actual arrests.

There were no citations issued for noise complaints.
 
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Orangedogsrule said:
We, as a nation, went through all of this in thhe late '60s and '70s. Old enough to serve, old enough to drink; so WE DID LOWER THE DRINKING AGE TO 18. (In Tennessee, after I was already 21.)

The result was highway carnage, and the 21 limit was reinstated, after Congress ruled states would lose highway dollars for not raising them back up.

It's a shame the US ever had drinking laws any different than Europe, where even children are served watered down wine by their parents at the dinner table, learn their own individual consumption limits and responsible drinking at home before they ever get behind a wheel.

Now laws vary by state. But in Tennessee it is illegal even for parents to serve alcohol to their under 21 children, even in their own home, to acclimate them to alcohol.

Result is a lot of craziness happens. Had we reasonable laws on the books for decades, this would have been a non-issue, except for the disturbing the peace. And that is real and understandable. As I said before, I hosted a few parties that got out of hand and was the one who had to answer the door when the cops knocked. My solution was to tell them I'd unplug the stereo and announce the parties over, not just turn it down or off, and I'd put on a pot of coffee and not let anyone leave til sober. Never had a problem, except been there, done that, and had to wear a tee shirt covered in her puke while I stood a buddys date in the shower to get her puke off both of us.

And why was that? Because in the US, especially states with laws like Tennessee's, parents can't teach their children how to drink, and most kids don't really start 'til they're out the house, they are still finding their limits in the worst possible settings.

I bet Yacob is a-frickin-mazed!
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I bet you are rite about Yacob (sp?). The very idea that a legal adult can't drink has always baffled me. Sadly pot will probably be legal before it changes though.
 
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Orangedogsrule said:
It's a shame the US ever had drinking laws any different than Europe, where even children are served watered down wine by their parents at the dinner table, learn their own individual consumption limits and responsible drinking at home before they ever get behind a wheel.

Now laws vary by state. But in Tennessee it is illegal even for parents to serve alcohol to their under 21 children, even in their own home, to acclimate them to alcohol. . . .

And why was that? Because in the US, especially states with laws like Tennessee's, parents can't teach their children how to drink, and most kids don't really start 'til they're out the house, they are still finding their limits in the worst possible settings.

I bet Yacob is a-frickin-mazed!
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Precisely! And all of that, once again, can be traced back to the effects of Prohibition---one of the worst examples of federal government tyranny in history, and we are still experiencing the consequences today. As you said, in Europe, I can tell you from experience, alcohol is no big deal (except in Russia)---not the "forbidden" (and therefore desirable) fruit it is here in the Bible belt---because young people are generally taught to consume alcohol---which IS NOT evil in and of itself, as Prohibition implied---responsibly and in moderation.
 
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Evening news just showed police cams of two coaches WITH THEM during the bust up of the party. Guess that lays to rest the jack-boot theory of some posters on here.
 
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Orangedogsrule said:
Evening news just showed police cams of two coaches WITH THEM during the bust up of the party. Guess that lays to rest the jack-boot theory of some posters on here.
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Just speculating, but I doubt very seriously if coaches were "with" the Sheriff's deputies "during the bust". More than likely, someone at the party saw what was going down and texted or called the coaches who then had time to drive over as the situation was developing. They would have done so out of concern. These types of situations aren't over in a matter of minutes. There would have been a lot of preliminary questioning and investigation going on before anybody left the scene.
 
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I was actually in Knoxville this weekend and this party was our next hop. Luckily I was preoccupied with a cute blonde at another party and didn't make the drive over. One of the group did go over right when the cops showed the first time and bailed as soon as the commotion started...wasn't there for the arrests. There were cops at the first party I was at when I got there, but they were very reasonable and just asked some people to stay inside with alcohol and never said anything about the music, which was loud. They mentioned they had a much bigger party to deal with and left...

On a lighter note, I got to hang with Cordarelle at cookout on the strip Friday night. No idea why he was there but no one seemed to recognize him. He was very cool though and certainly gracious that I recognized him. Sorry I'm just name dropping at this point.

And as for the underage consumption...saw at least 5 different early enrollees (some very important recruits) tanking liquor pitchers in Rumorz earlier in the night. This is a weekend-nightly occurrence. KPD that was in the bar had to be aware of it and were cool. The truth of the matter is that KPD looks the other way on plenty of things. The players that got arrested walked over that line and got what they deserved.
 
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KCVolLaw said:
I was actually in Knoxville this weekend and this party was our next hop. Luckily I was preoccupied with a cute blonde at another party and didn't make the drive over. One of the group did go over right when the cops showed the first time and bailed as soon as the commotion started...wasn't there for the arrests. There were cops at the first party I was at when I got there, but they were very reasonable and just asked some people to stay inside with alcohol and never said anything about the music, which was loud. They mentioned they had a much bigger party to deal with and left...

On a lighter note, I got to hang with Cordarelle at cookout on the strip Friday night. No idea why he was there but no one seemed to recognize him. He was very cool though and certainly gracious that I recognized him. Sorry I'm just name dropping at this point.

And as for the underage consumption...saw at least 5 different early enrollees (some very important recruits) tanking liquor pitchers in Rumorz earlier in the night. This is a weekend-nightly occurrence. KPD that was in the bar had to be aware of it and were cool. The truth of the matter is that KPD looks the other way on plenty of things. The players that got arrested walked over that line and got what they deserved.
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Haha, classic.
 
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butchna said:
Bet that linebacker's family wishes he had gone to Auburn...so he could sell pot like Bessent..and make something out of himself.
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NO! He doesn't know anything about that because his god son is a leader. Or the fact that there are two AU football players doing a long piece for armed burglary....and it damn sure wasn't with a pellet gun.
 
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TNinOR said:
Do you know for certain that the music was turned back up out of disrespect for the authorities? What, for example, if someone from another room, not even knowing the police had been there, came in: "Hey, who turned the music down," and turned the music back up? I'm sure we've all witnessed scenarios like that. Please do not pass judgment by imputing motives to these young men.
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Not passing judgment on these players, but obviously when the police charge someone with resisting arrest it is because they weren't following the lawful orders of the police. Hence, the disrespect.

I think Coach Butch Jones summed it up best in his radio interview when he said "This isn't who we are" which tells me he is going to have a short lease for these kinds of incidents in his program.
 
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gunner said:
Not passing judgment on these players, but obviously when the police charge someone with resisting arrest it is because they weren't following the lawful orders of the police. Hence, the disrespect.

I think Coach Butch Jones summed it up best in his radio interview when he said "This isn't who we are" which tells me he is going to have a short lease for these kinds of incidents in his program.
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Well..that is coach speak. I'm not saying CBJ is going to let them get away with murder, but "this isn't our standard" or "this isn't Tennessee football" is nothing I haven't heard come out of Fulmers mouth a dozen times.
 
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gunner said:
... I think Coach Butch Jones summed it up best in his radio interview when he said "This isn't who we are" which tells me he is going to have a short lease for these kinds of incidents in his program.
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Guess " short lease " gonna be for them players doghouse. I'll build him one free just to watch an he won't have to take out no leases.
 
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Orangedogsrule said:
Evening news just showed police cams of two coaches WITH THEM during the bust up of the party. Guess that lays to rest the jack-boot theory of some posters on here.
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You spin this in almost anyway you want. Examples--

Spin 1: It shows the cops being aware it was football players and are Vols fans, brought the coaches in hope quickly and quietly handling the matter. But didn't work due to player behavior.

Spin 2: The reason jackboot posts occur is because of historic and on-going reputation of police targeting and brutality behavior that's even documented on cameras.

The bottomline is the majority of us weren't there, saw nothing, and despite "released" information, still don't actually know what happened. That includes you, no disrespect intended, but even the jackboot claim could turn out to be true (I doubt it) in later releases or someone hid and toke video. Reputations, good or bad are earned. sadly, those reputations result in unbiasd claims. We see it all the time right here on VN in regard to our own and other teams' players, fans, game officers, and whatnot.
 
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RibFeast said:
They're kids in college. Yes they should have shut up and kept their stuff together off the noise complaint, but they are just excited to be here, can't blame them for that. Drinking age should be 18 like everywhere else in the world.
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They are not kids. These men are at or over the age of 18. The can vote, join the US Marine Corps and die for their country if the wanted to, hold down full time 40 hour jobs if they wanted to, or raise a family if they wanted to start one. They stopped being kids the day they turned 18.

The only reason this really makes the news is because these are football team members. Had this been a bunch of anonymous nobody college students or something with no connection to a sports program, this would have been a non issue. In fact I'd be willing to bet money that some of you would have completely different opinions if they where not football players.

None of these men deserve long jail time, or to be kicked off the team or whatever, but they also need to realize that they are now grown men, mommy and daddy aren't around to make excuses for them, and that sometimes life ain't fair and that sometimes actions have negative consequences.
 
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ChattaVoll said:
They are not kids. These men are at or over the age of 18. The can vote, join the US Marine Corps and die for their country if the wanted to, hold down full time 40 hour jobs if they wanted to, or raise a family if they wanted to start one. They stopped being kids the day they turned 18.

The only reason this really makes the news is because these are football team members. Had this been a bunch of anonymous nobody college students or something with no connection to a sports program, this would have been a non issue. In fact I'd be willing to bet money that some of you would have completely different opinions if they where not football players.

None of these men deserve long jail time, or to be kicked off the team or whatever, but they also need to realize that they are now grown men, mommy and daddy aren't around to make excuses for them, and that sometimes life ain't fair and that sometimes actions have negative consequences.
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Oh gawd, chil out there buddy.

They were drinking at a college party, I even bet there were girls there. Yea, the grabbing the cops shoulder shouldnt have happened, but come on.

And i disagree with the whole adults thing Yes, technically, they are considered adults by law, but these are big kids having a good time. you're under 25, still in school, you're a kid. dont make them grow up too fast.

I was in the service, and at 18,19,20, some of those patriots still look and act like kids. BC they are...
 
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WoodsmanVol said:
You spin this in almost anyway you want. Examples--

Spin 1: It shows the cops being aware it was football players and are Vols fans, brought the coaches in hope quickly and quietly handling the matter. But didn't work due to player behavior.

Spin 2: The reason jackboot posts occur is because of historic and on-going reputation of police targeting and brutality behavior that's even documented on cameras.

The bottomline is the majority of us weren't there, saw nothing, and despite "released" information, still don't actually know what happened. That includes you, no disrespect intended, but even the jackboot claim could turn out to be true (I doubt it) in later releases or someone hid and toke video. Reputations, good or bad are earned. sadly, those reputations result in unbiasd claims. We see it all the time right here on VN in regard to our own and other teams' players, fans, game officers, and whatnot.
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Fair enough ... I guess what I wrote makes it sound as if the KCSO brought the coaches with them. UT release said no coaches were there. Police cam audio is very clear when an officer tells one basically "a couple of coaches are here, and mad" .. so it was either coaches were there but UT Admin not notified yet, UT Admin stonewalling until lawyers get their say about coaches going down, it was Asst. Coaches or somebody on down the line, or their was more 'criminal impersonation' going on than realized.

But whatever happened, as long as there were none of those young men and women hurt, none of the 'jack-boot' authoritarianism so many claim this whole event is just a tempest in a teapot. Some players are gonna, if not already have, get reamed and do whatever bUTch says and the VOLS will field a team.

I'm gonna go gas up before the snow hits, an go back too x's & o's & jimmies & joes. It was just a party that got out of hand.
 
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