Breakdown of Incompletions vs Austin Peay

#52
#52
If the ball hits your hands you have to catch it.... Is every is going to be perfect.. Nope lots of factors... once a a series pass happens.. Joe goes down hill for a few passes... Loses trust.... These players have worked long enough to understand how hard he throws... They should have caught them majority of those...
 
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lifeisdeep said:
You're speaking in terms of fantasy rather than reality. If you take the time to watch NFL games rather than making up this magical imaginary NFL that doesn't exist, you'll see that even passes that are perfectly placed get dropped in the NFL, every single week. Here's a better example: the receiver who won the award as the top receiver in college football a year ago had a pass thrown to him last night on SNF - it was behind him, not yards but a foot or two; he was able to "get his hands on it," but because his forward momentum (he runs pretty fast if you're not aware) was taking him speedily away from the ball, all of him including his hands, he didn't make the catch. I suppose now you'll tell me the Giants are going to cut him because he is not playing up to the NFL level? No - his QB made a bad pass, and because he is human and his body is subject to the laws of physics, he was unable to make the catch.
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Again, I never said WRs should catch every single pass thrown their way.

Just to clear it up, what I mean is that they should not be making excuses for why they dropped so many catchable passes. UT's WR corps is supposed to be one of the best in the nation this season, but today we are discussing who is more to blame for the total collapse of the passing game against AP.

IMO, both the QB and the WRs have some of the blame. Still, my point was that if you want to be considered a top WR talent, you need to make those catches.
 
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whodeycin85 said:
If the ball hits your hands you have to catch it.... Is every is going to be perfect.. Nope lots of factors... once a a series pass happens.. Joe goes down hill for a few passes... Loses trust.... These players have worked long enough to understand how hard he throws... They should have caught them majority of those...
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I just can't agree with that
 
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37620VOL said:
Third Quarter
11:00 Drop by Small, led nicely, lots of open field, 90% catchable
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7:00 Pass under duress, had to get it out before White turned, White almost makes incredible play, 10% catchable
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6:40 Pass to White, obvious PI not called
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:55 Pass (under duress) bounced to Keyton, 0% catchable
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Fourth Quarter
No incompletions

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Milton was 21/23 with 12 incompletions.
6 of the incompletions were more than 80% catchable and another was an obvious PI.
His three worst throws were:
  • The zinger through the end zone to McCoy
  • Underthrown fade route to McCoy in the endzone
  • Underthrown fade route to White in the endzone
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Shows you are a true Vol fan, thanks for all the work!!
 
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37620VOL said:
Two hands, standing up, no fingertips, should be caught

Respectfully disagree
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If Bru had two sets of arms, one front, one back, then yes, that's a catchable throw. That was a bad pass, plain and simple. Milton threw several bad passes. If you expect the receiver to catch the pass then throw it where he has the best chance of a reception, anything else is a bad pass.
 
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Good breakdown, thanks!

I would argue that the first McCoy drop was harder to catch, it was a dart well behind and he was moving the opposite direction. Also, the Castles drop was fired out of a cannon, and until now I didn't realize how close they were to each other. Catching a bullet from ten yards away is hard. Joe just needs to put a little touch on the ball. He has an incredible arm, but still has to throw a catchable ball - and I'm not in the "bench Joe" contingency.
 
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Pump Guy said:
From what video was available during fall practice, it looked like Milton had developed "touch" to his passing game. There are a lot of people who know tons more about the quarterback position than I do, but I define "touch" as the ability to put a ball, where it needs to be and also gives the receiver the ability to adjust to put himself in the best position to catch the ball.

At this point of the season, which is VERY early, Milton is back to throwing rockets at a spot. That is very good for wide receiver screens, it is not good for slant passes or deep throws.
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Yup, to me touch is throwing a catchable ball. Almost to the point where the receiver has no choice but to catch it. 100 mph rockets have their place, but not on deep throws and slants like you said.
 
#65
#65
You didn’t account for a couple of things. First is velocity. He’s throwing the ball at a velocity that makes catches difficult.

Second the completion percentage is decieving. Roll the tape. Over 80% of his completions are screens. Gotta diagnose the completions too.

He was 1/6 to start the Austin Peay game and then they went to virtually all screens. That’s why his yards per attempt is 3 yards lower than Hookers.

How could that be considering his completion percentage is higher? They are all screens.
 
#66
#66
Idk man. I think your catchable numbers are off by up to 15%. I made that number up out of my head just like you.

It's not hard to see he was inaccurate with no touch. He throws behind and too hard. It's year 6 guys, he lost QB1 twice already.
 
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I saw Jalen Hyatt drop a perfect Daniel Jones throw yesterday. A turnaround route, I think, and the ball was right there.

So Hyatt is trash, right? Of course not.

We believe in Hyatt because we saw success last year. We don't believe in Milton because we didn't see success last year.

It's up to the individual on Milton. You're either going to give him a chance, like I will Hyatt (though I think he didn't get a second look in the Giants game, at least that I saw) or you won't.

Continually pumping up or beating up on Milton isn't the answer. He's put in the game by a damn good former QB who is also a damn good football coach. A bunch of has beens and never weres like us aren't going to analyze this and figure it out.

Josh Heupel has seen many, many, many more throws from Joe Milton than us. He's also made a few tough throws himself. He can judge what's catchable and not catchable better than any of us and he's got a career riding on this.

If Heupel is going to stick with Milton and that's a mistake, UT has much bigger problems than Joe Milton. He handled things last year. He'll handle them this year.
 
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37620VOL said:
Third Quarter
11:00 Drop by Small, led nicely, lots of open field, 90% catchable
View attachment 578237

7:00 Pass under duress, had to get it out before White turned, White almost makes incredible play, 10% catchable
View attachment 578238
6:40 Pass to White, obvious PI not called
View attachment 578239
:55 Pass (under duress) bounced to Keyton, 0% catchable
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Fourth Quarter
No incompletions

RECAP
Milton was 21/23 with 12 incompletions.
6 of the incompletions were more than 80% catchable and another was an obvious PI.
His three worst throws were:
  • The zinger through the end zone to McCoy
  • Underthrown fade route to McCoy in the endzone
  • Underthrown fade route to White in the endzone
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Excellent analysis but on the short passes, they’re bang bang and the WR doesn’t have time to adjust like a deeper pass. But all in all, the WRs have to do better at hauling them in; Milton needs to improve his touch.
 
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Two things.

1) A lot of those should have been caught. True.

2) Those receivers will not have that much space against quality SEC defenses, so passes must be more accurate.

3) Tennessee will have no YAC if he's continuously throwing behind guys.

Fingers crossed he settles down.
 
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Bloodrunsorange27 said:
That was a nice unbiased take on the catchability of passes from Milton (blue font)

The first passes you mentioned for McCoy and McCastle as catchable were off. Both of those were terrible throws way behind wide open receivers that would have been big plays if the pass was accurate.
I didn't bother looking at the rest with that obvious agenda.
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Same.
 
#73
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OP put some work into HIS analysis

He was kind enough to share his thoughts with a bunch of combative knuckleheads

Viewing his info through my orange-tinted glasses, I like his work and if you don't like it
 
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