Breakdown of Incompletions vs Austin Peay

[Behr]

Who are you talking to? I’ve watched the game and every pass play. There were two good throws and the rest were on Milton. That’s reality. Get over yourself

There were 4 catchable that I saw.

I saw one of your many posts whining about the same thing over and over and over, that said you're not saying Nico should be put in yet, "I'm just saying Milton sucks".

We get it. Now you can let it go or continue, but either way We All Get It.

 

[UTodd01]

Many here, if you read the threads, don't recall anything Milton has done except overthrow.

You're correct, he did what was needed after Hooker went down but all folks recall was his first couple of games with UT and Hooker replacing him.

Because he's not Hendon Hooker, he's not good and, even crazier, they think he's causing Josh Heupel to create this whole slower tempo, really really simple offense........ despite the fact Milton ran the uptempo, pre-snap reads, regular Heupel offense rather well against Clemson.

We are clearly playing at a slower pace than last year and even '21.

Now, is that because of Joe or something else? Who knows.

 

[volfeeva]

I went back and watched the game again on YT sunday and it looked like some of his passes were off and not catchable and also he had too much speed on them ( maybe from game time nerves.) He seemed to get more comfortable later in the game.

 

[TheDeeble]

After watching the game yesterday, many of those incompletions in the first half were catchable. Not perfect but no reason to not be caught. The one he zipped over the wr head in the middle and the one in the end zone about 3 feet out of reach weren't really catchable.

 

[DaddyChad]

I mean this can be debated to death. Milton is never going to be the most accurate with ball placement BUT as a WR you have to catch the ball if it’s close. When you have those drops you lose any rhythm as well don’t really allow the QB to get on mentally as well. If our wrs can’t catch balls that aren’t perfectly placed then we have the wrong wrs in the game. I attribute a lot of this to several guys being out during the week before AP and there not being a lot of chemistry bc of it.

Really think we see an entirely different offense and it’s probably apparent on the first offensive possession. If we don’t see a better offense vs Florida we’re in for a long season.

 

[photovol]

Joe says he never loses in Florida, I hope he doesn’t have to eat those words

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Good breakdown but the first Bru drop wasn’t his fault. It was a baddd throw well behind him. Stopping ur momentum and trying to turn your body around like that running full speed is a veryyyyy hard catch to make.

Same with castles

It hit him in his hands. He should have caught it. Bru isn’t an undersized rookie WR.

 

[aRmo]

That 1st pass was behind McCoy. Not 100% catchable, maybe 50%. How are you coming up with arbitrary percentages? Pulling them out of the air?

you are doing the same thing. lol

 

[KeyVol14]

Joe says he never loses in Florida, I hope he doesn’t have to eat those words

Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought he was asked how it felt to beat Clemson in Miami or something along those lines. Do we really think he was referencing the gators?

 

[jwells]

You described terrible throws way behind receivers as catchable. Move on

They were catchable....they didn't require circus acrobatics. If the ball is near a WR, on level, it should be caught. That's what they do for a living.

 

[onevol74]

I just can't agree with that

Tennessee fans are becoming a sad bunch if that is the case. Joe is 4-0 the last 4 games with zero turnovers. Joe is not Hendon, nor will be Nico. Just wait and see. Not sure I would want to play QB for this fan base.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

I suggest some of you guys do what I did and replay the games, not the highlights, the games and review Hooker's throws.

He dropped some absolute dimes, no doubt, but there are plenty of throws where receivers made athletic catches, waited on balls, went up to get balls, etc.

I know the success of last year clouded my memory such that I recalled Hooker doing nothing but throw perfectly. The games show he had some help from the receivers too.

Seriously, wind through some games from last year. You'll see some throws where Hooker was bailed out by great catches.

In fairness, it's clear Hooker seems to throw with a "softer" touch than Joe. I'm not a QB or receiver so it's hard for me to judge passes technically, but I'm sure Heupel and Halzle don't need my help with that.

 

[UT's#1Fan]

We want Nico.

 

[FBtime]

We want Nico.

We want you...to shut up

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

I didn’t see the game but it seems a little arbitrary to assign a percentage to “catchable” based on nothing but your opinion and then proceed as though that’s fact. Conversely, if your percentages are accurate, Heupel needs to threaten pulling some scholarships.

Good Lord. Threaten to pull scholarships? That's up there with the guy that said he'd have or players running guts until they threw up.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

You described terrible throws way behind receivers as catchable. Move on

Way behind? No. Most of them hit the receivers. We're they a little behind? Yeah, but still should have been caught.

 

[901 Orange]

That’s just not reality. NFL Wrs drop passes all the time and they drop more bad passes than good ones i.e. behind the receiver, high, etc.

In the NFL a drop is considered an incomplete pass that only the receiver is at fault. So if the pass was uncatchable they don't credit them with a drop.

 

[VolinWayne]

I didn’t see the game but it seems a little arbitrary to assign a percentage to “catchable” based on nothing but your opinion and then proceed as though that’s fact. Conversely, if your percentages are accurate, Heupel needs to threaten pulling some scholarships.

At this level if a receiver can get 2 hands on a ball it should be caught.....period

 

[901 Orange]

From what video was available during fall practice, it looked like Milton had developed "touch" to his passing game. There are a lot of people who know tons more about the quarterback position than I do, but I define "touch" as the ability to put a ball, where it needs to be and also gives the receiver the ability to adjust to put himself in the best position to catch the ball.

At this point of the season, which is VERY early, Milton is back to throwing rockets at a spot. That is very good for wide receiver screens, it is not good for slant passes or deep throws.

Uhh you better put some heat on slants and deep throws or it's getting picked. If u ever see a QB attack the outside window in Cover 2 that's touch. It requires the QB to get the ball over the CB but back down before the Saftey gets there. The throws are behind but his problem isn't touch. It's anticipation and he'll improve that when he fully trusts the WR's. He is throwing the ball to where the Receiver is instead of throwing where he is going. That comes with time, you can practice it all you want but ain't no speed like game speed.

 

[lifeisdeep]

At this level if a receiver can get 2 hands on a ball it should be caught.....period

Methinks you never played so much as Pop Warner football, and also never took a physics class. You evidently also never watch the NFL because receivers at that level - you know, the level far above this one - drop passes every week, every game. Every game there are passes that "hit the receiver in the hands" and still get dropped, because physics, believe it or not, is a real thing. If the ball is behind you and you're moving fifteen or twenty miles an hour away from it, you probably aren't going to catch it, regardless of what someone with zero football knowledge on a message board says about whether you should.

 

[lifeisdeep]

In the NFL a drop is considered an incomplete pass that only the receiver is at fault. So if the pass was uncatchable they don't credit them with a drop.

I wasn't speaking in terms of stats but strictly in terms of times where the receiver touches the ball but doesn't catch it. But your point is helpful nonetheless because it pretty much proves my point.

 

[swampfoxfan]

So much talk about should have but didn't. QB or recievers, doesn't matter now. But fact is, they will have to start connecting beginning Saturday. If not we aren't going to win the conference title.

So far thru two games our passing game has only completed 2 passes over 20 yards. That's not a recipe for success. The running game depends on stretching the field, Florida will make us prove we can.

 

[GUNTERSVOL]

I wasn't speaking in terms of stats but strictly in terms of times where the receiver touches the ball but doesn't catch it. But your point is helpful nonetheless because it pretty much proves my point.

Don’t care what words you use it is subjective. If a receiver short arms a ball and does not touch it it is still catchable. Impossible for MOST to know if a receiver broke off the designed route after the ball is in the air and it goes over his head and behind him. Staff grades only to be sure. Seen plenty of receivers quit on a long ball.

 

[lifeisdeep]

Don’t care what words you use it is subjective. If a receiver short arms a ball and does not touch it it is still catchable. Impossible for MOST to know if a receiver broke off the designed route after the ball is in the air and it goes over his head and behind him. Staff grades only to be sure. Seen plenty of receivers quit on a long ball.

It has already been established that we're not talking about routes that got bailed on or run wrong. I didn't see the game but multiple posters on here who did have made clear that Milton repeatedly threw behind receivers - that's neither of the scenarios you mention, which therefore makes those scenarios irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

 

[VolinWayne]

Methinks you never played so much as Pop Warner football, and also never took a physics class. You evidently also never watch the NFL because receivers at that level - you know, the level far above this one - drop passes every week, every game. Every game there are passes that "hit the receiver in the hands" and still get dropped, because physics, believe it or not, is a real thing. If the ball is behind you and you're moving fifteen or twenty miles an hour away from it, you probably aren't going to catch it, regardless of what someone with zero football knowledge on a message board says about whether you should.

I played plenty of football back in my day and WR was the position I played. If I missed a ball that hit both of my hands I considered it a drop and I don't think I was nearly as talented as a lot of these guys.