BREAKING: Syracuse investigating report that Asst coach Molested former ball boy

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LawVol13 said:
Again, a lie. I have stated that even if Paterno didn't believe McQueary, he should have turned it over to the authorities to be investigated. If it turned out that Paterno was right and McQueary made it up, it would come out in the investigation.

You are a liar.
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Should boeheim have went to the cops?
 
#77
#77
LawVol13 said:
Again, a lie. I have stated that even if Paterno didn't believe McQueary, he should have turned it over to the authorities to be investigated. If it turned out that Paterno was right and McQueary made it up, it would come out in the investigation.

You are a liar.
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Do you always report things that you do not believe to the police? I do not know if you are married, but if someone came to you, someone who is not credible, with a non-corroborated allegation against your wife, would you immediately report it to the police to be investigated?
 
#79
#79
LawVol13 said:
If he witnessed something that led him to believe child sex abuse was occurring, absolutely.
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Should Boeheim have kept Fine on his staff after 2003-04? Should he have had access to the facilities? Should he have been around ballboys?
 
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therealUT said:
Do you always report things that you do not believe to the police? I do not know if you are married, but if someone came to you, someone who is not credible, with a non-corroborated allegation against your wife, would you immediately report it to the police to be investigated?
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If my fiance was raping kids and I didn't report it to the police, I should be charged with crimes. I also like how now you're assuming that Paterno had any reason to think that McQreary was not credible. I'm sure you're right and he simply thought McQreary was making up an allegation of sex abuse on one of Paterno's best friends. Paterno was so mad that he promoted McQreary. That makes a lot of sense.
 
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therealUT said:
Should Boeheim have kept Fine on his staff after 2003-04? Should he have had access to the facilities? Should he have been around ballboys?
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Again, if he witnessed something that suggested child sex abuse, the authorities should be notified. Fine should have been placed on administrative leave pending the outcome of the investigation. That's the same process that should have taken place at Penn State. And no, he should not have been around ballboys pending the outcome of the investigation.

Again, it's really not rocket science.
 
#83
#83
LawVol13 said:
If my fiance was raping kids and I didn't report it to the police, I should be charged with crimes. I also like how now you're assuming that Paterno had any reason to think that McQreary was credible. I'm sure you're right and he simply thought McQreary was making up an allegation of sex abuse on one of Paterno's best friends. Paterno was so mad that he promoted McQreary. That makes a lot of sense.
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You dodged the question: if someone who you deemed not to be credible reported that your fiance was doing something illegal, would you immediately report it to the police? That is a simple yes or no question.

Do you think individuals simply become liars overnight?

Do you think it is unreasonable for a football coach to have someone on his staff who might not be the most upstanding moral character yet is a good position coach?

Do you think it is unreasonable that any AD would ever hire someone like John Calipari or Dennis Erickson to produce results on the court/field?
 
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rmsmith said:
a man laying in bed is more than enough
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Ok, I'm going to refrain from insulting you right now, but it's extremely difficult. How many times do I have to state that IF that's what Boeheim actually saw, I agree. It's shocking you're assuming that he did since you don't ever assume unestablished facts.
 
#85
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LawVol13 said:
Ok, I'm going to refrain from insulting you right now, but it's extremely difficult. How many times do I have to state that IF that's what Boeheim actually saw, I agree. It's shocking you're assuming that he did since you don't ever assume unestablished facts.
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You've never refrained before

But you assume paterno KNEW
 
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#86
therealUT said:
You dodged the question: if someone who you deemed not to be credible reported that your fiance was doing something illegal, would you immediately report it to the police? That is a simple yes or no question.

Do you think individuals simply become liars overnight?

Do you think it is unreasonable for a football coach to have someone on his staff who might not be the most upstanding moral character yet is a good position coach?

Do you think it is unreasonable that any AD would ever hire someone like John Calipari or Dennis Erickson to produce results on the court/field?
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I would hope that I would. Because, again, if I didn't and she was, then I should be charged. Period.

I think the rest of your post is totally irrelevant. I don't think a coach would promote a guy who wrongfully accused said coach's best buddy of ass raping a kid. Call me crazy.
 
#87
#87
From Dan Wetzel:

"Syracuse said it conducted four month "comprehensive" investigation in 2005 of allegation against Fine. Found nothing"

"SU investigation included "interviewing people complainant said would support his claims. All ... denied any knowledge of wrongful conduct"
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Wonder if Boeheim is someone "complainant said would support his claims.

We need more information.

Penn State had a current young victim who reported the crime, a coach who testified that he saw another crime years ago, another accusation and investigation years before that. Nothing like that has come out yet at Syracuse.
 
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#88
LawVol13 said:
Again, if he witnessed something that suggested child sex abuse, the authorities should be notified. Fine should have been placed on administrative leave pending the outcome of the investigation. That's the same process that should have taken place at Penn State. And no, he should not have been around ballboys pending the outcome of the investigation.

Again, it's really not rocket science.
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What do you think about how the following is worded:
Outside the Lines investigated Davis's story in 2003 but decided not to run the story because there were no other victims who would talk
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No other victims who would talk.

As someone who operates under a "no modification without 'necessitation'" principle, that grammatically signals that there were other victims and, hence, corroboration. They just would not talk. Yet, Boeheim kept Fine on the staff and, from the information out right now, there was no internal investigation at Syracuse.
 
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rmsmith said:
You've never refrained before
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My position on Penn State is based on what we know. I haven't assumed anything. I've given my opinion on what I think was going on, but I've only ever advocated a full scale investigation. So, nice try, but you're still wrong. Also, you managed to lie and admit you're a hypocrite in the same post. Congratulations.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
From Dan Wetzel:



Wonder if Boeheim is someone "complainant said would support his claims.

We need more information.

Penn State had a current young victim who reported the crime, a coach who testified that he saw another crime years ago, another accusation and investigation years before that. Nothing like that has come out yet at Syracuse.
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Of course we need more information; we also need more information on the PSU case before people assign guilt to Paterno.
 
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#91
LawVol13 said:
My position on Penn State is based on what we know. I haven't assumed anything. I've given my opinion on what I think was going on, but I've only ever advocated a full scale investigation. So, nice try, but you're still wrong. Also, you managed to lie and admit you're a hypocrite in the same post. Congratulations.
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You have not assumed anything other than Paterno's culpability.
 
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#92
therealUT said:
What do you think about how the following is worded:


No other victims who would talk.

As someone who operates under a "no modification without 'necessitation'" principle, that grammatically signals that there were other victims and, hence, corroboration. They just would not talk. Yet, Boeheim kept Fine on the staff and, from the information out right now, there was no internal investigation at Syracuse.
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I'm not going to study the grammar of the article to attempt to deduce what is established fact.
 
#93
#93
therealUT said:
You have not assumed anything other than Paterno's culpability.
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I have advocated that Paterno should be indicted as part of a thorough and complete investigation. That's based on the current evidence that we already know. Then, Paterno and the other players would spill their story and we'd figure out if they need to proceed to trial or dismiss the indictment on Paterno.
 
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#95
LawVol13 said:
I have advocated that Paterno should be indicted as part of a thorough and complete investigation. That's based on the current evidence that we already know. Then, Paterno and the other players would spill their story and we'd figure out if they need to proceed to trial or dismiss the indictment on Paterno.
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Have you stated that you think that Paterno should have been fired?

If you are not assuming that he is culpable, then why should he have been fired?
 
#96
#96
therealUT said:
Have you stated that you think that Paterno should have been fired?

If you are not assuming that he is culpable, then why should he have been fired?
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I thought you were talking about criminal culpability. Paterno ****ed up by not notifying the police. I think he absolutely should have notified the authorities based on what he admitted he was told. So, I think he should have been fired. That's my opinion more than it is assuming anything.
 
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#97
therealUT said:
Of course we need more information; we also need more information on the PSU case before people assign guilt to Paterno.
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Absolutely agreed, from a criminal standpoint. But there are overwhelming indications that Penn State and its athletic department at best ignored and at worst covered up multiple allegations of child abuse. Penn State decided that they couldn't allow anybody invovled to be associated with them anymore, and they cut ties with all of them. Surely that's their prerogative.

Perhaps this will all turn out to be a big misunderstanding and everybody will owe Paterno a big hearty apology.

There are not yet the same overwhelming indications that Syracuse is guilty of the same stuff. We'll see what comes out in the next couple of days.
 
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#98
LawVol13 said:
I thought you were talking about criminal culpability. Paterno ****ed up by not notifying the police. I think he absolutely should have notified the authorities based on what he admitted he was told. So, I think he should have been fired. That's my opinion more than it is assuming anything.
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Did you make any assumptions in making the above statements?
 
#100
#100
Vercingetorix said:
Absolutely agreed, from a criminal standpoint. But there are overwhelming indications that Penn State and its athletic department at best ignored and at worst covered up multiple allegations of child abuse. Penn State decided that they couldn't allow anybody invovled to be associated with them anymore, and they cut ties with all of them. Surely that's their prerogative.

Perhaps this will all turn out to be a big misunderstanding and everybody will owe Paterno a big hearty apology.

There are not yet the same overwhelming indications that Syracuse is guilty of the same stuff. We'll see what comes out in the next couple of days.
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Exactly right. As of now, the situations aren't comparable no matter how much TRUT wants them to be.
 
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