Brent Venables could be our next DC

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EaglesVols91 said:
Right which is why I said IF he left for a HC gig
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I understand what you are saying about Banks, but being a good unit coach does not necessarily qualify a person to be a head coach. Many people are just not "head of the overall operation/ CEO" personality or mind set. Many in Bank's position will jump up in a heart beat and Venables is a prime example. Just not a good CEO type. Banks may understand where he is professionally and is happy with what he does.
 
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VOLfrombama said:
I would love to believe you. So think about this and talk it out.

Banks makes $1.2 this season, plus bonuses for bowls, playoffs etc. So he could end up making more like 1.5 or 1.6 depending on how far they go.

mike houston was making $2.3 before they fired him. Since they fired him, i would expect them to try and get an upgrade and will probably have to pay up for their choice.

(IF) So let’s say they offer him $3 million.

Imo, It will be hard to turn that down (IF) considering he could probably be in a contract around $15 million in 5 years. If he has a good agent, (IF) he could basically get most of that guaranteed with a solid buyout clause.

(AND) It would take him twice as long maybe ~10 years to make that here. Plus who knows if he’ll still have a job then. Things can change quickly.

Money talks, especially when you come from nothing like he did. He grew up in a not so great part of Detroit. $15mil would be life changing to him and his family. Plus if its guaranteed, im not sure how he can say no.

Maybe he doesn’t want that job, but if they offer enough money, they could change his mind. You never know what you might do until someone pulls out the checkbook.
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Lots of (incognito) ifs, ands running around in there .... I am proposing that your logic is more supposition.
I am not making any of the following arguments:
I am not saying that Banks will or won't be at UT next fall.
I'm not assuming I know how much money Banks will be making next fall, if he were to stay at UT.
I'm not assuming that everybody desires to be a head coach (I know one, for sure, that never wanted to be a head coach). So, I'm not assuming that Banks wants to be a head coach.
I'm not assuming that Banks is ready (Kirby Smart was a position coach for 9 years, and a DC for 8 years, before he took a head coaching job).
I'm not assuming money is more important than anything else.

I AM HOPING that he stays for 2 or 3 more years! :^)
 
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VOLfrombama said:
How many times has that scenario happened?
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How many times do you think it has happened, both ways it has happened, but doubtful. If Venables gets fired he will have options, Tennessee is more than likely not on that list and if they are then other offers will also be available.
The worse thing that can happen to a team is assistant coaching turnover unless it absolutely necessary.
 
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Sudden Impact said:
How many times do you think it has happened, both ways it has happened, but doubtful. If Venables gets fired he will have options, Tennessee is more than likely not on that list and if they are then other offers will also be available.
The worse thing that can happen to a team is assistant coaching turnover unless it absolutely necessary.
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yeah i don't know. That’s why I asked you.

Banks is going to have to say no to several multi-million dollar offers to stay here. That’s my point.

Btw i'm not arguing that Venables is coming here, only pointing out that there’s a good chance there’s a vacancy. I'm also thinking Venable may not have any options for a head coaching gig, unless its at a mid major.
 
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SN-A-C Orange said:
Lots of (incognito) ifs, ands running around in there .... I am proposing that your logic is more supposition.
I am not making any of the following arguments:
I am not saying that Banks will or won't be at UT next fall.
I'm not assuming I know how much money Banks will be making next fall, if he were to stay at UT.
I'm not assuming that everybody desires to be a head coach (I know one, for sure, that never wanted to be a head coach). So, I'm not assuming that Banks wants to be a head coach.
I'm not assuming that Banks is ready (Kirby Smart was a position coach for 9 years, and a DC for 8 years, before he took a head coaching job).
I'm not assuming money is more important than anything else.

I AM HOPING that he stays for 2 or 3 more years! :^)
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Not as many ifs as you would purport. Banks will be courted by many and will have to turn down multi-million dollar offers. He's already being named to an opening.
 
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VOLfrombama said:
yeah i dont know. That’s why I asked you.

Banks is going to have to say no to several multi-million dollar offers to stay here. That’s my point.

Btw im not arguing that Venables is coming here, only pointing out that there’s a good chance there’s a vacancy.
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Isn't this Banks first DC job as the sole DC vs Co DC. HC is more than just play calling. We seem to take that for granted. Recruitting, team building, staff building, Fan Building, and booster building, AD and still staying within the bounds of the Toothless NCAA. NIL and Transfer portal mgt. Some never want that responsibility. If he goes it will be to a smaller school. More than likely not worth the switch. 1.2 million plus bonuses hard to walk away from if you are producing and in a decent culture with the staff he has at UTK.
 
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VOLfrombama said:
Not as many ifs as you would purport. Banks will be courted by many and will have to turn down multi-million dollar offers. He's already being named to an opening.
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I think that the Nick Saban/Kirby Smart situation and the Josh Heupel/Tim Banks situation MIGHT be comparable. Smart was with Nick for 10 years before he left to become a HC.
Did Kirby get offers, of course he did. Every year. And I'm pretty sure the money was better than what he was making at Bama. But he chose to stay at Bama.
Would I be wrong to propose that ... on this topic, you a glass half empty kind of guy? Not making an accusation, just enquiring.
Will Banks stick around for 10 years, I sure do hope so, but I do not know. In fact, I have no idea. But I am definitely a half full glass kind of guy.
I've never been a part of the legion of the miserables. (Although, I have sung a couple of songs from that show.)
Money, does not bring or buy happiness.
My daughter has accepted 4 contracts ... in 4 years ... and lived in 4 states in those 4 years. She is NOT chasing the money.
In fact, next year will be the first time she has a chance to make 40K for the year.
She loves the job and she values the people she works with high on her list.
Is Tim like my daughter and have similar values ... I do not know Tim Banks. I have never met him, if you have ... then your insight is likely to be more accurate.
Time will tell ...
 
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I think the real question is: if USF cans Golesh, do we take him back as OC?

Does Halzle stay if he gets bumped back down to QB Coach?

And would our play calling and overall offense improve under Golesh?
 
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One thing I've not seen mentioned. If OU fires him, he'll get paid a lot of money. UT could hire him as an analyst which means he can still coach but wouldn't be allowed to recruit.

Seen a lot of this at other places, seems like it would be almost like a vacation compared to the stress he's under right now. Plus, he still gets to coach which is probably what he really loves to do.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
I think the real question is: if USF cans Golesh, do we take him back as OC?

Does Halzle stay if he gets bumped back down to QB Coach?

And would our play calling and overall offense improve under Golesh?
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Even if USF only wins 1 more game this season and finishes 4-8, that win total would match his predecessor, Jeff Scott, 4 wins over 3 seasons. Golesh isn't going to be fired.
 
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Wasn't he the one that said he could do better than Tennessee at one point? Or something of that nature?
 
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ntxVOL said:
One thing I've not seen mentioned. If OU fires him, he'll get paid a lot of money. UT could hire him as an analyst which means he can still coach but wouldn't be allowed to recruit.

Seen a lot of this at other places, seems like it would be almost like a vacation compared to the stress he's under right now. Plus, he still gets to coach which is probably what he really loves to do.
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The problem with that is you have two "Big D1cks" in the house. That's usually not good.

Saban could take coaches in as analysts and not be challenged. Smart can do it now. Those guys are/were completely and totally above having another ego or powerful personality in the room.

Josh Heupel isn't the most "this is my ship and you'd better know it" coach. Having a strong personality like Venables or Jimbo in the room would probably dilute Heupel's control and power.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
The problem with that is you have two "Big D1cks" in the house. That's usually not good.

Saban could take coaches in as analysts and not be challenged. Smart can do it now. Those guys are/were completely and totally above having another ego or powerful personality in the room.

Josh Heupel isn't the most "this is my ship and you'd better know it" coach. Having a strong personality like Venables or Jimbo in the room would probably dilute Heupel's control and power.
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True, certainly wouldn't want to upset what's currently working. Just seems like he could be an asset as far as bouncing around ideas and analyzing future opponents.
 
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ntxVOL said:
True, certainly wouldn't want to upset what's currently working. Just seems like he could be an asset as far as bouncing around ideas and analyzing future opponents.
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I agree. His advice would be great but Heupel isn't the strongest personality I've ever seen on a coach.

I'd like to see Josh become more forceful, less Midwestern laid back, take a sideline penalty for chewing at a ref, get in the grill of a player who needs it, etc. Your HC needs to be the biggest lion on the sideline and, if I were a player, I'd be scared of the wrath of Coach Garner, not Coach Heupel.
 
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EaglesVols91 said:
OK fired their OC today and he’ll be next if things don’t turn around. Would hate to lose Banks, but would be happy for him if he got a HC job (if he wants to be a HC) because there will be some teams calling once the season is over. Venables would be a good hire

Lots of ifs BUT very possible imo
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I’d say Dabo would take him back
 
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I am not completely sure why it is felt that we need to discuss a replacement for Tim Banks while we are just now starting the second half of our season. We finally have the type of defense that we wanted from Banks and even the discussion is odd. If Brent Venables came in, he would want to implement his style of D that would probably be geared toward a different type of athlete. It would also bring a completely new nomenclature that would take at least one full year to master. Whether it would work long term is irrelevant. This fickle fanbase would be calling for his head if we took a step backward in his FIRST year.
 
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77' Vol said:
Littrell was the Scapegoat.
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Someone had to go and $44million says it was never going to be BV. I won't be surprised to see the entire offensive staff, except maybe the WR coach, gone at season's end. A perfect storm of injuries, poor OL play, and poor to average coaching this year.

Always the optimist, I expect that BV will reset with a solid group of offensive coaches and we will see much improvement next year. Probably not championship level, but nothing as bad as the abomination this year has been.
 
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