Bruce Feldman and Tim Brando criticize the SEC's handling of LSU/Florida

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Alright I give up. :)

They'll probably fine me as well. :eek:lol: You guys have a good evening.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Alleva said anywhere, anytime this past weekend, I believe Saturday and Sunday at either location, and use of LSU plane. It was also reported I believe LSU offered Monday as well, but I am not sure Alleva said that in specific.

Joe Alleva: 'LSU made every attempt' to play Florida game | NOLA.com
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"I want our fans and everyone to know LSU made every attempt to try and play this game," Alleva said at a Thursday evening press conference. "We offered to go to Gainesville on Sunday, fly in Sunday morning and fly back Sunday night. We offered the opportunity for them to come here Saturday or Sunday.

"Ultimately the decision as made by the league office and we respect that. You have to respect Florida's concern about safety and travel."

Monday not mentioned and again, the aggregious part is that all options were not on the table as legitimate solutions. And foleys failure, allevas failure, and sankys failure is that they all let it get to this point.

Failure of leadership.

And now the conference still has a responsibility to rest if the league.
 
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jakez4ut said:
"I want our fans and everyone to know LSU made every attempt to try and play this game," Alleva said at a Thursday evening press conference. "We offered to go to Gainesville on Sunday, fly in Sunday morning and fly back Sunday night. We offered the opportunity for them to come here Saturday or Sunday.
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Florida's plan worked flawlessly up to the point, which is why the SEC is sitting in a dark corner curled up. The SEC has no choice but to remedy the Florida issue meaning less than 8 games, if there is one. The SEC has a problem, and if they don't fix it Florida my guess will take action if its not remedied.

I am kind of enjoying the entertainment though. I have to say Florida might have pulled off one of the most glorious (although I would say unethical) moves in sports history.

At this point, the SEC has to hope the Vols keep winning in the East and the Tigers keep losing in the West.

I have to say this was brilliant, maybe evil as well, but definitely brilliant.

It has nothing to do with leadership, the Commissioner got schooled.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Florida's plan worked flawlessly up to the point, which is why the SEC is sitting in a dark corner curled up. The SEC has no choice but to remedy the Florida issue meaning less than 8 games, if there is one. The SEC has a problem, and if they don't fix it Florida my guess will take action if its not remedied.

I am kind of enjoying the entertainment though. I have to say Florida might have pulled off one of the most glorious (although I would say unethical) moves in sports history.

At this point, the SEC has to hope the Vols keep winning in the East and the Tigers keep losing in the West.

I have to say this was brilliant, maybe evil as well, but definitely brilliant.

It has nothing to do with leadership, the Commissioner got schooled.
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I have learned that you, obviously, are not a leader. And if by chance, you are, there's no way you can be any good at it.

Good day.
 
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jakez4ut said:
I have learned that you, obviously, are not a leader. And if by chance, you are, there's no way you can be any good at it.

Good day.
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What does that even mean. I have nothing to do with Florida's decision to do this. So... I'm responsible now. :blink:
 
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Saw this on another site. Dr. Seuss gets involved.

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Orange_Vol1321 said:
:eek:lol: and here the SEC is being defined by two incompetent aholes!
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Stinkey is incompetent but Foley isn't... maybe immoral, unethical, and maybe even diabolical... but no he is not incompetent. He might have pulled off one of sports biggest schemes without really doing anything. That is basically what he has done.... he has done nothing. Haha.

Alleva really isn't a player in this, he is just making sure the crapshows stays in the SEC office.
 
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So.... foley is sitting there... Tennessee loses to TAM.... if Tennessee loses to Alabama well now he has to get to work because I think logically you want the division champ to be on all games not just divisional games as the Vols would be 0-2 against the West.

So, Florida's goal at that point is I think win 2 of 3 against LSU, Arkansas, or Georgia.

That is assuming UF beats Missouri this week. Then next week I would think UF might be willing to play LSU, but to me Foley is controlling this whole thing and by the SEC waiting once again it is putting Foley in charge.
 
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lawgator1 said:
It's all Foley. LSU has acquiesced to everything and is just a poor victim. Gotcha.
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LSU is a poor victim because this was a Florida home game. The Tigers offered everything including flying in on Monday so the game could get played. Foley played Sankey knowing that if the game didn't get played somehow over the weekend it would put LSU in a very tight spot. And it did. Foley knew that LSU couldn't give up a home game. This is on Florida. Now the only way Sankey can resolve this is to crown the division winners using only divisional games.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
So.... foley is sitting there... Tennessee loses to TAM.... if Tennessee loses to Alabama well now he has to get to work because I think logically you want the division champ to be on all games not just divisional games as the Vols would be 0-2 against the West.

So, Florida's goal at that point is I think win 2 of 3 against LSU, Arkansas, or Georgia.

That is assuming UF beats Missouri this week. Then next week I would think UF might be willing to play LSU, but to me Foley is controlling this whole thing and by the SEC waiting once again it is putting Foley in charge.
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If UF only wins 2 of those 3 games then the gators can't win the East (assuming UT doesn't choke against one of SC, UK, Mizzou, or Vandy). Because another SEC loss gives UF 2 losses, same as UT (assuming we lost to bama), and UT wins the tiebreaker.
 
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lawgator1 said:
It's all Foley. LSU has acquiesced to everything and is just a poor victim. Gotcha.
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Yes, you are the one who had the rain shower.

Also hearing that the SEC had decided to just use the divisional records for this year. IMO, that is what they need to use every year. That is the true round robin.
 
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The Commissioner's Regulations for Football says:

Each Conference team shall play eight Conference games each year. The schedule will consist of a 6-1-1 format, whereby each institution will play all six of its division opponents, one permanent opponent and one rotating opponent from the other division each year.
 
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CobbVol said:
The Commissioner's Regulations for Football says:

Each Conference team shall play eight Conference games each year. The schedule will consist of a 6-1-1 format, whereby each institution will play all six of its division opponents, one permanent opponent and one rotating opponent from the other division each year.
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Yep. But the issue is that the bylaws also give the commissioner the authority to cancel a contest at his sole discretion. Cancel is further defined to mean that all statistics and the score are stricken from the books. Just like it was never scheduled in the first place.

Where the regulations and bylaws are quiet are if the "shall" is not met in the section you quoted. There is no specific result specified for not meeting it.

Further the regulations specify the division winners are determined by the teams with the highest winning percentages. One could argue the intent was to determine this percentage from an 8 conference game schedule. But the docs are quiet.

Going forward I would guess the governing documents will be updated so that future spineless commissioners will not result in a **** storm like this happening on its own again.

Edit: the obvious edit to the governing docs would be to determine the winning percentage as the number of conference wins over a regular 8 conference game schedule. That way you must determine your required win count on the field regardless of any scheduling impacts. And it motivates teams to resolve conflicts if they are in the hunt for a division title.
 
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rocky200663 said:
LSU is a poor victim because this was a Florida home game. The Tigers offered everything including flying in on Monday so the game could get played. Foley played Sankey knowing that if the game didn't get played somehow over the weekend it would put LSU in a very tight spot. And it did. Foley knew that LSU couldn't give up a home game. This is on Florida. Now the only way Sankey can resolve this is to crown the division winners using only divisional games.
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Its going to get worked out. But in any event the notion that we jockeyed around the dates because of the hurricane to try to miss a home game (which is huge money) is just so ridiculous it is no longer worthy of comment. I mean, that claim is just utter nonsense.


Jax_Vol said:
Yes, you are the one who had the rain shower.

Also hearing that the SEC had decided to just use the divisional records for this year. IMO, that is what they need to use every year. That is the true round robin.
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If you live in Jax I'm a little surprised at your dismissiveness of what could have happened had the storm gone 50 miles west of where it did.
 
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CobbVol said:
The Commissioner's Regulations for Football says:

Each Conference team shall play eight Conference games each year. The schedule will consist of a 6-1-1 format, whereby each institution will play all six of its division opponents, one permanent opponent and one rotating opponent from the other division each year.
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There is going to have to remedy for that. I mean technically the SEC signed off on this.

My question is whether or not the SEC can change it from divisional winner based on division record only versus all games mid-season? As is, Florida will benefit, and LSU to me gets hurt as they are basically out of the SECCG... or appear to be out. If they can't change it mid-season, they need to cancel the UF-LSU game this week, before UF can see the outcome of the Vols-Bama game. Or even UF might want to reschedule at that time.

UF is only going to attempt to reschedule if it benefits them, which it might at some point, but clearly the SEC isn't in charge right now.... Foley is.
 
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rocky200663 said:
LSU is a poor victim because this was a Florida home game. The Tigers offered everything including flying in on Monday so the game could get played. Foley played Sankey knowing that if the game didn't get played somehow over the weekend it would put LSU in a very tight spot. And it did. Foley knew that LSU couldn't give up a home game. This is on Florida. Now the only way Sankey can resolve this is to crown the division winners using only divisional games.
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i've not seen anything, even in Alleva's comments, that says that Monday was ever on the table.

if they did, and FL turned it down, then why on Earth is that not the only thing being discussed? that's the equivalent of a smoking gun.

if that happened, and FL said, no, then it's a slam dunk who's at fault.

Monday was never specifically identified in anything made public....at least as far as i've seen.

this blame game, and conspiracy theory stuff, while entertaining, is just dumb.

i'll never be able to get past the fact that you have Foley, widely considered one of the best AD's in SEC history, Alleva an AD at a storied SEC program and the SEC commissioner had ZERO plan b's in place.

there were no contingencies made based on the potential outcomes of the storm. if this, then we'll do that, and so on. LSU and FL should have been able to do that on their own, and absent of that, Sankey should have set them down and said, ok, then we'll do this.

none of that happened, they all failed.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Its going to get worked out. But in any event the notion that we jockeyed around the dates because of the hurricane to try to miss a home game (which is huge money) is just so ridiculous it is no longer worthy of comment. I mean, that claim is just utter nonsense.




If you live in Jax I'm a little surprised at your dismissiveness of what could have happened had the storm gone 50 miles west of where it did.
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nobodies discounting the effects of the storm, potential or otherwise.
it's 2 separate issues....1) safety for all that could be involved...check. i don't have any issue with them not playing on Saturday. 2) once the storm is over, when are we playing...still waiting.
 
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