Bruce Feldman and Tim Brando criticize the SEC's handling of LSU/Florida

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LSU-SIU said:
And the Commissioner is responsible for ensuring that the SEC mitigates the potential damages. The Commissioner didn't do that, matter of fact, the Commissioner doubled down. You only have one party, you can't tango.

As much as I don't care for what Florida did, there is no way you can hang a L on them now.
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sure you can, if you do it to both LSU and FL. i don't like how Sankey has handled this, he left waaaaay to loose a rope here, but he did give both schools every opportunity to get it done. they've failed. he can only fail if he lets their failure continue.

and further, there's enough blame to go all around here. this is an epic failure of leadership at FL, LSU and by the conference.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
I have a post earlier in thread. I looked it up yesterday. The authority for game postponement or cancellation of a contest lies only with the commissioner or his designee. If the institutions do not comply with his decree on rescheduling they are in violation of the bylaws and then subject to whatever remediation process allowed by the bylaws (read that sanctions). I looked the bylaws and commissioners regulations up yesterday.

Sankey can fix this all by himself. He just has to chose to do so. Slive would have already had the game in the books. Just like UT LSU
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GREAT. and he still can. Slive told TN and LSU exactly what would happen to them if they didn't play. he probably told them something to the affect of "the game is going to be rescheduled for Monday night...TN be there, LSU be there, and if there's any more belly aching, "this" will be the consequence..."

Sankey has obviously not done that.
 
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jakez4ut said:
sure you can, if you do it to both LSU and FL.
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He's rolling the dice if he does, I can tell you that, he is not on solid legal ground. What you are proposing is that the Commissioner punish 3rd parties for his failure to mitigate the potential impact. You really don't understand this? (nevermind not a question)
 
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jakez4ut said:
GREAT. and he still can. Slive told TN and LSU exactly what would happen to them if they didn't play. he probably told them something to the affect of "the game is going to be rescheduled for Monday night...TN be there, LSU be there, and if there's any more belly aching, "this" will be the consequence..."

Sankey has obviously not done that.
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Exactly, now if either school is damaged, he is responsible for the damages because he failed to mitigate the damages at the time of the event and could have solved much of these issues.

Foley played Stinkey like a fiddle, Foley is not on the hook, Stinkey is.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Look, its undoubtedly a mess, and everyone is going to have to be willing to give a bit to get it done. I just really resent the implication that the original decision to postpone the game was motivated by something other than legitimate concerns at the time that the storm was going to prevent it.
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The decision to postpone from Saturday was a good decision. The decision not to play on Sunday/Monday by UF was motivated by an attempt to gain a competitive advantage both in the short term because of all of their injuries, and in the long term because of the SEC CG implications of being able to win at 6-1 and avoid their hardest remaining conf. game.

No legitimate reason has been given by UF for not being able to play on Sunday or Monday.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
He's rolling the dice if he does, I can tell you that, he is not on solid legal ground. What you are proposing is that the Commissioner punish 3rd parties for his failure to mitigate the potential impact. You really don't understand this? (nevermind not a question)
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here's what i understand..there's more to it than just those two schools, and the by laws to stipulate that it's up to the institutions to resolve scheduling conflicts. the fact that he hasn't done anything yet, doesn't mean he can't.

and again, while i don't think Sankey has handled this well.....at all....

let's not forget, you got 2 AD's at high profile SEC schools, making a ton of money, that their whole job is to handle stuff like this. and they couldn't make a decision? gimmie a break.

even if Sankey sits on his hands, the other conference members can vote and resolve this for LSU and FL, when and if submitted to them for resolution.

it's turned in to a pissing contest. period. and it shouldn't have. they could have had contingency plans for all kinds of scenarios depending on how bad the storm wound up being. they had ZERO plan b's.

that's a failure of leadership.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Exactly, now if either school is damaged, he is responsible for the damages because he failed to mitigate the damages at the time of the event and could have solved much of these issues.

Foley played Stinkey like a fiddle, Foley is not on the hook, Stinkey is.
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so if Alleva and Foley burn the stadiums to the ground, it's Sankey's fault because he didn't tell them they shouldn't do that?

again, Sankey has culpability here. 1/3. just like Alleva and Foley.
 
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GoBigOrangeVols said:
The decision to postpone from Saturday was a good decision. The decision not to play on Sunday/Monday by UF was motivated by an attempt to gain a competitive advantage both in the short term because of all of their injuries, and in the long term because of the SEC CC implications of being able to win at 6-1 and avoid their hardest remaining conf. game.

No legitimate reason has been given by UF for not being able to play on Sunday or Monday.
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And the decision by the commissioner's office to not force a plan for a Sunday/Monday to be scheduled was absolutely negligent by Sankey.

The home AD can delay the game at his own venue all day long at his own discretion. ONLY the commissioner can postpone. Neither AD has that authority. There is no reason Sankey couldn't reschedule for Monday and re-evaluate on Saturday. That was gross negligence
 
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GoBigOrangeVols said:
The decision to postpone from Saturday was a good decision. The decision not to play on Sunday/Monday by UF was motivated by an attempt to gain a competitive advantage both in the short term because of all of their injuries, and in the long term because of the SEC CG implications of being able to win at 6-1 and avoid their hardest remaining conf. game.

No legitimate reason has been given by UF for not being able to play on Sunday or Monday.
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and i've not heard any party....Alleva, Foley or Sankey even say if those options were put on the table.
 
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jakez4ut said:
and i've not heard any party....Alleva, Foley or Sankey even say if those options were put on the table.
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I thought Alleva stated that LSU offered to play the game, in either Baton Rouge or Gainesville, on Sunday or Monday. Even offered to fly in and out on the same day as not to take up hotel rooms.
 
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05_never_again said:
I thought Alleva stated that LSU offered to play the game, in either Baton Rouge or Gainesville, on Sunday or Monday. Even offered to fly in and out on the same day as not to take up hotel rooms.
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if they did, to play it in gainesville, then i completely missed that....i've not seen it. i know they offered to move it to Baton Rouge.

but i'd think that if LSU did say "hey, can we play it on Monday?" and FL said no, then that'd be front and center every where by now.

but here's the problem. in my experience, contingency plans are full of "if"/"thens"....

and it appears that between these two, and Sankey, their list of "if"/"thens" consistedn of....if we can't play saturday in Gainesville, at noon, only, then we won't play the game....because FL isn't going to Baton Rouge under any circumstance, LSU isn't giving up a future scheduled home date, under any circumstance" and that's where we are.

if this were done right, from the beginning...there'd be a list of contingencies...including what it would take.... resource wise, and what to anticipate from the storm, from best case scenario, to worst case.... to play it Saturday, Sunday, or Monday....or as a last resort, play at a neutral site any of those days.

what did these guys have? nothing. nada. zero.
 
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jakez4ut said:
so if Alleva and Foley burn the stadiums to the ground, it's Sankey's fault because he didn't tell them they shouldn't do that?

again, Sankey has culpability here. 1/3. just like Alleva and Foley.
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Obviously, if the stadium is not ready, and it was done on purpose and the team can't come up with alternative plan by the scheduled event date... a forfeit in theory could be the outcome.

I failing to see your point on all this.
 
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jakez4ut said:
here's what i understand..there's more to it than just those two schools, and the by laws to stipulate that it's up to the institutions to resolve scheduling conflicts. the fact that he hasn't done anything yet, doesn't mean he can't.
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Well, its real easy. Florida only offered the kickoff time of 11am (as far as I know), they did release a presser Wednesday saying they were not moving the date but the time might be changed.

LSU had offered at least Saturday and Sunday, and I have been told and its been reported as including Monday at either location. Florida did nothing, waited till Thursday and said they can't play the game on Saturday, the SEC signs off on it.

At this point, LSU more or less believes it operated with clean hands, and that the SEC failed to mitigate properly (I suspect) as alternative action could and arguable should have occurred.

You really don't have a scheduling problem here. Any additional damages to either school, could be pinned on the SEC... although I think LSU has a much stronger case. The Commissioner doubled down on Saturday, noob.

He's not too bright, or doesn't appear that way. Best course of action, I think, is do nothing and see what happens in UT v Gumps. The problem could disappear, but......

Tennessee probably has no action it can take because the rules basically cover this. LSU/UF if they are damaged further might just have a valid cause of action, but I doubt any of this gets to that point.
 
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I thought the SEC rules state that teams must play 6-1-1? Well if Florida and LSU don't- how could they possibly be in contention for the CG? Even if they both won out?
 
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Lovesomebigorange said:
I thought the SEC rules state that teams must play 6-1-1? Well if Florida and LSU don't- how could they possibly be in contention for the CG? Even if they both won out?
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I think the real problem and might be where UT, LSU, and UF might have a cause of action very soon. Alleva said there has been no dialogue as to the SEC stance on that issue. They are probably being quiet for a reason. If you notice, I keep saying LSU.... because apparently LSU has to answer questions that the SEC should be answering. :eek:lol:
 
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LSU-SIU said:
He's rolling the dice if he does, I can tell you that, he is not on solid legal ground. What you are proposing is that the Commissioner punish 3rd parties for his failure to mitigate the potential impact. You really don't understand this? (nevermind not a question)
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Yes he is in legal standing when both teams have violated their obligations to the conference. Until the game is played both teams are not fulfilling that obligation.
 
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onevol74 said:
Yes he is in legal standing when both teams have violated their obligations to the conference. Until the game is played both teams are not fulfilling that obligation.
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That is not how it works. The problem is the SEC failed to act, that problem doesn't magically disappear.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Obviously, if the stadium is not ready, and it was done on purpose and the team can't come up with alternative plan by the scheduled event date... a forfeit in theory could be the outcome.

I failing to see your point on all this.
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Actually, that is not surprising at all. You have failed to see anyone's point except yours.
 
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onevol74 said:
Actually, that is not surprising at all. You have failed to see anyone's point except yours.
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There are no real points, you are simply failing to see this is a SEC problem with no real ideal solution unless someone wants to be nice and or lose a bunch of money.

The easy solution left last week. So, for example, it could be easily argued the SEC damaged LSU, for that damage now the SEC needs to find remedy, and that remedy shouldn't damaged LSU further. Florida could probably claim similar but I think they have some shaky ground.

Either way, there is no easy solution, which is why Stinkey is hiding out somewhere and getting on TV saying the SEC is family. :eek:lol: The SEC isn't family, he simply has no easy solution or you would have heard it already.
 
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All that had to happen was for both teams to agree to play on Sunday if possible. If things went south and that couldn't happen, everyone would have saved face, and if it was possible as it looks like now the game would have been played.

Since both teams seem to be set in stone that they're not giving an inch and probably won't play the game, their conference standing should be treated as if this game was a forfeit for each team. Best for everyone involved.
 
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VolStrom said:
Since both teams seem to be set in stone that they're not giving an inch and probably won't play the game, their conference standing should be treated as if this game was a forfeit for each team. Best for everyone involved.
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Do you just make stuff for a living?

LSU gave all kinds of proposals, Florida and the SEC don't exist apparently. How did you get to your conclusion?
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Do you just make stuff for a living?

LSU gave all kinds of proposals, Florida and the SEC don't exist apparently. How did you get to your conclusion?
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What the hell are you saying?

I know what happened. Since neither team now seems to be agreeable to playing this game, treat it as a forfeit as far as conference standings go. I'm not saying making each team forfeit the game, I'm saying that as far as their standings go treat it as a loss for each team.
 
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