Bruce Pearl is a better basketball coach than Kevin O'Neill

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emainvol said:
I totally see where you are coming from now, I mean, god knows how little talent Pearl had this year compared to O'Neill. Not to mention the gauntlet-like SEC schedule.
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Yeah, I don't think strength of schedule is going to get you anywhere. Especially conference.

Like I said, pearls worst coaching job is only slightly better than one of O'Neills best.
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emainvol said:
You ran out of all of the really awful arguments, so now we are back to the beginning.
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I should have said what if spider monkeys fly out my nostrils. I meant the same thing.

How is my argument based in absolute fact over a long period of time terrible, but your abstract argument is fact?
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HendersonVol said:
Yeah, I don't think strength of schedule is going to get you anywhere. Especially conference.

Like I said, pearls worst coaching job is only slightly better than one of O'Neills best.
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Really? Because the SEC was just barely in front of the Pac 10 in the conference RPI.
 
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HendersonVol said:
I should have said what if spider monkeys fly out my nostrils. I meant the same thing.

How is my argument based in absolute fact over a long period of time terrible, but your abstract argument is fact?
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Oh for the love of Christ, do I really need to say "context" again?

Nah man, everything's black and white. I would hate to make anything too complex for you by actually taking circumstances into consideration.
 
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emainvol said:
Oh for the love of Christ, do I really need to say "context" again?

Nah man, everything's black and white. I would hate to make anything too complex for you by actually taking circumstances into consideration.
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I could buy this argument for 3-4 years of circumstances. I have a hard time buying that he's been in a bad position for 14 years.
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HendersonVol said:
That's 3 years. Account for the other 11.
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Fine: Marquette improved every year from his second onward. Doug Dickey absolutely hated basketball and O'Neill got no help, but still managed to improve a garbage squad enough to go to an NIT and leave Jerry Green in a position that even he couldn't screw up leading to 4 straight years in the tourney and a Sweet 16. We have agreed to throw Northwestern out, so then KO was given a job in the NBA. Upon his return to college ball, he took over a fairly young Arizona team that had lost it's coach a week before the season, installed his system and took them to the tournament. After being completely dicked over for the second time (third if you count his stint with the Raptors, and who can blame him for questioning the organizations commitment to winning?) he takes over a USC team that has been ravaged by the 'AA, has a decent first year considering and then takes what amounts to a seven man team to the AAs. That cover it?
 
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If you ask me, there seem to be a few common threads in O'Neill's career. Getting absolutely screwed over by ADs, front offices and boosters, the ability to continue to get work, and improvement on his squads (even to the point that Jerry Green couldn't **** it up)
 
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bamacheats said:
They fall back on his 90s record. In the end, all you O'neill supporters are sounding like gibbs defending Fulmer.
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Fine. O'Neill sucks.

How is it that he never seems to have trouble finding a high profile job? Are NBA GMs and PAC 10 athletic directors hiring him because of his winning personality and easy manner in fitting into an organizational structure?

That has not ever been the situation with Green or Fulmer. I doubt you will see Arizona or USC offering Pearl anytime soon, either. If he's so awful, what gives?
 
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cotton said:
Fine. O'Neill sucks.

How is it that he never seems to have trouble finding a high profile job? Are NBA GMs and PAC 10 athletic directors hiring him because of his winning personality and easy manner in fitting into an organizational structure?

That has not ever been the situation with Green or Fulmer. I doubt you will see Arizona or USC offering Pearl anytime soon, either. If he's so awful, what gives?
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I guess he gives a mean HJ.
 
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emainvol said:
Fine: Marquette improved every year from his second onward. Doug Dickey absolutely hated basketball and O'Neill got no help, but still managed to improve a garbage squad enough to go to an NIT and leave Jerry Green in a position that even he couldn't screw up leading to 4 straight years in the tourney and a Sweet 16. We have agreed to throw Northwestern out, so then KO was given a job in the NBA. Upon his return to college ball, he took over a fairly young Arizona team that had lost it's coach a week before the season, installed his system and took them to the tournament. After being completely dicked over for the second time (third if you count his stint with the Raptors, and who can blame him for questioning the organizations commitment to winning?) he takes over a USC team that has been ravaged by the 'AA, has a decent first year considering and then takes what amounts to a seven man team to the AAs. That cover it?
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So pretty much he has been screwed time and time again, was a great coach that had to settle for a pathetic Northwestern job, couldn't do anything by his third year at TN, and this great coach has just had the misfortune of getting bad situations time and time again. Did I sum it up?
 
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tvols75 said:
So pretty much he has been screwed time and time again, was a great coach that had to settle for a pathetic Northwestern job, couldn't do anything by his third year at TN, and this great coach has just had the misfortune of getting bad situations time and time again. Did I sum it up?
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If that's what you took from that, then I don't know how to help you. You care to argue that Arizona didn't screw him over? How about that he didn't improve Marquette? That he didn't improve Tennessee's situation? How about USC?
 
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tvols75 said:
So pretty much he has been screwed time and time again, was a great coach that had to settle for a pathetic Northwestern job, couldn't do anything by his third year at TN, and this great coach has just had the misfortune of getting bad situations time and time again. Did I sum it up?
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He settled for the pathetic Northwestern job over the pathetic UT job he held. What does that tell you about the situation?
 
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cotton said:
Fine. O'Neill sucks.

How is it that he never seems to have trouble finding a high profile job? Are NBA GMs and PAC 10 athletic directors hiring him because of his winning personality and easy manner in fitting into an organizational structure?

That has not ever been the situation with Green or Fulmer. I doubt you will see Arizona or USC offering Pearl anytime soon, either. If he's so awful, what gives?
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You mean one of the worst NBA general managers?

And a USC AD that was desperate to get a coach in when no one wanted to touch the job. I doubt you want to use the Arizona AD as an example of wanting O'Neill.
 
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emainvol said:
Fine: Marquette improved every year from his second onward. Doug Dickey absolutely hated basketball and O'Neill got no help, but still managed to improve a garbage squad enough to go to an NIT and leave Jerry Green in a position that even he couldn't screw up leading to 4 straight years in the tourney and a Sweet 16. We have agreed to throw Northwestern out, so then KO was given a job in the NBA. Upon his return to college ball, he took over a fairly young Arizona team that had lost it's coach a week before the season, installed his system and took them to the tournament. After being completely dicked over for the second time (third if you count his stint with the Raptors, and who can blame him for questioning the organizations commitment to winning?) he takes over a USC team that has been ravaged by the 'AA, has a decent first year considering and then takes what amounts to a seven man team to the AAs. That cover it?
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Yes that is how you rationalize it. Is it complete BS? Yes.

Let's take a look at it this way. His third year at TN was no better than his first. His 3rd year at northwestern was a disaster. He hasn't been able to stick on for 3 years anywhere else other than a decent run at Marquette approximately 20 years ago.
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