Bruce Pearl is a better basketball coach than Kevin O'Neill

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cotton said:
I dispute it. I would like to see your evidence. You seem to confuse "reality" with "unfounded personal opinion invented to reinforce a hopeless argument."
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Still waiting for your evidence. Why are you dodging the subject? Where's the evidence that Kevin is a good coach?

Unfortunately for you, most everyone outside of Knoxville agrees with my "unfounded personal opinion invented to reinforce a hopeless argument."

Hate that for you buddy, but you and hat are rowing an empty boat. Kevin is a career loser at every step. Hard to believe he's still living off of one fluke year at MU.
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#677
#677
Yeah, that's why he's been able to land so many jobs, including the NBA. It's because he is such a bad coach and a loser. Great logic.
 
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BasketvolsFan said:
Yeah, that's why he's been able to land so many jobs, including the NBA. It's because he is such a bad coach and a loser. Great logic.
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Great logic indeed. Name me some other great coaches who've had 10 jobs in 20 years.
Great coaches get to stick around, not run out of Arizona to the hood in south central.
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bamacheats said:
Great logic indeed. Name me some other great coaches who've had 10 jobs in 20 years.
Great coaches get to stick around, not run out of Arizona to the hood in south central.
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A lot of people around here thought that Kiffin was pretty good when he left to take his 4th job in 5 years - and we have the charred mattresses to prove it.
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#680
Still refusing to understand vocabulary. Pathetic. If you're not going to argue the actual ability to coach, just shut up. You have no ground on which to stand, yet you keep arguing like you have legitimate information. All you have is O'Neill's Wikipedia and a lack of knowledge.
 
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BasketvolsFan said:
Yeah, that's why he's been able to land so many jobs, including the NBA. It's because he is such a bad coach and a loser. Great logic.
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O'Neil is a better Xs and Os coach than Bruce. I don't think there is any question about it; however, Bruce is probably much better at doing ALL the things required of a head coach in order to be successful. I don't think there is any question about that either.
 
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shortgameVol said:
You're 100% wrong on that one, Hat. I know for a fact it had everything to do with Smith's father having his hand out expecting extra benefits. Pearl didn't play along. Smith still wanted to come to UT. The deal with the booster from Franklin, TN fell through the minute Pearl got the job.

I realize you don't care for Pearl and have your reasons for it, but don't ever pretend you could ever be objective about anything concerning Pearl.
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Maybe you're right, but it doesn't seem like Pearl is the one to be a clean recruiter.
 
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crusse10 said:
Still refusing to understand vocabulary. Pathetic. If you're not going to argue the actual ability to coach, just shut up. You have no ground on which to stand, yet you keep arguing like you have legitimate information. All you have is O'Neill's Wikipedia and a lack of knowledge.
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Please post some knowledge.
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Not one single Kevin supporter has posted a single shred of actual evidence that he's a good coach.

He keeps getting jobs? That's downright idiotic. According to that criteria Buzz is a great coach.
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bamacheats said:
Please post some knowledge.
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That's directed squarely at the original poster. He continuously argues the point "Bruce Pearl is a more successful basketball coach than Kevin O'Neill," not the claim made in the title of the thread. Nobody argues who has a more impressive record. People are arguing who the better tactician is, yet nobody on the Pearl side seems to want to join in that debate.
 
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tvolsfan said:
Maybe you're right, but it doesn't seem like Pearl is the one to be a clean recruiter.
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There has never been any reports of Bruce arranging illegal cash benefits to recruits.

It's not maybe, it's 100% right. Billy Smith had his hand out. It's not like it is a big secret either
 
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crusse10 said:
That's directed squarely at the original poster. He continuously argues the point "Bruce Pearl is a more successful basketball coach than Kevin O'Neill," not the claim made in the title of the thread. Nobody argues who has a more impressive record. People are arguing who the better tactician is, yet nobody on the Pearl side seems to want to join in that debate.
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I think Kevin wins the basketball knowledge debate, but he hasn't had any success as a head coach, can't argue that.
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shortgameVol said:
There has never been any reports of Bruce arranging illegal cash benefits to recruits.

It's not maybe, it's 100% right. Billy Smith had his hand out. It's not like it is a big secret either
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I wonder what Kiffin did/Dooley has been doing. A few football players live close to me and they all have new nice cars...I know some people just have the money for new cars, but I'm suspicious since all of them are brand new and they're all some kind of Chrysler make (mostly Dodges).
 
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bamacheats said:
Still waiting for your evidence. Why are you dodging the subject? Where's the evidence that Kevin is a good coach?

Unfortunately for you, most everyone outside of Knoxville agrees with my "unfounded personal opinion invented to reinforce a hopeless argument."

Hate that for you buddy, but you and hat are rowing an empty boat. Kevin is a career loser at every step. Hard to believe he's still living off of one fluke year at MU.
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Evidence of what, that he was offered the Arizona job?

Also, I don't ever recall calling O'Neill a great coach. I do think he is massively underrated by a lot of people on this board, including you. The topic was comparing Kevin to Bruce, and then to Green. I think I expressed my evidence of that in posts 548 before even getting into the long list of big jobs he has been offered by people who seem to agree with me.
 
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#690
Why can't this die? Because somebody has to have the last word? It's obvious KO is a good teacher and better at x's and o's, but coaches are judged on W's, period. If coach K was a .500 coach, he wouldn't be going into the HOF, though he is a great teacher as well. Let it go guys. This argument is stale and repetitive.
 
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crusse10 said:
Still refusing to understand vocabulary. Pathetic. If you're not going to argue the actual ability to coach, just shut up. You have no ground on which to stand, yet you keep arguing like you have legitimate information. All you have is O'Neill's Wikipedia and a lack of knowledge.
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Shut up? Do you talk a loud when typing? Odd... I agree though o'neill isn't a great coach, but that is some serious grumping you got going on.
 
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shortgameVol said:
O'Neil is a better Xs and Os coach than Bruce. I don't think there is any question about it; however, Bruce is probably much better at doing ALL the things required of a head coach in order to be successful. I don't think there is any question about that either.
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Xs and Os, plus making players do what is required to win. Rare is the "players coach" that demands the hard stuff and extra miles.
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crusse10 said:
That's directed squarely at the original poster. He continuously argues the point "Bruce Pearl is a more successful basketball coach than Kevin O'Neill," not the claim made in the title of the thread. Nobody argues who has a more impressive record. People are arguing who the better tactician is, yet nobody on the Pearl side seems to want to join in that debate.
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Winning, IMO, is better than losing. Just my opinion though. Feel free to take perceived technical excellence that produces .500 season after .500 season.

My idea is concrete. Your tactician argument is the flaccid one. Are his players in the right places? Maybe. Do they hustle? Maybe. Do they lose games? Yes.
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If we were giving a multiple choice test on perceived basketball expertise, O'Neill may win. Maybe not.

If were going to compare actual coaching ability, there is no argument for O'Neill.
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BigPapaVol said:
Xs and Os, plus making players do what is required to win. Rare is the "players coach" that demands the hard stuff and extra miles.
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Apparently he hasn't done that considering in his professional career he has more losses than wins. So how again has he made players do that?
 
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#698
To sum up this entire thread.


Kevin O'Neil: Is a great coach that has been screwed over at every job.

Bruce Pearl: Is the luckiest coach in the world that walked into perfect situations at UWM and UT.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Xs and Os, plus making players do what is required to win. Rare is the "players coach" that demands the hard stuff and extra miles.
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It looks like Kev is hitting a .500 clip at making players do what is required to win.
 
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tvols75 said:
Apparently he hasn't done that considering in his professional career he has more losses than wins. So how again has he made players do that?
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Because he has always had crappy players because he has always inherited crappy programs because obviously that's the jobs that great coaches want and get.
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