Bush commutes sentences for 2 Border guards

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therealUT said:
Yes.

Police officers should use their firearms to protect themselves and protect the public from immediate harm. An unarmed, small time crook is not posing an imminent danger to anyone.
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My sympathy, as well as a great many others, wanes a great deal when you are on US soil illegally to begin with.
 
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hndog609 said:
My sympathy, as well as a great many others, wanes a great deal when you are on US soil illegally to begin with.
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An offense you obviously feel is worthy of the death penalty. How enlightened of you...

Obviously these two border guards knew what they did was not ethically sound. That is more than apparent by the fact that they tried to cover it up.
 
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The criminal was smuggling drugs into the USA. He got what he deserved.

I think it should be open season on those smuggling narcotics into our nation.

Bush should have pardoned them, and they should be guests of honor at Obama's inauguration.
 
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therealUT said:
You are avoiding the principle focus of my point and doing so in a very weak manner.
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I'm not avoiding your point. I do, however, think you're glossing over the fact that this drug dealer is more than just a petty criminal.
 
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MG1968 said:
I'm not avoiding your point. I do, however, think you're glossing over the fact that this drug dealer is more than just a petty criminal.
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Fine. Let's pretend (since you have provided no evidence that he did nothing more than deal in the marijuana trade...which, to me, definitely says small time) he was at the top of the largest narcotics cartel in history. He was unarmed and was causing no immediate threat to either the Border Guards or the public at large.

You, however, are glossing over the fact that these border patrol agents shot him in the back as he was fleeing. He was unarmed.
 
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SavageOrangeJug said:
The criminal was smuggling drugs into the USA. He got what he deserved.

I think it should be open season on those smuggling narcotics into our nation.

Bush should have pardoned them, and they should be guests of honor at Obama's inauguration.
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Why?

Due process is there for a reason.
 
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therealUT said:
Fine. Let's pretend (since you have provided no evidence that he did nothing more than deal in the marijuana trade...which, to me, definitely says small time) he was at the top of the largest narcotics cartel in history. He was unarmed and was causing no immediate threat to either the Border Guards or the public at large.

You, however, are glossing over the fact that these border patrol agents shot him in the back as he was fleeing. He was unarmed.
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Pablo Escobar...... he held a country hostage...
 
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therealUT said:
An offense you obviously feel is worthy of the death penalty. How enlightened of you...

Obviously these two border guards knew what they did was not ethically sound. That is more than apparent by the fact that they tried to cover it up.
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Who died?

340 kilos of marijuana goes it bit past "petty" don't you think?

I have no issues whatever with them being punished for any kind of cover up. I also think time served works fine for me in that regard?

I'm a civil guy, check my posts, I'd appreciate your sarcasm be saved for others that want to throw that crap at you first.
 
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They caught the guy smuggling 340 kilos in. They shot him.

You catch this same guy selling a bag of that weed to your teenager. Your response is........
 
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OrangeEmpire said:
Not take the law into your own hands.

There is a reason for laws...
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A slight tangent here but I'm curious. To what extent do you believe that our Constitutional rights and general legal protections extend to those on US soil in willfull disregard for our sovereignty?
 
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SavageOrangeJug said:
Fine! I catch him selling my kid the weed. They can prosecute me to the fullest extent of the law after I'm done with him.

Let's see if the jury will convict.
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Why take the law into your own hands?

Do you promote vigilantism?

Of course the jury would convict you....
 
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therealUT said:
Fine. Let's pretend (since you have provided no evidence that he did nothing more than deal in the marijuana trade...which, to me, definitely says small time) he was at the top of the largest narcotics cartel in history. He was unarmed and was causing no immediate threat to either the Border Guards or the public at large.

You, however, are glossing over the fact that these border patrol agents shot him in the back as he was fleeing. He was unarmed.
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it doesn't bother you that the drug smuggler was given full immunity for his testimony against Ramos and Compean? And that the prosecutor in the case kept the fact that Osvaldo Aldrete-Davila was a multiple offender a secret from the jury?

AMW.com | "Victim" In Border Agent Case Convicted of Drug Smuggling - Feature Jailed Border Agents to Remain In Prison - Feature
 
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MG1968 said:
it doesn't bother you that the drug smuggler was given full immunity for his testimony against Ramos and Compean? And that the prosecutor in the case kept the fact that Osvaldo Aldrete-Davila was a multiple offender a secret from the jury?

AMW.com | "Victim" In Border Agent Case Convicted of Drug Smuggling - Feature Jailed Border Agents to Remain In Prison - Feature
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This is not uncommon, he was given full immunity because he found reliable with information against the drug cartels.

This is about the overall picture of our problems in the south west.
 
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SavageOrangeJug said:
I speak from personal experience. The law isn't always ready to help. Sometimes you have to protect your family at your own risk.
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Not saying there is not a time and a place.

All I am saying is that it is irresponsible to kill someone for simply being in our country even if they are peddling drugs.

If that were the case, we would be kiling our own population and to what end?
 
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