Bush commutes sentences for 2 Border guards

He did not fight back, he was running and was shot in the back. And the real police wont shoot someone for fighting them. They will take them down with batons and fist or taser them. Real police usually only use deadly force when their life is in danger. This isnt North Korea. We cant just go around killing unarmed men playing judge, jury and executioner.
 
He did not fight back, he was running and was shot in the back. And the real police wont shoot someone for fighting them. They will take them down with batons and fist or taser them. Real police usually only use deadly force when their life is in danger. This isnt North Korea. We cant just go around killing unarmed men playing judge, jury and executioner.

If I remember correctly he did scuffle with these officers.

I was only stating that there was really no harm done in this particular situation. I certainly would not want this kind of thing to continue or become policy.

I understand what you are saying and agree with a good portion of it. There are some differences though in the comparison you made police officers.
 
As I understand it he was a drug smuggler. Had this been the average immigrant just trying to make a better life here it would be a different story. Turns out he was a threat to America and was shot because he fought back while being arrested.

I'm sure there are all manner of details left out of this but I selected this specifically due to it being concise:

On February 17, 2005, Ramos and Compean were patrolling the border town of Fabens, Texas, when a Mexican illegal alien and drug smuggler, attempted to secret nearly 800 pounds of marijuana into the United States in his van. Agent Compean chased Osbaldo Aldrete-Davila by vehicle and on foot, ordering him to stop. Compean says Aldrete-Davila ignored him, pushed him down, and assaulted him, whereupon the agent called for backup, drawing seven additional units, including Ramos. When he arrived on the scene, he heard gunfire, saw Compean bleeding on the ground, and the fugitive – still refusing to stop as commanded – stealing furtive glances over his shoulder while holding something shiny he believed to be a handgun. Both state they felt threatened, and both fired rounds in the alien’s direction, Ramos striking him in the buttocks. The alien got away, but the two men had jeopardized their own well-being to keep his noxious contraband off our streets.

Returning to Mexico, Aldrete-Davila related his misfortunes to his mother, who contacted the mother-in-law of Border Patrol agent Rene Sanchez. Sanchez in turn tipped off a member of the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, who went to Mexico to offer immunity if Osbaldo would act as a state’s witness against Ramos and Compean: the feds wanted to prosecute the agents shooting the alien narcotics supplier.

To sweeten the immunity deal, the feds paid for Osbaldo Aldrete-Davila’s medical treatment of his ailing backside – a taxpayer-funded recuperation at William Beaumont Army Medical Center in El Paso, Texas. He showed his gratitude by breaking his immunity agreement in October 2005, when officers say he attempted to smuggle 1,000 pounds of marijuana into America. The prosecution further extended its immunity to this felony and sealed the indictment from jurors. Aldrete-Davila repaid this new shower of grace by suing the federal government for $5 million, alleging the shooting violated his civil rights. However, he agreed to help in their criminal prosecution, as well, and the feds are apparently happy to collaborate with the pusher as long as he helped put effective lawmen behind bars.

While I do have issues with the idea of "Well, we could just execute their sorry asses." if you are committing a major crime and aren't even a citizen here your "civil rights" pretty much start and end with "You're lucky we just don't execute your ass.".
 
From the grammatical errors, as well as your lack of citation, I am going to assume you pulled that "report" from a blog.

Meanwhile, the description given by the Prosecuting Attorney was this:
Sutton said that during the two-and-a-half-week trial, evidence showed that around 1 p.m. on Feb. 17, 2005, Davila initially ran from the agents, but tried to surrender with his empty hands raised after Compean pointed a shotgun at him. When Compean tried to push Davila to the ground with his gun, the agent tripped and fell. Davila then ran toward the Rio Grande River and Mexico. Compean chased Davila, firing at him with his pistol 14 times, pausing once to reload, Sutton said. Ramos shot once and struck Davila in the buttocks.

FOXNews.com - 2 Border Patrol Agents Turn Themselves in for Shooting Mexican Drug Runner - Local News | News Articles | National News | US News
 
From the grammatical errors, as well as your lack of citation, I am going to assume you pulled that "report" from a blog.

Meanwhile, the description given by the Prosecuting Attorney was this:

Actually what I cited was basically a "their side" and you pretty much cited the "other side". The really frustrating thing about all of this is that, and it is hardly limited to this particular case, the truth is almost always somewhere in the middle. You simply aren't going to get anything from either "side" that isn't going to be skewed. The border guards weren't acting on orders directly from God and the dude that got shot wasn't actually trying to get the pot into the country to help kittens with cancer but you listen to some people on the fringes of the argument and that's what you get.
 
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I am glad to know that you feel it is perfectly acceptable to shoot people, as long as the majority of the country does not agree with that person's lifestyle choices.

When life style choices involve breaking the law, a subject sets himself up as a possible target, especially if he (or she) doesn't follow the commands of an arresting officer, that's why they furnish firearms to law enforcement agencies.

What would you like, to be like England where the Bobbies have a whistle and baton??

Here is what border patrol agents face: (Dec 17, 2008.)

Early this month U.S. Border Patrol agents from the Tucson, Ariz. sector and agents of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement were again fired upon with what appeared to be military type automatic weapons by Mexican drug smugglers dressed in military garb.

An official close to the investigation tells the Laguna Journal that agents did not return fire when they were fired upon. Later an agent who wants to remain anonymous says many Border Patrol agents are fearful of losing there job or worse being arrested should they return fire particularly since the Ramos and Compean case. “These men are still in prison for doing what many of us think was just doing their jobs as Border Patrol Agents.

San Diego Chief Patrol Agent Michael J. Fisher commented, “This significant drug seizure exemplifies smugglers’ disregard for our laws and the safety of the general public.

The mostly uninformed U.S. public about the escalating levels of military incursions into the U.S. and the violence associated with warring Mexican drug cartels in Mexico and along our border is alarming.


He did not fight back, he was running and was shot in the back. And the real police wont shoot someone for fighting them. They will take them down with batons and fist or taser them. Real police usually only use deadly force when their life is in danger. This isnt North Korea. We cant just go around killing unarmed men playing judge, jury and executioner.

You don't get out of the house much, do you??

Actually if they had killed the smugglers and left them laying, they probably would not have ended up in jail.

I'm sure there are all manner of details left out of this but I selected this specifically due to it being concise:

On February 17, 2005, Ramos and Compean were patrolling the border town of Fabens, Texas, when a Mexican illegal alien and drug smuggler, attempted to secret nearly 800 pounds of marijuana into the United States in his van. Agent Compean chased Osbaldo Aldrete-Davila by vehicle and on foot, ordering him to stop. Compean says Aldrete-Davila ignored him, pushed him down, and assaulted him, whereupon the agent called for backup, drawing seven additional units, including Ramos. When he arrived on the scene, he heard gunfire, saw Compean bleeding on the ground, and the fugitive – still refusing to stop as commanded – stealing furtive glances over his shoulder while holding something shiny he believed to be a handgun. Both state they felt threatened, and both fired rounds in the alien’s direction, Ramos striking him in the buttocks. The alien got away, but the two men had jeopardized their own well-being to keep his noxious contraband off our streets.

Returning to Mexico, Aldrete-Davila related his misfortunes to his mother, who contacted the mother-in-law of Border Patrol agent Rene Sanchez. Sanchez in turn tipped off a member of the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, who went to Mexico to offer immunity if Osbaldo would act as a state’s witness against Ramos and Compean: the feds wanted to prosecute the agents shooting the alien narcotics supplier.

To sweeten the immunity deal, the feds paid for Osbaldo Aldrete-Davila’s medical treatment of his ailing backside – a taxpayer-funded recuperation at William Beaumont Army Medical Center in El Paso, Texas. He showed his gratitude by breaking his immunity agreement in October 2005, when officers say he attempted to smuggle 1,000 pounds of marijuana into America. The prosecution further extended its immunity to this felony and sealed the indictment from jurors. Aldrete-Davila repaid this new shower of grace by suing the federal government for $5 million, alleging the shooting violated his civil rights. However, he agreed to help in their criminal prosecution, as well, and the feds are apparently happy to collaborate with the pusher as long as he helped put effective lawmen behind bars.

While I do have issues with the idea of "Well, we could just execute their sorry asses." if you are committing a major crime and aren't even a citizen here your "civil rights" pretty much start and end with "You're lucky we just don't execute your ass.".

(Reply to follow)
 
I'm surprised no one complained that your post was too long.

Your article makes me wonder if Rene Sanchez is involved in drug smuggling herself!!

Here is a related article: (November 16, 2008)

Friends Of The Border Patrol Report offers Change #1 to newly elected administration and Congress

Chino, CA – Friends of the Border Patrol has released a report uncovering corruption and security compromises within the government titled “Unjustifiable and Impeachable: The FOBP Report on DHS, DOJ, and the Courts. Andy Ramirez has authored this report with a section featuring 50 Exhibits documenting compromises, corruption and unconscionable incidents that go back 15 years in some cases.

The report contains two volumes, with Volume I authored by Andy Ramirez, and Volume II written by Attorney John Cavicchi, which primarily addresses the court system.

A highly experienced team of legal counsel and retired senior federal law enforcement agents has reviewed and cleared this report. As you will read in the Foreword, authored by Sandalio Gonzalez, retired Special Agent in Charge, Drug Enforcement Administration, this “must read” report reveals corruption the likes of which were unknown by many federal agents.

Section 1 discusses the Department of Homeland Security. You will learn how the White House sabotaged DHS internally during the creation of the department, and how Congress has failed to hold them accountable.

Unqualified cronies were placed in control of agencies with critical responsibilities. Identified are a number of compromises in national security in key ports of entry and along America’s borders, which have allowed narcotic and human traffickers to control the borders.

Some incidents involving explosives and armaments improperly processed and cleared through our ports of entry are discussed. Our federal law enforcement officers have been obstructed by policies benefiting those being given unequal and unfair trade and economic advantages. These same senior executive service managers have received lavish rewards for advancing the Bush Administration’s policies as stated in the release announcing award winners by the Office of Personnel Management.

Some exhibits identify a well-known sex ring operating within Customs and Border Protection. The Miami Herald reported a number of stories going back over 10 years and instead of thoroughly investigating and firing the participants, Commissioner Ray Kelly’s idea of discipline was to merely transfer the individuals named.

Today, these same managers now run the Office of Field Operations and serve in many key positions. The practice called “screw up move up” takes place by utilizing sexual favors with fellow employees to work up the chain of command, and also by violating policies and laws, an employee can screw up, not be charged or fired, and move up the chain of command at a later time.

In fact, a CBP Customs Officer named one of the highest-ranking CBP officials in a suit filed in a Miami, Florida, which we present in full. This individual was previously named in the Miami Herald articles mentioned previously, and this unethical behavior is a practice that goes on to this day, as you will learn.

You will also learn how the agents protecting America have been stripped of protections that should guarantee due process. Instead, they face a deck stacked against them, with trumped up charges, and reprisals for reporting security compromises to Congress, covered up by bogus investigations by the Office of Special Counsel, Internal Affairs, and Inspector General to name a few.



Section 2 titled, The Justice Department: Corrupt, Overzealous, and Out of Control goes where Congress left off after their July 17 and July 31, 2007 hearings.

Congress looked on the surface of the prosecutions of former Border Patrol Agents Ramos and Compean by U.S. Attorney Johnny Sutton. But that is where they started and stopped, the mere surface.

The case was the lid to Pandora’s Box and Congress failed to not only go further into the case, but they completely failed to examine a number of prosecutions by DOJ and Sutton.

Such cases included the better-known cases against David Sipe, Stephanie Mohr, Robert Rhodes, Gilmer Hernandez, Gary Brugman, and the case against former FBI Special Agent in Charge Hardrick Crawford.

In addressing those cases, it was clear-cut that these cases were influenced by foreign government insistence while our own government caved in to pressure.

The Rhodes case is fully documented and names former DHS Secretary Tom Ridge as well as former Secretary of State Colin Powell as the leading administration figures who failed to follow due process.

Just as importantly, it asks questions about the prosecutions that everyone, including the Congress and media has failed to ask of DHS, DOJ, and the State Department.

It shows Johnny Sutton to be nothing more than a lackey and a propagandist when you consider the very things he accuses his victims of, he has done or allowed to happen himself in the infamous “House of Death” murder case, which took place with the knowledge of the most senior administration officials.

The playbook used by DOJ in their pattern of bad prosecutions against law enforcement officers is revealed fully.

Section 3 addresses the court system, and is really an introduction to Volume II by Mr. Cavicchi, which addresses how the courts have allowed suborning of perjury, falsification and/or suppression of evidence by the government, and how in fact they have failed to adjudicate and interpret the laws with impartiality.

The courts have gone so far as to ignore Supreme Court rulings, and upheld sham discrimination and retaliation defenses on appeal as well as overzealous prosecutions.

Their results show policy being upheld in these weak cases. Mr. Cavicchi addresses, after his statement, a plethora of evidence showing specifically what the courts have failed to address regardless of the inappropriate conduct and practices of the appellate and district courts and federal agencies.

It is staggering to consider how far the concept of blind justice is from reality.

Surely, this is not what the Framers and Thomas Jefferson had in mind, which you will see with statements of his that are included in the Cavicchi Report.

Our recommendations show a proactive, pragmatic approach of how to fix the problem, which the only way to do so is by appointment of a special prosecutor and an independent investigation.

The agencies’ own internal investigations have long resulted in cover-ups and promotions for their fellow cronies. As our report demonstrates, they cannot be trusted to police themselves and for some unknown reason, Congress does not seem to want to do it for them.

However, with the new Obama Administration now being put together here is Change # 1. Fix the problems we’ve identified first. We the people have a right to know who is compromised and the right to object to cronies. Keep your promise of change and new blood. We call on the Senate to put an end to the automatic passes for nominated appointees. They must be heavily scrutinized after the last eight years of the Bush Administration’s taking advantage of the blank check so we never again see the type of incompetence and internal corruption we’ve seen.

Our appreciation to those law enforcement officers, primarily whistleblowers, who continue to abide by their oaths to defend and protect the Constitution, and our citizens, and to our Veterans being honored today for their sacrifices given during each war.

To read our 'The report' contains two volumes, with Volume I authored by Andy Ramirez, and Volume II written by Attorney John Cavicchi, which primarily addresses the court system.

The reports and exhibits have been published on this site..

If anyone is interested in reading the reports and exhibits, pm me and I will pm you back the link to them in pdf form.
 

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