Bush is just such a buffoon

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#201
jkell24 said:
What about the unborn baby, does it have rights?
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Exactly. We have all kinds of rights to protect dogs for example because they don't have a voice and are innocent creatures.

So why shouldn't there be laws protecting a living being?

Wouldn't everyone agree a living being that is forming into a human is much more valuable to society than a dog?

However I can't go out in the back yard and shoot my dog but a woman can terminate a living being because we can't tell her what to do?
 
#202
#202
KB5252 said:
Many responsible young women who get pregnant at a young age or who simply can't afford to raise a baby find good people to adopt their babies. That is the most responsible thing I could think of doing in a situation like that. You are making both the babies life better as well as the adopting person/persons.
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I am not against adoption as an alternative and think it's a wonderful thing for an adult couple to take in a child and love it/raise it as their own.

What I am against is the gov't making laws that direct citizens in what they can and can't do with their own bodies. Every person has the ability to decide what's right for them.
 
#203
#203
utvolpj said:
Maybe not for you or them but who are we to make these laws that others must follow? "Please exercise "personal responsibility" up to a certain point but after that the gov't will decide what's best for you." What kind of crap idea is that? Someone having an abortion has absolutely no bearing or consequence on anyone else's life but their own. As long as they are not infringing on my rights as a US citizen I see no issue with them being allowed to make a stupid decision.
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Life Liberty and the PURSUIT of happiness. If you are aborted then you you have been denied that right.
 
#204
#204
This is a tough one to argue.........

I guess we have to decide if we live in a free society.......

On a personal level I cannot justify ending a life at any point......

Tough call....
 
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#206
utvolpj said:
I am not against adoption as an alternative and think it's a wonderful thing for an adult couple to take in a child and love it/raise it as their own.

What I am against is the gov't making laws that direct citizens in what they can and can't do with their own bodies. Every person has the ability to decide what's right for them.
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There are laws against prostitution. There are laws against having sex with a goat for example. My point is we have laws that restrict what people can do for a number of reasons.
 
#207
#207
And just because you want or feel you need to do something does not make it a right protected under the constitution.
 
#208
#208
OrangeEmpire said:
This is a tough one to argue.........

I guess we have to decide if we live in a free society.......

On a personal level I cannot justify ending a life at any point......

Tough call....
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You can't legislate morality......pure and simple.

If my family was legitimately threatened I could end a life with a clear conscience.
 
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#209
KB5252 said:
There are laws against prostitution. There are laws against having sex with a goat for example. My point is we have laws that restrict what people can do for a number of reasons.
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Should those things be legal in a free society?

:dunno:
 
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#216
utvolpj said:
no other option would have been any better. You could have Gore or Kerry. For all his faults I'll still take W over either (and over either dim running now)
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the fact you voted for him twice says something about you as well. The fact you would vote for him a third time speaks volumes of your intelligence. YOu are solid proof that no matter how much you try to educate people, some will never get it

Gore or Kerry might not have done too well, but both were better choices than W the Dumbo
 
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#218
utvolpj said:
again, that completely depends on when you recognize life.
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Let me ask you this. How do we most commonly determine death? Usually death is pronounced when the heart stops beating. Then by that same logic shouldn't life be determined when there is a heartbeat? That is beside the point anyway. No matter when you recognize life there is the potential for life from conception on and that too needs to be protected IMO.
 
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#220
truefan said:
the fact you voted for him twice says something about you as well. The fact you would vote for him a third time speaks volumes of your intelligence. YOu are solid proof that no matter how much you try to educate people, some will never get it

Gore or Kerry might not have done too well, but both were better choices than W the Dumbo
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No way possible, the government would be larger than it is right now and that is something that we should all be worried about.
 
#221
#221
Lexvol said:
Correct with my unborn baby ....at any point or your unborn baby....at any point.

I simply can't tell my neighbor what to do with her unborn baby at any point.
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Then lets follow that logic. It should be none of your business what that person does at any point with a child.
 
#223
#223
TXVOL07 said:
I think we are in Iraq for the long haul, but I agree with the other side of the coin. It is horible that so many have lost their lives over there, however, it is a duty they accepted. Unfortunately, we are facing the conclusion that a US military prescence in Iraq will be needed to maintain some form of stability. I find it hard to believe that Obama or that other dude that's running for the Dems can: A. have the sack to stick it out and protect our intrest over there, or B. have the brains to realize it's value.


As gas goes up, Dems use it as a ralley cry. If, and Lord help us, IF, one of those dipsticks gets elected, Gas prices go down, troops leave Iraq, economy is fixed short term, new terrorist attack on American Soil. It is a sad equation, and many will disagree, however I feel that without a military influence in the Mid East, this country runs the risk of another attack. And furthermore, those to crayon chewers arent fit to run a pencil sharpener, much less MY U.S.A.
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Stupid/uninformed post on a number of levels
 
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#224
KB5252 said:
Then lets follow that logic. It should be none of your business what that person does at any point with a child.
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Careful........

No matter what you believe you have to define when life starts.

After that, it is all a cakewalk because obviously you cannot abuse or nelgect a child.
 
#225
#225
The argument is made often that you cannot legislate morality but we do it every day. This country was based on morals and so were its laws.
 
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