Bush Warns Of 'holocaust' If Iran Gets Nukes

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allvol123 said:
I see. So it seems his plan to protect his nation's sovereignty has gone miserably as well as his plan to stay alive. Seems a lot to risk when you have nothing to hide, but as you say he was protecting his conuntry's soveriegnty. Sounds like you know a great deal about coming up short.
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I've seen enough of your posts to become the expert.

Again, to help you learn a little about history, Saddam managed to stall and evade for 12 years. His tactics were obviously working quite well. Again, he didn't count on GWB making up a story and using Iraq as a scapegoat for 9/11. I guess one would hope a leader of a western nation would not trump up an issue to go to war and overthrow leaders. The same thing he counted on most of the civilized world counts on as well. I guess GWB is the exception to all that is rational.
 
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CSpindizzy said:
I've seen enough of your posts to become the expert.

Again, to help you learn a little about history, Saddam managed to stall and evade for 12 years. His tactics were obviously working quite well. Again, he didn't count on GWB making up a story and using Iraq as a scapegoat for 9/11.
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What he didn't count on was the UN actually getting it's hand forced in a post 9/11 environment.
 
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CSpindizzy said:
I've seen enough of your posts to become the expert.

Again, to help you learn a little about history, Saddam managed to stall and evade for 12 years. His tactics were obviously working quite well. Again, he didn't count on GWB making up a story and using Iraq as a scapegoat for 9/11. I guess one would hope a leader of a western nation would not trump up an issue to go to war and overthrow leaders. The same thing he counted on most of the civilized world counts on as well. I guess GWB is the exception to all that is rational.
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You are surely expert at one thing, but that was already known.

I know you view Saddam as brilliant and all, but anyone could see the invasion was coming if Saddam didn't start cooperating. He was given several warnings. So his tactics did not work too well, so I'll get my history from somone other than you. Seems to me Hussein was not too rational. Give up something I don't have or get obliterated....hmmm...which one should I choose? Looks like he went to CSpinn school of decision making.
 
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SmokeyVol said:
I totally agree with you..... I'm not going to predict the end of time or anything, but things are happening as it is written. The written word may take 2 years to 500 years to be complete who knows, but personally I'm not worried because there's a special place for me when my time comes. :peace2:
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:yes:
 
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Jewbaccah said:
Wow, so what about the bodies of the people in Iraq that were dug up who died from lead poisoning or low grade chemical warfare. How was their national sovereignty protected? I am sorry to all liberals who feel burdened by doing the right thing but we needed a base in the middle east and now we have one. And Iraqis are better for it. Yes, we payed a price and continue to pay it but it is worth it. If you think it is not worth it than you are not seeing the big picture.
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I guess those bodies are worth more than the ones in even greater number in Darfur? I hate to break the news to you but it's not just liberals who have been fed up with this crap.

Before only certain elements of Iraq's population were subject to abuse. Now we see the entire nation subject to bombings and massacres. Seeing how many are dying under the watchful eye of the US government will GWB be prosecuted for those deaths? Nope.

Just how is Iraq worth it? Strange that terrorists are given more training than the so-called training camp we claimed was there. Weapons of all types have now filtered into the hands of those who never had access to them before. Iran now has the ability to test our tactics and weapons and to test their own. Just as Syria and Iran has learned about the IDF's complete failure in Lebanon last year, both are learning how to defeat the US. Al Qaeda still exists and is even surging past the point it was in 9/11/01. I'm not sure how it is worth it when the infrastructure situation in Iraq is either the same or worse than under Saddam, killings are all over the map literally, and terrorism has grown by leaps and bounds. And considering our credibility is shot for invading Iraq for a reason that was false, I'd say we're far short of this being worth it. But by all means tell me how it IS worth it. Explain the big picture.
 
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allvol123 said:
You are surely expert at one thing, but that was already known.

I know you view Saddam as brilliant and all, but anyone could see the invasion was coming if Saddam didn't start cooperating. He was given several warnings. So his tactics did not work too well, so I'll get my history from somone other than you. Seems to me Hussein was not too rational. Give up something I don't have or get obliterated....hmmm...which one should I choose? Looks like he went to CSpinn school of decision making.
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I love how you cannot argue with facts and resort to insults. Please tell me where I said Saddam was brilliant. I didn't. But please continue to invent things.

Wow. Three times explaining something and you still don't get it. And I'd argue that Bush is just as rational. Making it all sound so easy and proclaiming mission accomplished and not having a plan after toppling Saddam. Wow. Over 3700 soldiers died, over 20,000 maimed for life, and tens of thusands of Iraqis dead, wounded, etc. and a few hundred thousand displaced. Amazing. But yet you consider this rational.

Let me go with this one more time....hopefully you'll read this. Saddam was threatened for 12 years and nothing ever happened. Nothing changed except for terrorists attacking WTC. Now why would someone with nothing to do with that think a US President would invent something to invade him when he had nothing to do with 9/11? Again, his situation did not change. If anything, Iraq's situation regressed with less getting in. But you say it would be rational for Saddam to suddenly think that a terrorist attack on the other side of the planet from non-Iraqis would somehow lead to his nation being invaded. Rational? Wow. I hope you never are in a leadership position. I better start building a bunker in the mountains.
 
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CSpindizzy said:
I guess those bodies are worth more than the ones in even greater number in Darfur? I hate to break the news to you but it's not just liberals who have been fed up with this crap.

Before only certain elements of Iraq's population were subject to abuse. Now we see the entire nation subject to bombings and massacres. Seeing how many are dying under the watchful eye of the US government will GWB be prosecuted for those deaths? Nope.

Just how is Iraq worth it? Strange that terrorists are given more training than the so-called training camp we claimed was there. Weapons of all types have now filtered into the hands of those who never had access to them before. Iran now has the ability to test our tactics and weapons and to test their own. Just as Syria and Iran has learned about the IDF's complete failure in Lebanon last year, both are learning how to defeat the US. Al Qaeda still exists and is even surging past the point it was in 9/11/01. I'm not sure how it is worth it when the infrastructure situation in Iraq is either the same or worse than under Saddam, killings are all over the map literally, and terrorism has grown by leaps and bounds. And considering our credibility is shot for invading Iraq for a reason that was false, I'd say we're far short of this being worth it. But by all means tell me how it IS worth it. Explain the big picture.
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He was asking how the mass graves were made, what method of killing, weapons of mass destruction? You avoided answering that one, expertly.
 
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Add to this that Bush is asking for another $50 billion for Iraq. Seeing reports where billions are unaccounted for already and seeing where Iraq's infrastructure is no better, I'd like to have an accounting of where the money has been spent to date. It's worth it....
 
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allvol123 said:
He was asking how the mass graves were made, what method of killing, weapons of mass destruction? You avoided answering that one, expertly.
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Actually he was asking about their sovereignty and NOT how they were made. You avoided READING that one, expertly.
 
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CSpindizzy said:
Let me go with this one more time....hopefully you'll read this. Saddam was threatened for 12 years and nothing ever happened. Nothing changed except for terrorists attacking WTC. Now why would someone with nothing to do with that think a US President would invent something to invade him when he had nothing to do with 9/11? Again, his situation did not change. If anything, Iraq's situation regressed with less getting in. But you say it would be rational for Saddam to suddenly think that a terrorist attack on the other side of the planet from non-Iraqis would somehow lead to his nation being invaded. Rational? Wow. I hope you never are in a leadership position. I better start building a bunker in the mountains.
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I have read it plenty, as usual, no one ever gets your point. Wonder why that is. I could see it coming, along with a few million other people....evidently you, him and a few others could not. It really was not that hard to see coming, was it? You really thought it was that difficult to grasp?
 
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Things will be a lot worse before any one can claim we are near the last days.

I know a lot of people who think 2008 will be a defining moment because of the Bible's reference to a generation will pass.

Keep waiting people, your great, great, great, great grandchildren will not see Christ's return.
 
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allvol123 said:
I have read it plenty, as usual, no one ever gets your point. Wonder why that is. I could see it coming, along with a few million other people....evidently you, him and a few others could not. It really was not that hard to see coming, was it? You really thought it was that difficult to grasp?
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What? No admission about you not reading the post properly? You could see it coming? Everyone else could? Is that why so many publicly commented to the contrary. Are you saying it was war regardless? That is DEFINITELY what the mindset was in the White House. Rummy, is that you?
 
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OrangeEmpire said:
Keep waiting people, your great, great, great, great grandchildren will not see Christ's return.
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Maybe . . . maybe not, but there's no doubt that every generation is just arrogant enough to believe it's going to happen in their lifetime.
 
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arrogant? i'm not arrogant about this topic, and I don't believe jzvol is arrogant about it either. strong word to use for that
 
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allvol123 said:
He was making inference to mass killings, how did those happen?
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That's not what he asked. He asked about their sovereignty. You're asking something that was not in his question. WMD's. So just because he had them in the 80's means he has them in 2003? We know he buried many because the UN required him to. The ones we've found since being there were ones he buried long ago. We had no solid evidence he had a viable program. Even his weapons expert and top ranking official who fled before the war told us he had nothing. But at that point Bush was not going to stop. Even having a top official in the know telling him otherwise, Bush went in with that being the reason.
 
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CSpindizzy said:
What? No admission about you not reading the post properly? You could see it coming? Everyone else could? Is that why so many publicly commented to the contrary. Are you saying it was war regardless? That is DEFINITELY what the mindset was in the White House. Rummy, is that you?
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Yes I could see it. No I am not Rummy, sorry you believe it took an upper echelon governmental official to see it. As I said, most people I knew could see it.
 
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CSpindizzy said:
That's not what he asked. He asked about their sovereignty. You're asking something that was not in his question. WMD's. So just because he had them in the 80's means he has them in 2003? We know he buried many because the UN required him to. The ones we've found since being there were ones he buried long ago. We had no solid evidence he had a viable program. Even his weapons expert and top ranking official who fled before the war told us he had nothing. But at that point Bush was not going to stop. Even having a top official in the know telling him otherwise, Bush went in with that being the reason.
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I thought he was interested in protecting his national soveriegnty, why would he let the UN force him into doing such a thing.
 
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He is using arrogant properly, why would our generation see Christ come?

People have been talking about Christ's return since 34 A.D.
 
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GAVol said:
Maybe . . . maybe not, but there's no doubt that every generation is just arrogant enough to believe it's going to happen in their lifetime.
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Agreed. People really love to tie a great deal of importance to their time here.
 
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