Butch Jones embraces team chaplain Tim Miller

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It's just turtles all the way down.

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Orangedogsrule said:
We easily repeat these tests, over and over.

Now many will start that 13+ billion years vs. 6000+/- years means I can't believe in the bible. Not true. Nowhere in the old or new testaments are the actual age of creation given. Bishop Ussher's margin notes of his calculations (NOT scripture) are from the King James, no earlier. Nor can I believe God 'tricks' us by making an illusion of a much more ancient universe in the night sky. It is as we see and measure it.
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Much of what you posted is good stuff. This part is not. It is not a "repeatable" experiment. The modeling of it is "repeated" by using consistent assumptions about time, gravity, expansion rates, etc.

"Explosion" also isn't a good description of the big bang at all. The model as best I can tell would be more accurately understood as a balloon blowing up with the universe lying on a very thin surface than a grenade.

Most people do not know that time can be slowed by gravity. http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/2010/feb/17/gravitys-effect-on-time-confirmed

So.. the assumptions of uniformitarianism when looking at the creation of the universe are not certain. What if the expansion of the universe was not smooth? What if for part of the universe's history it was pocked by many more "black holes" than we see now? My understand is that would cause the universe to look much, much older than it is when you assume a steady expansion... which isn't even particularly reasonable.

The good thing is, NONE of this age of creation stuff matters with respect to my being accepted by my creator. The ONLY thing that matters as far as my acceptance by him, is DO I ACCEPT Him?
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Perhaps not cosmology. But Jesus referenced a literal Adam and Eve as did Paul. Paul in Romans 5 linked a literal Adam to Jesus... and ultimately to His payment for sin.

I would agree that Bishop Ussher's dating is suspect. I would probably be more in line with Hugh Ross on the age of creation.
 
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I post about Butch and his chaplain, go away for a couple hours and then come back to find Billy Graham Jr. vs Bill Maher has broke out.
 
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Question to - well both sides I guess - do you believe in ghosts, spirits, hauntings, demons, or whatever you want to call them, etc, etc?

Or is every person that experiences an "event" just crazy, hallucinating, or whatever label you want to come up with?

Or is every "event" explainable? Because I have a couple that I can't explain yet.
 
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Berry4Heisman14 said:
You could say something similar for Christians. Why do some Christians notice I said SOME feel the need to force their beliefs on everyone? Is it bc they're not positive their beliefs are true? Does making other people believe help reinforce what they believe? It's a double edged sword in the end we should let everyone believe whatever they want and leave it at that. Atheists too just let people believe whatever.
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If I truly believe that Jesus is the Son of God and offers salvation for all, then it would be very un-Christian not to share or even try to compel non believers into believing in Christ too. The key is to do it out of care for another person's eternity, not to win a theological argument.

Those of us who are believers should take the opportunity to share with others what Christ has done in our lives, and leave the long term impact of that story on someone else up to God. We can never argue someone to Christ.
 
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Berry4Heisman14 said:
Not everyone believes in the word of your God therefore it's spewing garbage just like if an atheist was trying to justify himself to a Christian he would be spewing garbage. Maybe you should try being open minded
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Nope. The source of the "spew garbage" verbiage I responded to used those words as an insult to the Spirit of Grace. That argument you used is invalid because it's fallacious as a non-sequitur. Just because not everyone believes in something doesn't make the word of God garbage.

He who doesn't believe has condemned himself already (John 3:18). I'm incredibly open-minded. Any other accusation against me just falls to the ground like that one did (Isaiah 54:17).
 
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sjt18 said:
I think I know what you're saying... You're saying that it is uncertain, right?

Believers in ToE don't look at it that way. They look at it like people in operational sciences look at the "theory" of relativity. As something that while it cannot be absolutely proven nonetheless must be used to explain a whole branch of science.
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Brand new discovery about actually detecting relativistic gravitational waves propagated by the collision of two black holes arriving at earth as light from the colliding black holes does confirms Einstein relativity.

A test had been set up in two locations to measure the relativistically expected effects of gravity waves. It happened as predicted by Einstein.

http://www.ubspectrum.com:8080/article/2016/02/einsteins-theory-of-relativity

So you must find a new simile for the ToE example.
 
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Orangedogsrule said:
Brand new discovery about actually detecting relativistic gravitational waves propagated by the collision of two black holes arriving at earth as light from the colliding black holes does confirms Einstein relativity.

A test had been set up in two locations to measure the relativistically expected effects of gravity waves. It happened as predicted by Einstein.

http://www.ubspectrum.com:8080/article/2016/02/einsteins-theory-of-relativity

So you must find a new simile for the ToE example.
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That's interesting. Is it confirmed in a more authoritative publication?

As late as just a few years ago, I read there were competing theorists feverishly working on the verge of displacing much of what Einstein proposed.
 
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fade route said:
If I truly believe that Jesus is the Son of God and offers salvation for all, then it would be very un-Christian not to share or even try to compel non believers into believing in Christ too. The key is to do it out of care for another person's eternity, not to win a theological argument.

Those of us who are believers should take the opportunity to share with others what Christ has done in our lives, and leave the long term impact of that story on someone else up to God. We can never argue someone to Christ.
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Alright well when someone says they're not interested i hope you have the sympathy to lay off. Trying to compel us makes us hate religion it honestly only makes most of us more atheist. I kmow you're trying to do what's a good deed in your eyes but not everyone is interested that's all I'm saying
 
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OneVolNation said:
Nope. The source of the "spew garbage" verbiage I responded to used those words as an insult to the Spirit of Grace. That argument you used is invalid because it's fallacious as a non-sequitur. Just because not everyone believes in something doesn't make the word of God garbage.

He who doesn't believe has condemned himself already (John 3:18). I'm incredibly open-minded. Any other accusation against me just falls to the ground like that one did (Isaiah 54:17).
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I never said your word of God was garbage. I said your criticism of his post was garbage. An atheist can make a post like his and he gets blasted meanwhile you make a post insulting his beliefs and somehow that's okay. That's typically how yall work though can't say I'm very surprised
 
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bray2milton said:
Don't believe in magic. To those that do. That is your opinion. I've always viewed religion as a crutch used by people to make the bad things they do seem ok because God forgives them. If believing in something that is rationally and scientifically impossible floats your boat good for you.
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Many, many scientists, brilliant ones, are believers.

Christianity is rational (C.S. Lewis 'Mere Christianity') and the argument about "it's not science" while true, is not a justification for choosing not to further explore faith in a creator. Far too many scientists have. About half of them are believers.
 
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Orangedogsrule said:
Many, many scientists, brilliant ones, are believers.

Christianity is rational (C.S. Lewis 'Mere Christianity') and the argument about "it's not science" while true, is not a justification for choosing not to further explore faith in a creator. Far too many scientists have. About half of them are believers.
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Link?
 
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Berry4Heisman14 said:
I wouldn't put much credit in what he's saying Christians like to pretend Einstein was a believer too when he in fact was not
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They just can't deal with a person who doesn't conform to their belief. I don't believe and it bothers them. They believe and I could care less. It is whatever makes you happy in my opinion.
 
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As long as all student athletes are allowed to worship whatever way they would like without scorn, ridicule, or favoritism from the Athletic Department, then really I don't care what their religious practices are, including Butch and coaches.

Many could learn to be more respectful, including Christians, atheists, etc. in this forum. No need to bash each other. Also, morality is not a symptom of a specific religion, but the aggregate of beliefs across human history and cultures.

From your friendly neighborhood Buddhist/atheist/former Catholic.
 
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I encourage everyone to read I dont have enough faith to be a atheist.


And for any husband to listen to lionhearted and lamblike by john piper
 
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Berry4Heisman14 said:
I never said your word of God was garbage. I said your criticism of his post was garbage. An atheist can make a post like his and he gets blasted meanwhile you make a post insulting his beliefs and somehow that's okay. That's typically how yall work though can't say I'm very surprised
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He first made the purposefully insulting and erroneous post. I corrected the error. Saying "oh he got blasted for his beliefs but you can't" is hogwash because he was the one doing the blasting of others' beliefs for which he was corrected. If you have a problem with someone blasting so-called belief then take it up with your atheist buddy who is the one who did that.
 
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Thanks for posting this article. Tim is an incredible man of God that works tirelessly to impact people's lives in a positive way. The players, or any one else who comes in contact with him, do not have to believe in the message that Tim lives out in his day to day life, but I guarantee he will impact their lives in a positive way. As a Christian myself, I hope that they do but I know that the impact Tim has will be felt regardless.
 
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