Butch Jones out to spark a renaissance at Tennessee - SI.com

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Oskie Volum said:
Again your reading comp, your hatred, temper, whateves made you look stupid to me. Let me tell u something bud...by reading your comments I'm certain mine just go right over your head.

Please for the your own sake...stop responding to me. You r just looking like a fool to me cause you just aren't understanding what I'm saying. I tried to dumb it down with you in mind, but I can't any further. My mind just doesn't sink that low.
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Come on "Bubba" Oskie, your comments wouldn't go over anyone's head, you don't have the ability or vocabulary to dumb anything down, and if anyone looks stupid on this forum (anyone is all inclusive) it is you, by virtue of all of your comments on "ANY" subject, especially college athletics, and no one can understand your convoluted statements.
 
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VolMaster14 said:
I think back to the way I supported Dooley and now seeing the way Butch has done things in such a small amount of time, well...I'm sorry everyone!!



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I apologize as well. I did get off after the MS ST game last year.
 
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Cyclopskiller said:
"no'one is more impatient than me, I want to win, and I want to win now"

-CBJ

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How old are you eye be 51 when season rolls around not to good of health like you eye like to see at least one more NC before they shovel dirt on me, my patients are thin but im behind coach Jones all the way.:rock:
 
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I seem to remember Dooley making similar statements in "Year Zero". I liked him right away and thought that things would work out better for the Vols under Derek than they did. I like Butch, too. The difference between the two for me is that Butch seems to have more 'football mojo' than Dooley. I think that's going to work out well for the Vols and for Jones. Butch is starting to grow on me. I just hope it's not a growth that will have to be removed after 3 short years.
 
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Is someone seriously defending the worst coach in UT history when we could be talking about how Jones is already repairing all the things that said coach destroyed in his time here? I'm told to move on from hating the idiot on here all the time, so why must we have people who keep defending him?
 
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Special Ed said:
I seem to remember Dooley making similar statements in "Year Zero". I liked him right away and thought that things would work out better for the Vols under Derek than they did. I like Butch, too. The difference between the two for me is that Butch seems to have more 'football mojo' than Dooley. I think that's going to work out well for the Vols and for Jones. Butch is starting to grow on me. I just hope it's not a growth that will have to be removed after 3 short years.
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This mojo is what Pedro Cerrano would like to refer to as "marbles, Dooley had no marbles"
 
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92volalum said:
Good read but a big test of will is the ga game. Probably a packed house n he will have lost to fla n ducks n first big home game.

If that game gets out of control n he looks up n second half n a mass exit of fans how does he keep focused n keep team motivated..


He has never watched 100k fans walk out on him.. It will be interesting for sure.
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I would say that in a game like that, at home, where we will be the underdogs with a 2 - 2 record, that he will pull out all of the stops to get the win. We need momentum for the next 7 games and a win at home against UGA will give us the momentum.

Reverses, fake reverses, flea flickers, etc. etc. anything goes.....
 
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Oskie Volum said:
Would u exude a high level of confidence when the fan base wanted me fired all season, and my boss never came out and tried to simmer down the Gruden with his support?? (ie support like USCs AD gave Kiffin after ucla game, and its no secret the AD doesn't like him)

Btw - the program was in the crapper way before I got here. I was just the first plumber hired to come out and fix it. The job was to big for me to get fix before my shift was done, but I got some of it fixed/cleaned up while here. But I was also able to find all/most of the issues (hopefully), and lay them out for the next guy to take in consideration when its his turn to fix.

Of course all the credit goes to the 2nd guy and that's just the way life is. Anyone that has had a job in sales knows how that is. Ie spending an hour with a lady and her needing to talk to her husband...she does and comes back while u are on lunch and another guy rings her up and gets the credit on his #s. Doesn't mean the first guy was a bad sales guy just couldn't get over some key obstacles to seal it up.

Just imo of course....
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So many posters on this thread that defended Dools well into last season. Then when the "negavols" were proven right, they turn around and act all indignant against him. Pathetic.

SpecialEd is right - same song second verse (or third or fourth) when it comes to words. He is winning the press conferences and interviews. He seems to be doing the things a good head coach does. The difference that I can see is that Jones is a real football coach - not the doofus hybrid that delayed the recovery of the program for three years. There is no let up in the belief by him or his staff that they have a system that will win a national championship and is not building up excuses with Year Zero stuff. They all seem to be on the same page as a staff and many of the players seem to have bought in. I am encouraged that the team and coaches will not beat themselves like the previous 3 teams/staffs did. However, I still have no clue as to whether they can compete with the top 5 teams in the SEC, which hasn't happened since 2007.

So until they hit the field and play, it's all assumptions and talk. Glad to hear it, but not going to place much value on it.
 
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Vols4us said:
So many posters on this thread that defended Dools well into last season. Then when the "negavols" were proven right, they turn around and act all indignant against him. Pathetic.

SpecialEd is right - same song second verse (or third or fourth) when it comes to words. He is winning the press conferences and interviews. He seems to be doing the things a good head coach does. The difference that I can see is that Jones is a real football coach - not the doofus hybrid that delayed the recovery of the program for three years. There is no let up in the belief by him or his staff that they have a system that will win a national championship and is not building up excuses with Year Zero stuff. They all seem to be on the same page as a staff and many of the players seem to have bought in. I am encouraged that the team and coaches will not beat themselves like the previous 3 teams/staffs did. However, I still have no clue as to whether they can compete with the top 5 teams in the SEC, which hasn't happened since 2007.

So until they hit the field and play, it's all assumptions and talk. Glad to hear it, but not going to place much value on it.
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I think you see a lot of people that took a "wait and see", "give him time" approach. We defended his right to have the time to turn things around. In my humble opinion, that was a reasonable approach at the time.

We waited. We saw. It's clear now. Case closed, next coach. Give him time. Wait and see. Support him until he has given enough reason not to. Hope that he doesn't give reason to stop supporting him.

Again, this will be a reasonable approach.
 
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oskie volum
Difference in you and I is that I don't think he was given the oppurtunity to show if he was the man for the job.

What ? Im glad you are not the AD.
Dooley should of never been hired period.Former players didnt like him.recruits didnt like him.Area High school coaches didnt like him.There is no proof that Dooley was ever going to get the job done here.He was a loser when he was hired and left Tn as a loser.Name one thing Dooley did here that gave you hope that he was going to turn things around at Tn.
 
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tnvols72 said:
oskie volum
Difference in you and I is that I don't think he was given the oppurtunity to show if he was the man for the job.

What ? Im glad you are not the AD.
Dooley should of never been hired period.Former players didnt like him.recruits didnt like him.Area High school coaches didnt like him.There is no proof that Dooley was ever going to get the job done here.He was a loser when he was hired and left Tn as a loser.Name one thing Dooley did here that gave you hope that he was going to turn things around at Tn.
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Why dont the FREAK ban that name on here, every time I hear that name I get sick, if you post that name be banned for 1 week second time one year third time banned for life.:eek:hmy:
 
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tnvols72 said:
oskie volum
Difference in you and I is that I don't think he was given the oppurtunity to show if he was the man for the job.

What ? Im glad you are not the AD.
Dooley should of never been hired period.Former players didnt like him.recruits didnt like him.Area High school coaches didnt like him.There is no proof that Dooley was ever going to get the job done here.He was a loser when he was hired and left Tn as a loser.Name one thing Dooley did here that gave you hope that he was going to turn things around at Tn.
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I was hopeful with CDD and encouraged people to support him until he showed he couldn't do it. He did many things that made me hopeful.

The V4L program.
Promoting character and integrity in the team.
The "almost-upset" at LSU.
He was smart, well spoken, and witty.
He seemed to have a system.

In the end, he proved that he wasn't the man to do it, and the job was too big for him. That's easy to read back into things with 20/20 hindsight. But he was the UT HFC and needed our support.

Now, as more and more comes out (recruiting failures, burned bridges, prickish personality, coach/player interrelationships, etc...) we see some of the reasons why he failed. But in real time, supporting him through the rebuild was the best option any of us had.

terrypedigo said:
Why dont the FREAK ban that name on here, every time I hear that name I get sick, if you post that name be banned for 1 week second time one year third time banned for life.:eek:hmy:
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Dooley
Dooley
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Dooley

Kiffin

Dooley
Dooley
Dooley
Dooley


Kiffin

Dooley
Dooley

Orgeron

Sanders


(Lifetime, perma ban... lol)
 
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Orange_Crush said:
I was hopeful with CDD and encouraged people to support him until he showed he couldn't do it. He did many things that made me hopeful.

The V4L program.
Promoting character and integrity in the team.
The "almost-upset" at LSU.
He was smart, well spoken, and witty.
He seemed to have a system.

In the end, he proved that he wasn't the man to do it, and the job was too big for him. That's easy to read back into things with 20/20 hindsight. But he was the UT HFC and needed our support.

Now, as more and more comes out (recruiting failures, burned bridges, prickish personality, coach/player interrelationships, etc...) we see some of the reasons why he failed. But in real time, supporting him through the rebuild was the best option any of us had.



Dooley
Dooley
Dooley
Dooley

Kiffin

Dooley
Dooley
Dooley
Dooley


Kiffin

Dooley
Dooley

Orgeron

Sanders


(Lifetime, perma ban... lol)
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Hey, you forgot Fulmer!

jk

As for your post, I agree. We as fans must stand behind and support whomever the HFC is. Whether we think they can get the job done or not. Support them until they prove different. I am excited about CBJ and what he is working now. Really looking forward to seeing the results. I believe we will see a much improved team and play.
 
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I understand all yalls pov, but I disagree. Especially with the level of blame on the guy. If Kiffin is better than Dooley than we will never agree. So many look at I as only black and white with no grey areas. Stating cause and effect doesn't mean u are making excuses. Again some will agree and some won't and that is life.

At the end of the day I put my opinion out there and I haven't changed my tune. I'm confident in my pov and trust me I've gotten into enough arguments over it that all I see is the same arguments over and over. So yall can come after me or frankly ask me to clear certain things up so u can understand my pov. Cause frankly I haven't seen a single response that has even come close to be able to see it from my side, and then argue against it that way. I can at least respect that.

Dooley is apart of UT history so u can't remove him. If u think he was worse than kiffin we will not agree on anything so is what it is. For all the stories of people not liking him there are same amount at the least of people who do. People just like to use the negative and act like there are no positive. Be objective that's all. Otherwise its just not a good discussion imo.
 
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Oskie Volum said:
I understand all yalls pov, but I disagree. Especially with the level of blame on the guy. If Kiffin is better than Dooley than we will never agree. So many look at I as only black and white with no grey areas. Stating cause and effect doesn't mean u are making excuses. Again some will agree and some won't and that is life.

At the end of the day I put my opinion out there and I haven't changed my tune. I'm confident in my pov and trust me I've gotten into enough arguments over it that all I see is the same arguments over and over. So yall can come after me or frankly ask me to clear certain things up so u can understand my pov. Cause frankly I haven't seen a single response that has even come close to be able to see it from my side, and then argue against it that way. I can at least respect that.

Dooley is apart of UT history so u can't remove him. If u think he was worse than kiffin we will not agree on anything so is what it is. For all the stories of people not liking him there are same amount at the least of people who do. People just like to use the negative and act like there are no positive. Be objective that's all. Otherwise its just not a good discussion imo.
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Good Gosh Oskie, are you still fighting this same argument in this same thread. You do not sway on your opinion I will give you that liked Dooley too and really thought he may be a good coach. He proved me wrong. I have moved on. You should support our current Coach until he proves us wrong as well. He is currently doing a lot more for the school I love then any other head coach is.
 
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Oskie Volum said:
I understand all yalls pov, but I disagree. Especially with the level of blame on the guy. If Kiffin is better than Dooley than we will never agree. So many look at I as only black and white with no grey areas. Stating cause and effect doesn't mean u are making excuses. Again some will agree and some won't and that is life.

At the end of the day I put my opinion out there and I haven't changed my tune. I'm confident in my pov and trust me I've gotten into enough arguments over it that all I see is the same arguments over and over. So yall can come after me or frankly ask me to clear certain things up so u can understand my pov. Cause frankly I haven't seen a single response that has even come close to be able to see it from my side, and then argue against it that way. I can at least respect that.

Dooley is apart of UT history so u can't remove him. If u think he was worse than kiffin we will not agree on anything so is what it is. For all the stories of people not liking him there are same amount at the least of people who do. People just like to use the negative and act like there are no positive. Be objective that's all. Otherwise its just not a good discussion imo.
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You are right , Dooley is apart of History and none of it is positive. I'm not saying Dooley is better than Kiffin because to be honest he sucked to.
I don't know where you get the same amount of people that dislike Dooley there is just as many that does. I know he had his followers but its hard to find them now.
 
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I am far from a Kiffin fan. I think he proved to be terrible for the program. He was shady. He was brash. He proved to be not what this program needed.

But for comparison's sake:

When Kiffin left, fans burned mattresses..

If Dooley had stayed, they would have burned mattresses.

Just something to think about.
 
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