Butch Jones Show

[vols461]

Was going to ask if he said that. That would have been it.

I agree. I would have threw my remote through the tv.
I understand this is a major rebuilding project and it is going to take time. Be patient VN.

 

[DeepSpringsVol]

talk bad about coach jones if you want but he owned it, said it was unacceptable, it would take time and it is what it is. was glad the players didn't quit. etc

the thing I appreciated was I didn't have to listen to any cute sayings about germans, hotsauce or any of the other duma$$ DD sayings. he also didn't throw any players under the bus.

Thank you! I am thumbs upping this one!

 

[tennrich1]

I never knew we had so many teenage girls following us as fans that reading these post on here it is very evident..... And this stuff is so predictable.... If you cannot figure out what happened yesterday with all the things already stated above then I suggest you take two weeks off and then quit.....funny!!'

 

[armchair]

Butch just needs time to wash the stink of Dooley off these players.

this debacle on Dooley. Dooley didn't exactly inherit a good situation either. You apparently have forgotten that.

 

[MurfVol]

Did he say why he didn't opt to go for some of those 4th and shorts?

If he had gone on 4th they would have scored a 100 on us

 

[CNCVol88]

this debacle on Dooley. Dooley didn't exactly inherit a good situation either. You apparently have forgotten that.

The kids at the time at least knew what it was like to win against a ranked opponent.

 

[TGVol]

The kids at the time at least knew what it was like to win against a ranked opponent.

Didn't we also win against ranked opponent last year (or was NC State not ranked)?

 

[volmanbill]

Didn't we also win against ranked opponent last year (or was NC State not ranked)?

Not ranked.

 

[TNHopeful505]

I'm just worried how the current players interpret this statement. On the one hand he says I love this guys and trust them while at the same time says this about recruiting. It's the timing of when he said it that bothers me (right after the blowout while answering questions about this specific game as if implying that coaching and game plan was ok but there is only so much coaches can do with these players). I agree that players may not be talented enough but there was also evidence yesterday that the coaches may be in over their head as well (this is no longer Cincy or Central Michigan and who knows if these coaches have what it takes - sure did not look like it yesterday).

Okay, seriously? Are you freaking kidding me?

You walk into a situation where you have the following:

4 QBs who have nearly no experience whatsoever, 4 QBs who none of the home state teams offered, and 3 QBs who had never taken a snap, and 2 QBs who last year were playing high school. Not knocking the QBs, but that's what it is.

5 RBs (Lane, Hill, Neal, Smith, Summerhill), only two of which had taken any meaningful snaps. Neal is a senior who was injured most of last season, and Lane was not present for most of spring practice. Smith had no experience, Hill had no experience, Summerhill had no experience. Pickett would have helped, but he doesn't get to plan on him either.

Your 3 best WR went to the draft (Hunter, Rogers, Patterson). Therefore, you're left with Dallas, who had 9 receptions in 12 games in his career. You have Drae Bowles who has not had a single snap, nor did Jason Croom, who was coming off of a redshirt and injury. Pig Howard has done well this year, but was not a big part of the offense last year, so it was a unknown if he would be able to take a leadership role. Devrin Young moved to WR this year, but of course, he's now injured. Johnathan Johnson was a solid addition by Butch at the last minute, but of course, he too is now injured. Paul Harris has yet to be seen, except for one catch. North has been as good as advertised, but the point is, zero experience at WR, and nearly all of the "experience" is hurt right now or brand new at the position.

Your best TE was drafted (Rivera), and you're left with a Volleyball player who is still learning football at this level, a guy who can't stay healthy since he's been there (Meredith), a true freshman in Branisel, and then Brendan Downs, who has performed pretty well, having 2 TDs already. Also very unexperienced at TE.

Your OL is the one thing you can seemingly rely on, but outside of that front 5, that still can't seem to get a nasty streak about them, everyone else is unexperienced as well. We saw that full well in the AP game.

Your DL is now hurt with the loss of Mo Couch, something that you didn't have a thing to do with. You've lost Vereen for a few games, Smith was out for 2 weeks, and you're having to rely on true freshmen like Jaylen Miller and Jason Carr. Saulsberry has stepped up, but apparently he's banged up now too. You're most likely pleased with D-line, but the ones who should be making a difference aren't, and you aren't in the backfield as nearly as you'd like to be.

Your LBs were hurt when Maggitt wasn't 100%, and still isn't. Not sure when he'll be back. Johnson has sucked in pass coverage, which has allowed you to get burnt across the middle, since he's a good run stopper, and teams are going to the passing game. Sapp got banged up yesterday, and Christian Harris and John Propst just aren't SEC caliber linebackers at this point.

Your secondary is a pretty talented group, but not deep either. You have a sophomore starting in McNeil, a Freshman starting in Sutton, the JUCO you brought in to help in Jones is hurt, and you're having to rely on walk-ons and true freshmen to bear the load. Thankfully, Coleman and Randolph are playing well, and Sutton is a pretty awesome prospect, but you still don't have the 2 deep you'd like to have to run a hurry up offense (meaning your D will be on the field more).

Palardy has done a great job at special teams, but he's having to wear himself out doing it all. When your offense can't extend drives, they're not just killing the defense, they're killing Palardy as well.

Vincent Dallas has done a good job returning, no qualms about him.


So, given all of that, you tell me how Butch Jones is in over his head, when half of his recruiting class wasn't even his, when 1/3 of his team had never made a road trip before, and how he played the freaking #2 best team in the country on the road.

Just idiotic to say. After one big game, that NOBODY sincerely thought we had a chance of winning.

We have no depth. No speed. And we have a senior class who has been through 4 different coordinators and 3 different head coaches.

Give me a break. This board is amazingly ridiculous.

 

[Gannon Goodson]

Has to go back and watch the film.

 

[volswillrise12]

Okay, seriously? Are you freaking kidding me?

You walk into a situation where you have the following:

4 QBs who have nearly no experience whatsoever, 4 QBs who none of the home state teams did not want, and 3 QBs who had never taken a snap, and 2 QBs who last year were playing high school. Not knocking the QBs, but that's what it is.

5 RBs (Lane, Hill, Neal, Smith, Summerhill), only two of which had taken any meaningful snaps. Neal is a senior who was injured most of last season, and Lane was not present for most of spring practice. Smith had no experience, Hill had no experience, Summerhill had no experience. Pickett would have helped, but he doesn't get to plan on him either.

Your 3 best WR went to the draft (Hunter, Rogers, Patterson). Therefore, you're left with Dallas, who had 9 receptions in 12 games in his career. You have Drae Bowles who has not had a single snap, nor did Jason Croom, who was coming off of a redshirt and injury. Pig Howard has done well this year, but was not a big part of the offense last year, so it was a unknown if he would be able to take a leadership role. Devrin Young moved to WR this year, but of course, he's now injured. Johnathan Johnson was a solid addition by Butch at the last minute, but of course, he too is now injured. Paul Harris has yet to be seen, except for one catch. North has been as good as advertised, but the point is, zero experience at WR, and nearly all of the "experience" is hurt right now or brand new at the position.

Your best TE was drafted (Rivera), and you're left with a Volleyball player who is still learning football at this level, a guy who can't stay healthy since he's been there (Meredith), a true freshman in Branisel, and then Brendan Downs, who has performed pretty well, having 2 TDs already. Also very unexperienced at TE.

Your OL is the one thing you can seemingly rely on, but outside of that front 5, that still can't seem to get a nasty streak about them, everyone else is unexperienced as well. We saw that full well in the AP game.

Your DL is now hurt with the loss of Mo Couch, something that you didn't have a thing to do with. You've lost Vereen for a few games, Smith was out for 2 weeks, and you're having to rely on true freshmen like Jaylen Miller and Jason Carr. Saulsberry has stepped up, but apparently he's banged up now too. You're most likely pleased with D-line, but the ones who should be making a difference aren't, and you aren't in the backfield as nearly as you'd like to be.

Your LBs were hurt when Maggitt wasn't 100%, and still isn't. Not sure when he'll be back. Johnson has sucked in pass coverage, which has allowed you to get burnt across the middle, since he's a good run stopper, and teams are going to the passing game. Sapp got banged up yesterday, and Christian Harris and John Propst just aren't SEC caliber linebackers at this point.

Your secondary is a pretty talented group, but not deep either. You have a sophomore starting in McNeil, a Freshman starting in Sutton, the JUCO you brought in to help in Jones is hurt, and you're having to rely on walk-ons and true freshmen to bear the load. Thankfully, Coleman and Randolph are playing well, and Sutton is a pretty awesome prospect, but you still don't have the 2 deep you'd like to have to run a hurry up offense (meaning your D will be on the field more).

Palardy has done a great job at special teams, but he's having to wear himself out doing it all. When your offense can't extend drives, they're not just killing the defense, they're killing Palardy as well.

Vincent Dallas has done a good job returning, no qualms about him.


So, given all of that, you tell me how Butch Jones is in over his head, when half of his recruiting class wasn't even his, when 1/3 of his team had never made a road trip before, and how he played the freaking #2 best team in the country on the road.

Just idiotic to say. After one big game, that NOBODY sincerely thought we had a chance of winning.

We have no depth. No speed. And we have a senior class who has been through 4 different coordinators and 3 different head coaches.

Give me a break. This board is amazingly ridiculous.

Agree 100% I think some of our fanbase would prefer not to hear this but just because you hire a new coach and a new staff doesn't mean all the problems with this roster are going to be purged. I think all the deficiencies on this team and roster are all very clear. Do I believe we've improved coaching wise and staff wise? Absolutely but you can't make a talent problem go away with a new coaching hire. You can't make a depth problem go away with a new coaching hire. You certainly can't blame Butch Jones for this---this is the roster that's been given to him due to other failed hires and bad experiments in the AD. I'd love all those star gazers to pop up now and give us the lecture on how we "on paper compare star-wise with Oregon" I haven't seen one of those moronic threads pop up yet. Oh yeah we know why don't we?

 

[TNHopeful505]

Agree 100% I think some of our fanbase would prefer not to hear this but just because you hire a new coach and a new staff doesn't mean all the problems with this roster are going to be purged. I think all the deficiencies on this team and roster are all very clear. Do I believe we've improved coaching wise and staff wise? Absolutely but you can't make a talent problem go away with a new coaching hire. You can't make a depth problem to away with a new coaching hire. You certainly can't blame Butch Jones for this---this is the roster that's been given to him due to other failed hires and bad experiments in the AD. I'd love all those star gazers to pop up now and give us the lecture on how we "on paper compare star-wise with Oregon" I haven't seen one of those moronic threads pop up yet. Oh yeah we know why don't we?

Exactly. And he is doing a good job on fixing it. He brought in Johnathan Johnson, who has been a good WR for us. Josh Smith was a '13 recruit who is doing well for us. Cameron Sutton was '13 recruit who is playing excellent for a freshman. North has been great. I mean, the players he has brought in are playing and are doing well for the most part. It's a young roster.

Next year, he's already done well about adding some amazing secondary players like TKJr, McDowell, Payne, Gaulden, and Moseley. We needed depth in secondary, we're getting some. Those 5 have awesome ball skills and speed. Not to mention, the Berry twins and Adoree Jackson COULD be a part of that.

In the linebacker position, we're having to rely on John Propst and Christian Harris, but next year, we'll bring in JUCO Chris Weatherd to go along with A.J. and Curt, and then of course, Bates, Mouhon, Bryant, Dews, and possibly Clifton Garrett, who knows?

In the DL, bringing in a JUCO Lambert, plus Joe Henderson, and possibly McDowdell and Dewayne Hendrix, along with Charles Mosley and Derek Barnett.

So we're drastically improving depth on defense.

And then on offense, yesterday, you saw a ton of playmakers who had speed just go to town when they got the ball. Any offensive player on the field was a threat to make a play.

Well, look at what we've got.

5* Hurd, who will be 100% in January-Feb, who will be on campus as an EE, and who will have 8 months in the S&C program.

Treyvon Paulk, who is having a good year so far, and who will get some carries after a year or so.

Dominique Booth, Eric Lauderdale, Kameel Jackson, Vic Wharton, and Neiko Creamer are all solid receivers. Not to mention, Josh Malone is still on the board.

Helm is one of the best TE in the country, and Wolf is solid too.

Brown, Thomas, and Raulerson on the OL, all three of which are 6'5'' and above.


Butch is doing a good job in building towards the future. The key is keeping them in. If not for the attrition of the past 4 years, we'd be fine. But it's amazing when you realize the players that SHOULD be on this team that aren't for whatever reasons. Tennessee football would be alot different if they stayed. We're playing with a decimated roster, and a young one at that. Give it time. It will be okay.

 

[Freak]

Okay, seriously? Are you freaking kidding me?

You walk into a situation where you have the following:

4 QBs who have nearly no experience whatsoever, 4 QBs who none of the home state teams offered, and 3 QBs who had never taken a snap, and 2 QBs who last year were playing high school. Not knocking the QBs, but that's what it is.

5 RBs (Lane, Hill, Neal, Smith, Summerhill), only two of which had taken any meaningful snaps. Neal is a senior who was injured most of last season, and Lane was not present for most of spring practice. Smith had no experience, Hill had no experience, Summerhill had no experience. Pickett would have helped, but he doesn't get to plan on him either.

Your 3 best WR went to the draft (Hunter, Rogers, Patterson). Therefore, you're left with Dallas, who had 9 receptions in 12 games in his career. You have Drae Bowles who has not had a single snap, nor did Jason Croom, who was coming off of a redshirt and injury. Pig Howard has done well this year, but was not a big part of the offense last year, so it was a unknown if he would be able to take a leadership role. Devrin Young moved to WR this year, but of course, he's now injured. Johnathan Johnson was a solid addition by Butch at the last minute, but of course, he too is now injured. Paul Harris has yet to be seen, except for one catch. North has been as good as advertised, but the point is, zero experience at WR, and nearly all of the "experience" is hurt right now or brand new at the position.

Your best TE was drafted (Rivera), and you're left with a Volleyball player who is still learning football at this level, a guy who can't stay healthy since he's been there (Meredith), a true freshman in Branisel, and then Brendan Downs, who has performed pretty well, having 2 TDs already. Also very unexperienced at TE.

Your OL is the one thing you can seemingly rely on, but outside of that front 5, that still can't seem to get a nasty streak about them, everyone else is unexperienced as well. We saw that full well in the AP game.

Your DL is now hurt with the loss of Mo Couch, something that you didn't have a thing to do with. You've lost Vereen for a few games, Smith was out for 2 weeks, and you're having to rely on true freshmen like Jaylen Miller and Jason Carr. Saulsberry has stepped up, but apparently he's banged up now too. You're most likely pleased with D-line, but the ones who should be making a difference aren't, and you aren't in the backfield as nearly as you'd like to be.

Your LBs were hurt when Maggitt wasn't 100%, and still isn't. Not sure when he'll be back. Johnson has sucked in pass coverage, which has allowed you to get burnt across the middle, since he's a good run stopper, and teams are going to the passing game. Sapp got banged up yesterday, and Christian Harris and John Propst just aren't SEC caliber linebackers at this point.

Your secondary is a pretty talented group, but not deep either. You have a sophomore starting in McNeil, a Freshman starting in Sutton, the JUCO you brought in to help in Jones is hurt, and you're having to rely on walk-ons and true freshmen to bear the load. Thankfully, Coleman and Randolph are playing well, and Sutton is a pretty awesome prospect, but you still don't have the 2 deep you'd like to have to run a hurry up offense (meaning your D will be on the field more).

Palardy has done a great job at special teams, but he's having to wear himself out doing it all. When your offense can't extend drives, they're not just killing the defense, they're killing Palardy as well.

Vincent Dallas has done a good job returning, no qualms about him.


So, given all of that, you tell me how Butch Jones is in over his head, when half of his recruiting class wasn't even his, when 1/3 of his team had never made a road trip before, and how he played the freaking #2 best team in the country on the road.

Just idiotic to say. After one big game, that NOBODY sincerely thought we had a chance of winning.

We have no depth. No speed. And we have a senior class who has been through 4 different coordinators and 3 different head coaches.

Give me a break. This board is amazingly ridiculous.

Good post. I was actually going through this in my head this morning and was actually feeling a little sorry for Butch. He doesn't have many options right now.

 

[Wilson27]

delete

 

[TNHopeful505]

Good post. I was actually going through this in my head this morning and was actually feeling a little sorry for Butch. He doesn't have many options right now.

It really has to be his dream job, because when he took it, it was just a down roster, depth wise. When Max Arnold and Jaron Toney are getting snaps, you have issues. No knock on them, but they are/were walk-ons.

At least when Dooley took the job, he had Bray, Hunter, Da'Rick Rogers, Bryce Brown, David Oku, and others on the roster. It wasn't completely decimated.

Butch really doesn't have much to work with. Which is why we have to give him time. Oregon works so well, because they've been doing this for so long, they know exactly what kind of players they want. They make it work. I think we'll get there, but it's going to take time.

 

[Doyle Hargraves]

Good post. I was actually going through this in my head this morning and was actually feeling a little sorry for Butch. He doesn't have many options right now.

The king has spoken!

 

[Freak]

The king has spoken!

Elvis? Where?

 

[Sgt_Nick_Fury]

Butch just needs time to wash the stink of Dooley off these players.

Ya know, When Saban got to Alabama he had a similar situation. Their older players had the defeatist limp too. He finally sent some players packing.... it hurt short term.....but if a guy won't play 4 quarters....I support it.

I don't mind losing against #2 but not playing for 4 quarters is not acceptable.

 

[wuzbam]

Anybody have an idea of what Helfrich said to CBJ during the post game handshake?

 

[VolFan4Life87]

this debacle on Dooley. Dooley didn't exactly inherit a good situation either. You apparently have forgotten that.

These are Dooley's players, players that he and his staff failed to develop. Dooley had his time to recruit and develop a winning culture, bad inheritance or not.

 

[Vol737]

Ya know, When Saban got to Alabama he had a similar situation. Their older players had the defeatist limp too. He finally sent some players packing.... it hurt short term.....but if a guy won't play 4 quarters....I support it.

I don't mind losing against #2 but not playing for 4 quarters is not acceptable.

I agree....and I think Butch will do something about it. It stings and we'll get a couple more of these this season, but this will change and I believe it will change under Butch.

 

[VolFan4Life87]

Ya know, When Saban got to Alabama he had a similar situation. Their older players had the defeatist limp too. He finally sent some players packing.... it hurt short term.....but if a guy won't play 4 quarters....I support it.

I don't mind losing against #2 but not playing for 4 quarters is not acceptable.

Exactly. These guys quit, it seems to be the only thing they know how to consistently do. Quit and lose when the chips aren't stacked in their favor. I completely blame Dooley-Kiffin-Fulmer. Butch can only do so much with players that aren't his.

 

[Fightmaker]

The beauty of a true smokescreen is that no one suspects you are doing it.

So your saying there's a chance?

 

[volfan1231]

Did he say why he didn't opt to go for some of those 4th and shorts?

If you can make it on 3rd and short why the h3ll would you try it on 4th and short? That would be like handing the ball to Oregon and saying "Here start at mid field and score some more..."

 

[volfan1231]

Exactly. These guys quit, it seems to be the only thing they know how to consistently do. Quit and lose when the chips aren't stacked in their favor. I completely blame Dooley-Kiffin-Fulmer. Butch can only do so much with players that aren't his.

### Truth Brother...Finally some common sense