Butch Jones Show

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I MISS KIFFIN!!!!!!! that staff did more with less talent because they were better coaches. He would have had us on probation sure and I am glad he is gone but I miss the part of his staff that got more out of less talent than any coaching staff I have seen in years. And why in the HELL did we punt down 45 points???? LOL!!!!
 
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Since the original poster requested a synopsis of Butch's comments, a point that, I believe, has not been mentioned previously was made at ca. the 30:00 mark of the broadcast, when Butch stated: "We're going to get Tennessee football back [to where it is supposed to be]. I promise you that."

He also stated that he was proud of the fact that the team did not quit, despite the embarrassingly lopsided score, but competed all the way to the end.
 
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Volosaurus rex said:
Since the original poster requested a synopsis of Butch's comments, a point that, I believe, has not been mentioned previously was made at ca. the 30:00 mark of the broadcast, when Butch stated: "We're going to get Tennessee football back [to where it is supposed to be]. I promise you that."

He also stated that he was proud of the fact that the team did not quit, despite the embarrassingly lopsided score, but competed all the way to the end.
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Word. Didn't Saban lose to a crap school his first year? Just saying it takes time minions.
 
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TNHopeful505 said:
I'm not either. But it truly does take a while to build a program to the standards we want. Luckily, we have the resources to do it.

I really think 2014 will be the class that will start the rebuilding. That group of Gaulden, Hurd, TK, Bates, Wharton, Lauderdale, and Helm will be a group that really shines for us.

I just REALLY don't like being patient. As I said in another thread, the worst part is, Dooley left this program worse off than he found it. I thought Dooley had a bad situation when he came in, and a young team. And he did. But he did not consistently recruit players who would stay and make this program better year after year. And so, the same cycle begins again. Only I feel like it's slightly worse this time, because of where our talented players are located. Dooley had playmakers everywhere. We have them nowhere.
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Either way I hope volnation gives CBJ longer than we gave Dooley. 3 years isn't enough especially when the first year isn't usually their players. I think Dooley lost his players and needed to go but still it's not enough time.

I know nobody wants to be patient but we are 4 great recruiting classes away from competing so giving any coach 3 years isn't going to work.

I don't post a lot but most people think I'm a negavol. Saying we will go 5-7 or at best 6-6 isn't negative it's reality. No coach in America can fix that this year or next. I don't see it as accepting mediocrity, it's the process we have to go through because we have Walkons and 2-3 stars fresh and sophs playing against 4-5 star seniors

I'm not a huge CBJ fan but they same folks who are saying "butch gets it" will be the first ones to say fire CBJ in 3 years and that bothers me. We need this coach to be here a while.

Sorry if it sounded preachy. But this has been bothering me with the recent loss an it will get worse when we lose 5 of the next 6 games. I hope I'm wrong but I doubt it.
 
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wags33 said:
I MISS KIFFIN!!!!!!! that staff did more with less talent because they were better coaches. He would have had us on probation sure and I am glad he is gone but I miss the part of his staff that got more out of less talent than any coaching staff I have seen in years. And why in the HELL did we punt down 45 points???? LOL!!!!
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I'm not sure where you feel they got more out of less talent. Crompton was a 5* QB, Hardesty was a good running back, he had just been behind Foster, who is now the leading rushing. G.Jones and D.Mo were great receivers, there was a decent OL and DL, plus we had Eric Berry in the defensive backfield. Fulmer didn't leave the cupboard bare for Kiffin. Fulmer's last class, and Kiffin's class set us way back though.

I will say that Kiffin brought a swagger back to UT football. But the penalties and the lack of respect and class that he earned us was not worth it.

And he's doing way less with considerably more talent. So obviously, he's not an amazing coach. Once the honeymoon was over with Lane, we would have been in deeper doodoo than we already were. Trust me, USC did us a favor.

Butch has brought the same swagger back to UT. But not because he has an "NFL staff," but because it's UT.

And we punted, because our offense might have just handed them the ball on our 40 or 30 yard line if we didn't.
 
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normalfootballfan said:
Either way I hope volnation gives CBJ longer than we gave Dooley. 3 years isn't enough especially when the first year isn't usually their players. I think Dooley lost his players and needed to go but still it's not enough time.

I know nobody wants to be patient but we are 4 great recruiting classes away from competing so giving any coach 3 years isn't going to work.

I don't post a lot but most people think I'm a negavol. Saying we will go 5-7 or at best 6-6 isn't negative it's reality. No coach in America can fix that this year or next. I don't see it as accepting mediocrity, it's the process we have to go through because we have Walkons and 2-3 stars fresh and sophs playing against 4-5 star seniors

I'm not a huge CBJ fan but they same folks who are saying "butch gets it" will be the first ones to say fire CBJ in 3 years and that bothers me. We need this coach to be here a while.

Sorry if it sounded preachy. But this has been bothering me with the recent loss an it will get worse when we lose 5 of the next 6 games. I hope I'm wrong but I doubt it.
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I totally agree with you. We will be able to tell if CBJ will stay here long or not, based on how well his recruiting classes stay around.

If most of the guys in his classes aren't here in a year or two, he'll be gone. If they're still here, then he'll be fine.

The downfall is and has been stability. That's why I like the "family" theme that CBJ is pushing. That's also why I like the in-state pride and connections that he is building. He needs to make sure he doesn't sign academic risks and casualties, and make sure he's selling families on this is where their child needs to be.

We CANNOT have grade issues, eligibility issues, homesickness, drugs, crime, whatever else. It can't happen.

We need kids with good character, and good academics, and who are able to be taught. That's why camps are so important. If a kid can be taught, then if you have 2-3 years with him, he'll be alright, if he's got the athleticism.

Butch just needs time. I think he'll get it. We're not going to make another change for a while.

The 2014 class will stay together. I doubt we lose any of those recruits. They know they are the foundation for what is to come.
 
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Another noteworthy snippet: "I said before the season started that this team will be defined by how resilient we are, how we suffer and manage adversity." (Butch, at the 36:00 mark of the broadcast)
 
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TNHopeful505 said:
I totally agree with you. We will be able to tell if CBJ will stay here long or not, based on how well his recruiting classes stay around.

If most of the guys in his classes aren't here in a year or two, he'll be gone. If they're still here, then he'll be fine.

The downfall is and has been stability. That's why I like the "family" theme that CBJ is pushing. That's also why I like the in-state pride and connections that he is building. He needs to make sure he doesn't sign academic risks and casualties, and make sure he's selling families on this is where their child needs to be.

We CANNOT have grade issues, eligibility issues, homesickness, drugs, crime, whatever else. It can't happen.

We need kids with good character, and good academics, and who are able to be taught. That's why camps are so important. If a kid can be taught, then if you have 2-3 years with him, he'll be alright, if he's got the athleticism.

Butch just needs time. I think he'll get it. We're not going to make another change for a while.

The 2014 class will stay together. I doubt we lose any of those recruits. They know they are the foundation for what is to come.
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I hope your right about our current recruits. We can't afford attrition of any kind any more. And i agree one way to do that is lock down the state like CBJ is doing. Lets just all be patient and focus on auburn mizzou vandy and kent. We need to win three of those to get to a bowl.
 
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I feel just as supportive of the coaches and players after Oregon, and I think that I should show that support by saying that I'm hopping mad at all of them. I don't care how good Oregon is or might be, the Volunteers ought not be showed up like that by anybody. Team 117 is NOT that bad, and I don't want to see them playing so badly...not ever again. They have some good teams in front of them, so they had better get their heads right and get fixed for those fights.
 
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MurfVol said:
If he had gone on 4th they would have scored a 100 on us
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Correct. I don't know why more on here fail to see this. There was possibly one fourth-and-one near mid-field that I wondered about, but my feeling is that had we gone for it the other times, It would have been the most points ever scored on a UT squad.
 
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TNHopeful505 said:
And we punted, because our offense might have just handed them the ball on our 40 or 30 yard line if we didn't.
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I'm not sure how everyone keeps missing the point of this question. Against traditional teams you punt to flip field position with the intent of getting the ball back. The quacks scored on every. single. punt.

With the positives of punting nullified, our best option really would have been gambling on fourth with the chance to extend a drive and let the defense rest...
 
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Anybody who watched the game could tell that Butch really fealt bad for his kids getting man handled out there. I'm just saying we need to get behind CJ and his staff rebuilding the team isn't going to happen over night
 
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KPT_VOL said:
I'm not sure how everyone keeps missing the point of this question. Against traditional teams you punt to flip field position with the intent of getting the ball back. The quacks scored on every. single. punt.

Additionally, with the speed of Oregan's drives, the defense was still unable to rest.

With the positives of punting nullified, our best option really would have been gambling on fourth with the chance to extend a drive...
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That was the point the network commentators kept making and it is one that, in this instance, I completely disagree with. Oregon has the capability to score quickly from anywhere on the field. Do we want to compound that by giving them an even shorter field to work with? Had we done so, there is a decent chance that Oregon might have had 50 points on the board before halftime. As it was, they amassed 450 yards total offense in the first half.
 
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Volosaurus rex said:
That was the point the network commentators kept making and it is one that, in this instance, I completely disagree with. Oregon has the capability to score quickly from anywhere on the field. Do we want to compound that by giving them an even shorter field to work with? Had we done so, there is a decent chance that Oregon might have had 50 points on the board before halftime. As it was, they amassed 450 yards total offense in the first half.
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The point is the length of the field they had to drive made no difference because of their speed. The averaged like two plays to make to, or passed, the yard-line we kicked from.

If they are going to score, and score quickly, whether we punt or not, I would be doing everything possible to keep their offense off the field.
 
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Vol Main said:
I don't care how good Oregon is or might be, the Volunteers ought not be showed up like that by anybody.
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Yep. Raw emotion and pride are always enough to cover a talent, depth, and experience gap that's wider than the Grand Canyon.

BTW, in case you missed it, they are that good. We play that game 50 times and I would be shocked to win one.
 
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Why is it taking them so long to post the Butch Jones Show for Oregon online?
 
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KPT_VOL said:
The point is the length of the field they had to drive made no difference because of their speed. The averaged like two plays to make to, or passed, the yard-line we kicked from.

If they are going to score, and score quickly, whether we punt or not, I would be doing everything possible to keep their offense off the field.
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I tend to agree. Just leave the punter home. They are gonna score regardless. Punting only rests your D like 1.5 minutes. Holding the field on O is the only hope w a thin D like us.

Unfortunately, UO is stacked on D too. That team is not a gimmick. Kelly has likely changed the face of football forever.
 
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