Butch looks down

#151
#151
fact is - Vandy and Auburn should not be above us- but, they are. Butch needs to work harder. On the plus side, USC Trojans had a bad day.
 
#153
#153
EZE said:
"Evidence" of what? Of speculation concerning just signed 18-year-olds who have never stepped on a college field? That, sir, is not evidence, either.
Click to expand...

evidence that our coach recruited this class to the default position - nothing more.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#154
#154
BigPapaVol said:
You're out of your mind. I don't give a crap about rankings. We had needs and addressed almost none of them.

Next year will only matter if it makes our team better. We didn't make it better yesterday.
Click to expand...


We didn't fill a couple of needs, but
-we roll with 5 qb's now and we only had 2 on scholly. 2 elite 11 qb's is a need met and then some.
-we needed wr's badly, and we have a couple of studs. Thats a need met.
-we needed db's and we have 5.
-we filled the need at TE

We needed at least 1 more OL, 1 more rb and more lb's and a couple more dl.

Seems like we filled more needs than we missed, or about even. Not bad for 31 days. Hoped for better, but we had a couple of kids back out that didn't want to rebuild. I didn't realize that this staff signed 8 kids that were committed elsewhere. That number doesn't sound that bad to me.
 
#155
#155
Spartacavolus said:
We didn't fill a couple of needs, but
-we roll with 5 qb's now and we only had 2 on scholly. 2 elite 11 qb's is a need met and then some.
-we needed wr's badly, and we have a couple of studs. Thats a need met.
-we needed db's and we have 5.
-we filled the need at TE

We needed at least 1 more OL, 1 more rb and more lb's and a couple more dl.

Seems like we filled more needs than we missed, or about even. Not bad for 31 days. Hoped for better, but we had a couple of kids back out that didn't want to rebuild. I didn't realize that this staff signed 8 kids that were committed elsewhere. That number doesn't sound that bad to me.
Click to expand...

+1
 
#156
#156
I was very impressed with the fact that Butch looked at how many tardies and absences the recruits had when first evaluating them. I know it may not seem that important and we missed out on the big fish, but we have got a class full of kids who are all good quality kids that will give their all for Tennessee on the field. If Bell, Levenberry, Lawson, Bellamy, etc didn't wanna be here to experience our journey back to the pinnacle of college football, we will move on and win without them. It is their loss and I wish them the best. I'm very optimistic for the upcoming season and near future, because we have a Coach who is willing to bust his tail day in and day out. I'm very proud to be a fan of the Orange and White. Go Vols and let's get ready to shock some people. VFL
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#157
#157
Spartacavolus said:
We didn't fill a couple of needs, but
-we roll with 5 qb's now and we only had 2 on scholly. 2 elite 11 qb's is a need met and then some.
-we needed wr's badly, and we have a couple of studs. Thats a need met.
-we needed db's and we have 5.
-we filled the need at TE

We needed at least 1 more OL, 1 more rb and more lb's and a couple more dl.

Seems like we filled more needs than we missed, or about even. Not bad for 31 days. Hoped for better, but we had a couple of kids back out that didn't want to rebuild. I didn't realize that this staff signed 8 kids that were committed elsewhere. That number doesn't sound that bad to me.
Click to expand...

QBs and WRs were relative strengths
Which DBs will play?
We filled TE with likely redshirts, and that's not a bad thing
We need more than 1 more OL, more than 1RB and more defense across the board - impact defense.

We didn't fill anything to compete in our league, at least on paper.

You can rationalize anything to make yourself feel better, but the stretch to decent from merely passable is one helluva lot further than the stretch from passable to poor.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#158
#158
BigPapaVol said:
QBs and WRs were relative strengths
Which DBs will play?
We filled TE with likely redshirts, and that's not a bad thing
We need more than 1 more OL, more than 1RB and more defense across the board - impact defense.

We didn't fill anything to compete in our league, at least on paper.

You can rationalize anything to make yourself feel better, but the stretch to decent from merely passable is one helluva lot further than the stretch from passable to poor.
Click to expand...


Agree on defense of course. The HC and defensive coaches know how bad our D has been. Martinez mentioned fans across the state talking about our db's lack of playmaking ability and inability to go get the ball.

The only thing I am rationalizing is really more reasoning in that our program is way down and he had 31 recruiting days to compete against the best of the best that have been entrenched for years, and we pulled 8 away and were very close to pulling a couple of more in a short time. The thing I am most confident in is he and the new staff's focus on the state. Coaches have talked about it but were all talk. Pieces are already in place and having such a recruiting focus on areas like mid tn with coaches with relationships here will help build the program back up. That, I am confident in.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#159
#159
oregonvol said:
He should be. But I don't feel bad for him. I feel bad for the fans. We don't get 3 million dollars for losing to the rest of the SEC.
Click to expand...

Olgeron Vol, do everyone a favor and become a Duck "fan". Your whining got old about 1200 posts ago.:lame:
 
#160
#160
JonGrudensAgent said:
If he "can sell anything", it would stand to reason he would have landed just one of the six big time recruits they were in on as recruiting wound down(Lawson, Bell, Bellamy, Boyd, Levenberry, Ford).
Click to expand...

and if he can't sell a revered former player that has a street named after him on a coaching job, how can he sell a high level recruit that has no UT connections?
 
#161
#161
tm3 said:
and if he can't sell a revered former player that has a street named after him on a coaching job, how can he sell a high level recruit that has no UT connections?
Click to expand...



that comment has so many levels of stupidity, there is no use in trying to explain it to someone who would post it.
For future reference, when people don't want to explain something to you, it's because they believe you don't have the mental capacity to understand.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 2 people
#162
#162
Spartacavolus said:
that comment has so many levels of stupidity, there is no use in trying to explain it to someone who would post it.
For future reference, when people don't want to explain something to you, it's because they believe you don't have the mental capacity to understand.
Click to expand...

i can play your game, too.

you are a doo doo head.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#164
#164
oregonvol said:
I said I thought Butch Jones was a winner the day they hired him. I haven't had my head buried in the sand. I was concerned about the staff he hired, but I've said repeatedly that I thought he would get the job done here. That changed today. I don't believe he will ever win a championship here. He hasn't shown me that he's capable of anything special, while coaches like Freeze, Sumlin, Franklin, etc. are improving their programs by leaps and bounds. Not to mention programs like Florida and Alabama who put more distance between themselves and us with every signing day.
Click to expand...

The money you spent on those prick lessons is really paying off!!

You know what? I'm gonna take you up on your offer of putting you on ignore, You are my "ignore cherry" so to speak. Discussion is one thing, hatred of all things Vol related is another. I hope many others will follow and deprive you of the attention you so desperatly seek and end up in douchebag purgatory.:finger3:
 
#167
#167
Sudden Impact said:
Here is my issue.....with recruiting.....the staff......Dooley and Sal stole a recruit last year from CBJ....we let go of HINSAW? Who was an excellent recruiter....never able to secure Tee Martin....used Cincy staff....He can sell UT well....but SEC recruiting requires the entire staff....honeymoon year is over, not a lot room for slippage...better get on a dramatic learning curve.....or we will be talking same ole same ole of near misses.....the Martin thing may have had a greater impact than we know......
Click to expand...

Yes please do tell us how ONE coach who could not keep the kids he had committed to U$C will impact us!!!!! You are a regular football Nostadamus!
 
#168
#168
Spartacavolus said:
Agree on defense of course. The HC and defensive coaches know how bad our D has been. Martinez mentioned fans across the state talking about our db's lack of playmaking ability and inability to go get the ball.

The only thing I am rationalizing is really more reasoning in that our program is way down and he had 31 recruiting days to compete against the best of the best that have been entrenched for years, and we pulled 8 away and were very close to pulling a couple of more in a short time. The thing I am most confident in is he and the new staff's focus on the state. Coaches have talked about it but were all talk. Pieces are already in place and having such a recruiting focus on areas like mid tn with coaches with relationships here will help build the program back up. That, I am confident in.
Click to expand...
AU & OM weren't really long time entrenched staffs. Two months seems like it was long enough to fill more needs. The results and excusemaking really just raise more questions for me. Of the 8 prospects that were turned, how many were turned from SEC schools or traditional powerhouses? Why didn't we win any head to head battles against AU when we hired 2 of their former coaches, one of whom is supposed to be a recruiting superstar? Why couldn't we get a marquee RB given the OL and CJG supposedly being our best recruiter? If the focus is 2014, why haven't they wrapped up any of the bigtime in state prospects and out of state legacies and how long should we wait before we worry if they don't get early commits from those players? Given the 2013 schedule and loss of talent from the Jr class, I don't expect big improvement on the field but I think that by tying on the field success to recruiting success, CBJ is now in a must win position because he will not make it more than 3 years here if next year's class is no better than this year's in terms of filling needs with elite talent that does not need to be coached up. I think we need answers to these questions if there's going to be buy in for giving 'em time.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 2 people
#169
#169
EaglesVols91 said:
What the hell are you talking about? With all this talent we had this year and we only get 1 SEC win?


That SEC win also came after Dooley was canned.
Click to expand...

Smh. I was totally serious. Maybe I should actually type out sarcasm this time because you didn't get it the first time around
 
#170
#170
VolunteerHillbilly said:
AU & OM weren't really long time entrenched staffs. Two months seems like it was long enough to fill more needs. The results and excusemaking really just raise more questions for me. Of the 8 prospects that were turned, how many were turned from SEC schools or traditional powerhouses? Why didn't we win any head to head battles against AU when we hired 2 of their former coaches, one of whom is supposed to be a recruiting superstar? Why couldn't we get a marquee RB given the OL and CJG supposedly being our best recruiter? If the focus is 2014, why haven't they wrapped up any of the bigtime in state prospects and out of state legacies and how long should we wait before we worry if they don't get early commits from those players? Given the 2013 schedule and loss of talent from the Jr class, I don't expect big improvement on the field but I think that by tying on the field success to recruiting success, CBJ is now in a must win position because he will not make it more than 3 years here if next year's class is no better than this year's in terms of filling needs with elite talent that does not need to be coached up. I think we need answers to these questions if there's going to be buy in for giving 'em time.
Click to expand...


Auburn is easier to recruit to than TN. Always will be. Not sure about OM, but we'll see what happens there.
And he's got time. You either roll with it or complain about it along the ride. Another coaching change in the next 3 years is the last thing this program needs.
I do agree on one thing with you. If next years class isn't better than the one he had 31 days to put together after a losing season and complete turnover, I will be concerned.
 
#171
#171
Spartacavolus said:
Auburn is easier to recruit to than TN. Always will be. Not sure about OM, but we'll see what happens there.
And he's got time. You either roll with it or complain about it along the ride. Another coaching change in the next 3 years is the last thing this program needs.
I do agree on one thing with you. If next years class isn't better than the one he had 31 days to put together after a losing season and complete turnover, I will be concerned.
Click to expand...

If you aren't concerned now, you aren't paying enough attention.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 4 people
#173
#173
King Webbsticles said:
I don't think Jones realized what he needed to do to recruit successfully in the SEC. He brought his coaches from cincy, believing that his one or two good recruiters, Thigpen and Graham, could carry the load. He now sees that his best recruiters are akin to the fourth and fifth starters on a baseball team. We need an ace or two to overcome our natural recruiting difficulties.
Click to expand...

Seriously? He had a month. Lets see how he recruits with an entire year to work with. Chill
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
New posts
You must log in or register to reply here.

VN Store



Back
Top